cannabis and meditation experience

[Theeongoingspirt]

I Uste to abuse cannabis and smoke it nearly every day with my mate's but arthter a while I realised I had to stop because it was making me lazy, so I stopped smoking it for a while and now only smoke about once a month and can't smoke it with my friends because it made me paronied around them so I started smoking alone, when I would have a smoke alone i would become very spirtual play some music and go into my own little world thinking about life and come up with some amazing ideas, and my understanding of the universe would come so clear to me I became complete oneness!
I had been doing a lot of meditation and decided to try meditation while under the infulance, I remember I was in a very relaxed state of mind then all the sudden I felt a powerful pressure at the top of my head which I now understand was my crown chakra, I felt a somewhat strong energy reaching out from my head, I could hear spirits talking I believe they were negative energy's as they were horrible and vicious things to me, it's hard to describe but I pushed away from the negative spirits and reached to a higher dimentional being and he seemed to brush me off it said something On the words of you are not chosen, but I straight away said I may not be chosen but I will do my best for the source and share my love along them words, and then another higher being poped into the conversation they were chatting among them selfs and one said to me you are an amazing god and then I felt such bliss from the beings I can't remember what else they said but was a profound experience.
Is this channeling?
   Not much of a story but just thought I would share

[Lookedynamixhales]

I once used cannabis a lot but stopped because in the end it became tedious, now i smoke it monthly or every few weeks. I picked up a nice gramm of blue x cheese and i am going to see what effects that will have on my attempts

[Wapiti]

I was an everyday smoker of cannabis for two years. I ran into some person life problems that needed to be resolved, around the same time I had just discovered astral projection.
I had decided I need to stop my intake of any mind altering substance. I was Sober for 15 days, practicing projection everyday. I had made what i saw as amazing progress, and what really made me believe I did not need these substances to achieve my goals of spirituality. I then started smoking the odd day here and there with friends(However I now keep it in much more control, and much much less often). On nights I would smoke I told myself I did not want to project, because I thought it would interfere with my quest for sober spirituality.
However, I found when i went to bed, I would lay there for no more than 5 minutes, and find myself in a deep sleep paralysis almost instantly. Next thing I knew I had all the classic signs of an OBE exit, high pitched whines, pops. intense vibrations racing heartbeat. Sure enough, I got out.

Up until this point I thought I was right on the edge of an OBE without cannabis. Because of all my practice with sober I found cannabis exponentially increased my capabilities for the astral. Now every night when I go to bed(high, or coming down from cannabis) this same thing happens with ease.

I do not think it is a good idea to merely stick with cannabis in order to experience OBE. Based on what I have experienced and am now practicing, I view cannabis as an extraordinary training tool for any and all types of spirituality. It has the ability to show you these experiences and what to expect from them. From there you are able to(and in my opinion should definitely do so) attempt the same exercises from a sober state of mind. it will be much easier to achieve seeing as your mind is already aware of these experiences, however you are still able to tap into your consciousness from nothing but the power of your own mind, the way I think everyone should know how to do.

I know many users on this board are against cannabis and the use of drugs for these experiences. However such an incredible plant should be experimented with and used as a helping hand, in order to achieve these wonderfully spiritual experiences on ones own.

[Lookedynamixhales]

I am going to try projecting while using cannabis but the main reason i use it is recreationally besides i don't have the want to need to buy it every day ha thanks for sharing though wapiti

[mr_coffee]

I stopped smoking it daily because of how it destroys any attempt of projecting.   I also can't recall any dreams if I smoke at all during the day.  As soon as I stopped smoking for 3 days I had my first complete OBE and the next night I went into the vibration state and almost had another OBE but got too excited to escape my body. 

So I have to pick between my love of weed or my love of OBE's sadly .  Its such a creative substance and will be missed!

[Lookedynamixhales]

I noticed when i smoked alot i would be in such a heavy sleep i could not recall a single dream :\ cannabis is an amazing substance but from what i have experienced out of body is much more enjoyable

[Fairywindblues]

I'll notice that if I smoke any, I just won't have any dreams that night, especially if I had some shortly before falling asleep. I have a theory that cannabis may initiate the production of deep delta waves in our brain. Delta waves are the waves that quiet down brain activity, including the creative aspects. For creativity, you want theta waves and some alpha waves. Gamma are for really high, concentrated tasks. If we produce theta during sleep, we will have dreams. If we produce delta, we will be in too deep a sleep to dream. It's just a theory but considering the facts, it does make sense (in my head), of course, I'm not expert on brain waves.  I've found though, that listening to a theta/alpha binaural beat or isochronic tone right before bed will counteract this. I also find that if I take some melatonin before sleep, my dreams/meditations will be more vivid and will counteract the imagination stunting effects of cannabis. I've been taking melatonin on and off for about three years and I do notice a difference when I do take it. I've read it helps stimulate the pineal gland so I tried it out a few years ago. I got good results.

[Bedeekin]

But... It's amazing creatively. For art. Cannabis I mean. My Avatar was probably done under the influence of it. 

