Is Astral Projection Real?!

[AreYouSerious]

Hello everyone,

I read a lot about astral projection and I kind of not believing in it or in some of what people say it can be done using it.

I tend to believe most of it because I have experienced some strange incidents. I remember once a dream where I was aware of the fact that it wasn't just a dream and was conscious about the day and time I was sleeping. Unfortunately I was having a nightmare actually and finding myself chased by some beasts and I was also aware about the existence of my siblings in the same room and I was shouting "WAKE ME UP" but no one responded because obviously they didn't hear me at all!

Now, was that kind of regular dreaming or lucid dreaming? Or what was it exactly?

Another incident I experienced was when sometime ago I found myself looking at (myself body) sleeping. At that time, I thought it's just a dream so I didn't really think about it and I don't even remember what I did after that, this part was the only think I remember. But now, I think it's my astral body that saw my physical body, what do you think?


The most important thing to me before I go further in this filed is to make sure that this whole thing called astral projection is 100% real. I heard/read about people who can astral project and can see real people in real life with their physical bodies and in real time, is this possible?

To me, this is the hardest part that I don't think is real about astral projection! If it's true, I'd be very interested in testing it. Can I arrange with someone who lives in any part of the world to come and see what I'm doing at a particular time and then test them on what they saw?

Am I getting it wrong or would someone try it with me and prove it's real?

[Volgerle]

It is real. You can also get veridical perception from the physical, although most projections go to the astral planes that have nothing to do with the physical.

Please click on the link in my signature below for evidence gained by OBEs.

I advise you also look into the very good literature on NDEs or Remote Viewing (there's even scientific research on it) which also delivers masses of validation experiments.

[AstralJames]

It is real. A lot of people don't think so. But that's usually, because they have never tried it before.
If you believe it to be real, thats all you need. You dont need someone else's influence to believe something to be real.

[Xanth]

Hello everyone,

I read a lot about astral projection and I kind of not believing in it or in some of what people say it can be done using it.

I tend to believe most of it because I have experienced some strange incidents. I remember once a dream where I was aware of the fact that it wasn't just a dream and was conscious about the day and time I was sleeping. Unfortunately I was having a nightmare actually and finding myself chased by some beasts and I was also aware about the existence of my siblings in the same room and I was shouting "WAKE ME UP" but no one responded because obviously they didn't hear me at all!

Now, was that kind of regular dreaming or lucid dreaming? Or what was it exactly?

That was a Projection, yes.

Another incident I experienced was when sometime ago I found myself looking at (myself body) sleeping. At that time, I thought it's just a dream so I didn't really think about it and I don't even remember what I did after that, this part was the only think I remember. But now, I think it's my astral body that saw my physical body, what do you think?

That was also a Projection, yes. 

The most important thing to me before I go further in this filed is to make sure that this whole thing called astral projection is 100% real. I heard/read about people who can astral project and can see real people in real life with their physical bodies and in real time, is this possible?

To me, this is the hardest part that I don't think is real about astral projection! If it's true, I'd be very interested in testing it. Can I arrange with someone who lives in any part of the world to come and see what I'm doing at a particular time and then test them on what they saw?

Am I getting it wrong or would someone try it with me and prove it's real?

Well, you've already had two Projections that you've listed above.  How did they feel to you?

Nobody can prove this to you.  Nor is it anyone's responsibility to prove what they experience to you as being "real".
However, to put this in simple terms... anything you can experience is "real".  You experienced yourself in a reality which you recognized as not being this physical reality.  So that was a REAL experience you had. 

People get confused about what the term "real" means because they compare their experience to this physical waking reality.  Well, this physical waking reality is nothing more than "just another" non-physical reality.  It's only physical because you're focused into it and experiencing it.  Just as a non-physical reality feels 100% physical when you're focused into it and experiencing it. 

So... what do *YOU* think?  Because that's the only question that really matters.

[AreYouSerious]

Thank you all for answering..

You say it's real and I astral projected!

However, my biggest belief struggle is with the astral body in the watching real world with real people in real time! This is what makes it really astonishing since I can go and visit places all around the world.

Can someone prove this for me? Would any of you volunteer and then I tell you I'd be at a particular place at a specific time so that you'd come see me and then later tell me what I was doing and stuff like that so that I can clearly know it's true or not?

In other words, spy on me by permission 

Is this hard for you to do?

[Stillwater]

However, my biggest belief struggle is with the astral body in the watching real world with real people in real time!

Xanth is right, I think it may be a good exercise to think about how you use the world "real" and what you mean when you say it.

For instance, you call the physical world we all inhabit and share together "real"; no question it is.

But then, all we have to go on with the physical world are our sense experiences of it. Are there actually bodies and buildings and apples and chairs? We can't ever know, since there is no way to visit an apple or a chair. Sure, you can have the experience of seeing them or feeling them, but do you know they are there? All you have are your feelings of them seeming to be there. So it must be these feelings, not apples or chairs themselves, that are real. Therefore, anything you see or experience is real. What if you "project to New York city, and find it is covered in plants and mushrooms? Is it real? Yes. Regardless of whether or not you go physically to New York later and see everything covered in plants or mushrooms , it is real, because it was an experience; all experiences are real.

Now we all know what you are are actually asking though- you want to know if it is possible to use projection to view things that are in the physical world as they are in that moment in time.

And the answer is "sort of". If you get into this stuff further, you will see that there are just way too many variables in it to approach it as a black and white thing. For instance, if I try to view the contents of the box, I get a lot more than I bargained for; I might see what was in the box in the past, what will be in it in the future, I may see what I expect to be in there, or something related to the person who filled the box. I may see a whole world in the box that sends me on a narative of its own. For me, I might see what was actually there maybe 5% of the time. I find myself in a baffling world of metaphors and stories mostly. Others seem to have more reliablity than I, but not much more. A rare breed of us seems to have something like 30% reliablity, but people like that are even semi-mythical.

[AreYouSerious]

Stillwater, thanks for the reply..

That's what I was asking about. When I say "real" I don't mean it's an ASTRAL REAL EXPERIENCE but I mean an ASTRAL REAL EXPERIENCE BEING DONE IN THE REAL PHYSICAL WORLD.

Now, I see your uncertainty of the subject on whether what we saw was physical world or astral world. This, I believe, can be easily tested by arranging with someone in another room. If I were expert in astral projection, I would ask him to do something, may be show a paper with a word written in it, and then I astral project and go to the other room see what's going on,  come back to my body and go physically to him and tell him what i saw and he can approve or disapprove.

I don't know if this is confusing but I'm actually surprised since I believe this is the most out of astral projection


Since there is the claim that this can "intentionally happen", I'm waiting for experienced astral projectors to test it!

[Stillwater]

http://www.psychwww.com/asc/obe/missz.html

Things like you desribe are common in the literature. This is the most famous example I can think of, where Charles Tart tests "Miss Z", who is one of those semi-mythical individuals I mentioned who can gather data with somewhat significant reliability. She is able to read a five-digit number on command a few times. I don't have anywhere near that reliablity, to the point where if I spent my time trying, I would waste valuable time where I could be having more meaningful experiences.

It is sort of hard to explain to someone, especially because I was initially rather concerned with verifications myself, but it loses relavence when the power of the experiences take over.

If I had to guess, I wouldn't say there aren't many of us even who can do what you say and see it as it is everytime. Maybe 2-4 of us here at best. Many of us might get small details, and that is what you would find if you tried.

For instance, say you were doing an action to be viewed as a test. You might be painting a canvas, and twenty people will respond; 10 will provide data you can't connect or verify at all. Maybe six of us would say curiously similar things like you were brushing your teeth, or you were dancing with colors, or you were externalizing your feelings. If you were lucky one of us might say you were drawing with some charcoal.