[Fairywindblues]

Oh, yes, it IS sometimes good creatively. I meant, for me personally, it's sometimes not good creatively when trying to meditate or go lucid in OBE. I'll feel like my mind will just go blank when entering deeper forms of meditation during cannabis use. In order for me to phase, I need to be able to see things in clarity. It relaxes me too much, maybe. And when we sleep, a deep dreamless sleep usually means too many delta waves, and that is exactly what I get after taking a nap after smoking cannabis. No visuals, nothing, nada. But this is only when sleeping or trying to meditate. While awake, I will definitely feel the creative influences from it, for sure. I've composed entire songs on cannabis because melodies would just spontaneously start playing in my head and wouldn't shut up until I turned them into music.  

[Bedeekin]

Actually Fairywindblues... I will backtrack. It's great creatively for ideas and concepts.. but it doesn't help in the execution of the creative idea.

While awake, I will definitely feel the creative influences from it, for sure. I've composed entire songs on cannabis because melodies would just spontaneously start playing in my head and wouldn't shut up until I turned them into music. 

and I bet the practical application of turning it into the music is best done not under the influence!!

So really I agree. Because when I used it a lot a while ago.. it would create 'dead' sleep.

[Astralzombie]

I Uste to abuse cannabis and smoke it nearly every day with my mate's but arthter a while I realised I had to stop because it was making me lazy, so I stopped smoking it for a while and now only smoke about once a month and can't smoke it with my friends because it made me paronied around them so I started smoking alone, when I would have a smoke alone i would become very spirtual play some music and go into my own little world thinking about life and come up with some amazing ideas, and my understanding of the universe would come so clear to me I became complete oneness!
I had been doing a lot of meditation and decided to try meditation while under the infulance, I remember I was in a very relaxed state of mind then all the sudden I felt a powerful pressure at the top of my head which I now understand was my crown chakra, I felt a somewhat strong energy reaching out from my head, I could hear spirits talking I believe they were negative energy's as they were horrible and vicious things to me, it's hard to describe but I pushed away from the negative spirits and reached to a higher dimentional being and he seemed to brush me off it said something On the words of you are not chosen, but I straight away said I may not be chosen but I will do my best for the source and share my love along them words, and then another higher being poped into the conversation they were chatting among them selfs and one said to me you are an amazing god and then I felt such bliss from the beings I can't remember what else they said but was a profound experience.
Is this channeling?
   Not much of a story but just thought I would share

Smoking just makes me paranoid unless I'm drinking which renders me useless. But I can recall times that I was able to really relax a few hours later and slow my breathing down bio feedback style.

This experience sounds nothing like channeling to me since channeling usually has a specific target in mind to communicate with. This sounds like a neat experience but for objective purposes, I would have to dismiss it outright due to the cannabis. I'm not saying it didn't occur exactly as you said but the effects of cannabis mirror many things that I associate with OOBE's. Not that I have ever had a visual hallucination from smoking but the sounds appear from nowhere.

[Fairywindblues]

I sometimes will sit and have a talk with myself when on the influence of cannabis.  Hahaha. Sounds so loopy.

I will speak to myself in a dual sort of way. One part of me will be the wise, rational one, and the other will be the ego. We will sit and have a back and forth conversation for a while. Usually, the wiser part of me will play the role of the psychologist and the ego will be the patient. This is usually when I work on clearing my karma. The ego part of me is more inclined to comply with the spirit when under the influence of cannabis. I will sit there and tell the ego that it has to change certain things, and learn to let go of fears, and of doubt, but the ego will always argue and plead its case.

Basically, sometimes when I smoke, my head becomes filled with the chattering of my sub-personalities. They just talk and talk and talk.

Normally, though, I never hear voices. Plus, these aren't really voices, they're more like... my own thoughts, and my own words, just being spontaneously thought without much of my own effort. If that makes sense. When I smoke, sometimes, I feel like my thoughts aren't even my own. I'll feel wiser and like Buddha -- like my thoughts are MINE but coming from a part of myself that is more enlightened.

[Bedeekin]

Your internal dialogue. 

I know exactly what you mean.

There's the higher (enlightened) self and ego self... and if you are a creative there is that utterly frustrated self that seems to side with the procrastinating self with insecure self who likes to consume 'self belief'. 

We have sayings that are evidence that we accept and are aware of these multiple parts... 'I was beside myself'... 'so I told myself'... 'I was in two minds'... we are a collection of conflicting selves.

I suppose it's getting them all to agree and coexist peacefully and in symbiosis that is the ultimate goal.

Sometimes though there are moments aren't there? when there are moments of clarity when they all seem to get together and create something great.

[Fairywindblues]

Oh man, I can completely relate. I always feel like we're all just a melting pot of conflicting inner personalities which add up to the whole (us). I mean, this explains why some people go from being rainbows and lolli pops one moment to wanting to drown puppies the next. When a sub personality is able to be domineering over the rest, that probably manifests itself as bi polar disorder or borderline personality disorder. But I agree, some personalities are stubborn and will not comply with the wiser ones that easily. It's like how a child sometimes completely disregards an adult's opinion. They simply do not care. The goal of life very well could be to keep all of these little personalities in check and have them all in zen and harmony.