[Volgerle]

Since there is the claim that this can "intentionally happen", I'm waiting for experienced astral projectors to test it!

have you looked at the internet link I gave you?

[Xanth]

Thank you all for answering..

You say it's real and I astral projected!

However, my biggest belief struggle is with the astral body in the watching real world with real people in real time! This is what makes it really astonishing since I can go and visit places all around the world.

Can someone prove this for me? Would any of you volunteer and then I tell you I'd be at a particular place at a specific time so that you'd come see me and then later tell me what I was doing and stuff like that so that I can clearly know it's true or not?

In other words, spy on me by permission 

Is this hard for you to do?

My honest opinion is this...

You ALREADY have many preconceived notions of what you're to expect and how it's to play out.
My suggestion is this:  Forget everything you've ever read on the subject.  It'll only hold you back from experiencing.

Just have experiences for now and see where that leads you. 

You've had experiences... so now build upon those.  Absolutely *NOBODY* can prove this stuff for you.  You have to prove it to yourself.
We all KNOW it's true and real, we don't need convincing... neither do we have to convince anyone else.  Our only job is to help you to experience it for yourself so you can make your own opinions. 

[Astralzombie]

Are dreams real?

They are certainly real experiences. We all have them. The only thing that makes the difference is between a projection and a dream is our awareness.

Someone said (I forget who) that dreams are like a box. We need to open that box and look inside. The worst that can happen is that we are entertained with nonsense. The best that can happen is that we can discover who we are. I'll open that box every time.

I believe that you said "visiting" people during a projection in actual time is the best there is. Does that really sound better than discovering who you are?

That's not an easy journey though. We have to work our way through a maze that has wall after wall constructed by our beliefs and expectations. Sometimes the only way to get past a certain wall is to butt heads with it time after time. Then we can finally get a glimpse and see what's on the other side and that's usually another wall.

[Boom]

Well youre asking an Astral Projection forum if its real. So yes, everyone here is going to reply with yes. Ask a scientific forum, or a sceptics forum if its real, and they'll probably say no.

What is real is this.  Something happens where our consciousness if shifted, giving us some kind of dream like and real life like experience where we are aware of it happening. A normal dream can be hazy at best and we are not aware we're in a dream. With Astral Projection, OBEs and Lucid Dreaming you have that awareness. You're mostly awake.

What is unclear to me, is exactly what this experience is.. Are we focussing our consciousness awareness to another dimension/plane ? Or is it just some crazy trick of the brain where we're in a natural half way state between being asleep and being awake?  Are we really going out of body? Or is our imagination and thoughts being turned into a solid dream like experience?

[AreYouSerious]

Thanks to anyone contributed to this post.. I'll come later to address each question comment but for now:

What is unclear to me, is exactly what this experience is.. Are we focussing our consciousness awareness to another dimension/plane ? Or is it just some crazy trick of the brain where we're in a natural half way state between being asleep and being awake?  Are we really going out of body? Or is our imagination and thoughts being turned into a solid dream like experience?

This is exactly what I'm trying to find an answer to and the only way I see it is by putting it under test, because if it's just a matter of imagination then it's another whole story!

I read what some mentioned in this post and an external link about this exact purpose, but still why can't most, if not all, astral projectors do it?

If I were you, in which I can astral project whenever I can, I'd first check the next room for a test! As I understood, this isn't a hard thing to do.

So, for everyone reading this post, why not try to test it and report their experiences?

For "it's all bad" who asked about why I see "seeing things in actual world in actual time" would be the most fantastic thing about it is just because it's supernatural and yet REAL! And what exactly do you mean discover who am I?!

I believe I am who I am in real life, but would you please explain specifically how my self discovery in the astral world would affect my real world?

Thank you all..

[Volgerle]

If I were you, in which I can astral project whenever I can, I'd first check the next room for a test!

Many have done this and gathered reliable data. You seem to ignore the link I gave you which shows that you seem not really interested to read up on this, and never would read on scientific literature (laboratory psi research such as on Remote Viewing, Ganzfeld, Precognition etc.) either. So how can we help you if you're not ready yet?

Here's again my link (the example Stillwater gave you is in there too, but lots more!):
http://da-lai.lima-city.de/OBE/index.html

You see, there are tons of evidence out there that veridical perception can be done from the Astral Plane! You just need to (want to) read it with an open mind! It seems you have none?

As I understood, this isn't a hard thing to do.

Wrong! Who told you this?

This is a misconception and also an over-simplification. Nobody says it's easy to do, at least not here. You seem to think we are a bunch of superhuman beings that can do "supernatural" stuff all along. This is silly. Nobody claims this. Look at it like a kind of sports that you need to learn and master first before you can practice it. Especially doing validations (btw we also have a validations thread here at the Pulse) is difficult, but not impossible.

So, for everyone reading this post, why not try to test it and report their experiences?

Again, you do not understand what some of us already tried to explain. And you put the cart before the horse here: You want s.o. else to prove it to you so that only then you will try to learn it. The other way around would be the right way. Learn it by help of this community and books and try it yourself. Then put e.g. a card on the desk of your neighbouring room or on a shelf in your same room without looking at it and try to look it up during projection. Or ask one of your friends to put it for you in their room, so you have a witness also. And then check on it. It is always better to do this with people and / or places you know, as cumulative and expert experience shows.

It is not that we can 'go everywhere we want' easily since navigation in the RTZ is not always possible or easy. So it would e.g. hard for me to look sth up in YOUR room since I don't know you. However, professional and skilled remote viewers can also look up distant and 'foreign' target (such as you demand of us) but then you are wrong her and should maybe go to a RV website where people do these things all the time. I'm convinced that some of them are quite capable of "looking up your things".

An aside: I believe your name gives you away alittle. So we need to ask or you need to ask yourself: Are YOU serious at all about this? Or are you just a "skeptic" who sometimes come trolling into forums like this with silly "prove-it-to-me" demands? Because this is what you're doing right now. Sorry, but it seems this way for the time being. I don't know how we can help you further out.

[Stillwater]

The bottom line is no amount of proof is going to be enough for you, if you doubt as well as you ought to. If you want some of us to verify things for you, there is always going to be ambiguity. Where there isn't ambiguity, you should suspect trickery. Until you have a laboratory, dozens of adept subjects, and hundreds of hours to spend, you are not going to get scientific level proof.

A small number of people have had a laboratory, dozens of adept subjects, and hundreds of hours to spend, and they got some results. But those people and their methods are so far removed from us that they are in doubt. If you want to study this stuff from a critical angle, you NEED TO LEARN TO DO IT.

Would you feel comfortable releasing research findings on ancient Sumeria and their literature, if you couldn't read a single character of cunieform writing? Could you feel like you knew about Chinese politics if you never set foot in Asia? This is just one of those fields you need to plunge yourself into to have any perspective. What constitutes first hand proof is much less than what constitutes second-hand proof. What if you projected to a city you have never been to, saw how things were aranged, and then drove there to find a lot of the details confirmed? It would be convincing, no? Then what if another person told you they did the same thing? You would want a ponderous amount of details... what did the buildings looks like? what period were the styles? What were the sidewalks paved in? It is much harder for someone else to prove it to you than for you to prove it to yourself.

You want to know if it is "real" before you invest the time, but I can tell you that you will invest a large amount of time trying to find that out.

[Astralzombie]

For "it's all bad" who asked about why I see "seeing things in actual world in actual time" would be the most fantastic thing about it is just because it's supernatural and yet REAL! And what exactly do you mean discover who am I?!

I believe I am who I am in real life, but would you please explain specifically how my self discovery in the astral world would affect my real world?

That's easy. This can affect your "real" life by working through your fears. Whether we admit it or not, our fears control us. You seem to be a skeptic (that's good, only a fool would believe many of our claims without firsthand experience).

The only claims I make that I want you to believe without experience, is this: If you keep an open mind, you too, can have these same experiences and see for yourself. You do not have to come to the same conclusions. In fact, most of us still keep an open mind and our beliefs are still evolving.

At the least, you can have pretty awesome dreams. At the most, your life will change for the better. You will lose many of the fears that hold you back. Everyone fears something and they can work through it during a projection. In fact, there's hardly a choice in that matter.

Proving all of this is one of the first concerns that you will let go of. You will see how easy it is to prove to yourself while being impossible to prove to someone else at the same time.

All your validation questions have already been answered countless times through the links that Volgerle gave you. I don't know if you read them or not but there's nothing else we can say about this that can prove anything to you.

Besides, all those stories shouldn't prove anything to you in the first place. Again, without personal experience, only a fool would believe any of this is more than a dream.

I'm asking you not to place any limitations on a dream until you have seen for yourself. It takes a lot of work though. You have to work through your beliefs to understand.

I don't think your trolling. I think something is telling you to wake up and pay attention but your belief and fears are telling you this is junk. You have some work to do. If you can't see how working through your fears will help you in your "real" life, you have a lot of work to do.

Good luck and I hope you choose to explore. We're all here to help should you choose to do so. Hopefully you have already read about some of the techniques and have started your personal journey. If so, please ask about any questions or concerns you have.

[AreYouSerious]

Thank you all for the help..

Honestly, I'm confused, sometimes I read that you should relax and try to manipulate your mind to believe you're going out of your body and sometimes people say just don't think about it 


Anyway, I think I'll take your advice, I'll try to forget this whole thing for a month and then I'll just try to do it and I hope my thoughts won't prevent me from achieving the experience..


Thank you again for the rich discussion..

[Xanth]

Honestly, I'm confused, sometimes I read that you should relax and try to manipulate your mind to believe you're going out of your body and sometimes people say just don't think about it 

You don't know it yet, but all those people are actually saying the same thing. 

Anyway, I think I'll take your advice, I'll try to forget this whole thing for a month and then I'll just try to do it and I hope my thoughts won't prevent me from achieving the experience..

Meditate on it.

[Stillwater]

I'll try to forget this whole thing for a month

That is a good thought; it might work for you and it might not. Most of us seemed to get it in the course of 2 years or so. Somtimes it takes under a month, but not often.

[AreYouSerious]

Hi guys.. I'm back after almost a month with a new experience that I'm not sure about whether it was some kind of astral projection or not.

What I saw was mostly a regular dream!

I found myself walking around in a place I know and I doubted (during the dream) that I was dreaming there. I also couldn't see my body!

Plus, I realized that I wasn't actually walking on my feet but flying or (floating) very closely to the ground as I moved. I passed by people who didn't look at me as if they didn't realize I was there but animals (I saw something I'm not sure of what it is but it looked like a raccoons) did notice me! After I realized these things along with realizing I was dreaming, I thought that I'm actually astrally projecting. So, I though that I would try to go back to my body by just thinking about it (as a test). And I did it and woke up!

Was I astrally projecting or was I just dreaming that I'm projecting?!

By the way, this happened in the morning, maybe around 7 am and I wasn't really having a deep sleep since I had something to wake up for and didn't really trust the alarm, so I was kind of asleep and kind of awake at the same time!

[AreYouSerious]

Any insights on my last post please 

[Lookedynamixhales]

Erm...I am going to try help out but you will get more insight from the Pros.

Sound like you maybe where projecting... May I ask how conscious where you ? Did it feel real not dream real...but REAL?

[Astralzombie]

Any dream is a successful projection. You were gaining your awareness but weren't yet completely lucid. It takes a lot of work to recognize that your dreaming so good job on that.

The hour that this happened and the fact that you were already in a semi awake state tells me that you were really close to having your whole comfort zone ripped out from under you. You'll love it when that happens.

Keep it up.