Automatic handwriting/ouija boards

[Adrian]

Greetings!

I have no recent experience with Ouija boards, but I do know people who have used them, and they do certainly appear to attract the attention of beings, and who cause the sought after effects.

However, I certainly would not trust that the being is who they claim to be, without alot of confirmation, and knowing the neg side phenomena that people have often experienced with Ouija, I wouldn't want to use one outside of a circle, and/or with the protection of some other protective ritual.

Take care,

Adrian.

[Violet]

Dear Blue Light Mystic,

I definitely would not recommend anyone play with the Ouiji board.  Especially not in ones house unless you do not mind having residual effects and entities hanging around whom may be less than desireable.  There are so many wonderful ways to acquire information that the Ouiji board and automatic writing just pale in comparison.  Perhaps instead visit the Hall of Records, the Crystal City and other places.  Just before you go to sleep each night say a prayer and say where you would like to go...Hall of Records, Rhelm of Awakening Vision, the Ancient Temples of Wisdom...just pick an interesting place on the other side.  There are themes for everything under the sun. Just state where you wish to go and/or the type of knowledge you wish to acquire before going to sleep and you will go. Sometimes you will not be able to bring back what you learned consciously but you will have it stored unconsciously and it will surface to the conscious mind eventually. The quality is way better.  

Ouiji board entities are from the lower astral plane.  They know only about the lower planes of existence.    

Automatic writing is a mixed bag.  Ruth Montgomery one of the best at it got very high quaility information but she did a lot to raise her vibrational rate. I would recommend any of her books. So it can be done but with the earth's vibrational rate rising it is getting easier and easier to get information by less mechanical means.  Plus automatic writing requires you open yourself to allow influence from other beings.  If you are not sure what level you are tapping into you could be playing with fire.  So caution here is wise.


Edited by - Violet on 23 February 2002  20:36:37

[Adrian]

Hello again:

I should add that most people use Ouija boards in attempt to contact deceased relatives and friends.

What they are more likely to make contact with is a phantom of the deceased person. The spirit of the deceased person (depending how long it is since they passed over - if recent - their soul/spirit could still be in the Astral realm) will most likely be in a Spirit world.

When people die, a large amount of mourning, grieving, remembering, and other imaginitive and visualative activities, can create phantoms of the deceased person in the Astral - and there can be many of these, which is why it is possible for various mediums to apparently "contact" them concurrently. It is not likely to be actually the spirit of the deceased. Phantoms rely on constant activity of this sort to remain in creative existence in the Astral.

That is why Ouija, in my opinion, is so dangerous. The unaware, or dabbler, delude themselves into thinking they are contacting actual deceased spirits - while this might be possible, it is usually just not the case.  The more likely result is to attract the attention of lower "mischievous" spirits, or worse, bad spirits - aka negs.

As Violet points out, there are safer and more reliable methods of obtaining this sort of communication, assuming the necessary skills and experience, and of course for more information on deceased people, it is possible, again with the appropriate experience, to consult the Akashic Records.

Take care,

Adrian.

[Blue Light Mystic]

Greetings Adrian, thanks for your reply! -warm smile- yes, i also tend to agree with you on this as you had said about ouija boards, "...attract the attention of beings, and who cause the sought after effects. they also seem to more so make things happen that one wouldn't want to have happen either to that person or even other people who may live with the person who was using it. i mean, maybe this darned thing is really nothing more than a small open portal or doorway that says to other beings and spirits, hey! look at me! i'm fully open to the Earth plane! why don't you come inside and have fun manipulating and wrecking havoc on the person who opened me's life! this probably would especially happen if who ever was using the ouija board was inexperienced in using it, particularly children for the effects and kicks they'd get from using it.

i also tend to believe that once the doorway has been opened by the person who was using the ouija board, and especially didn't close the contact with whoever or whatever kind of entity had decided to come through it, that particular being would also choose to never leave that person. then, the entity would take pleasure in doing things to that individual that obviously wouldn't be good for him/her and most likely since the entity he/she had contacted was probably not good. i'm saying this because i've read of this of happening to others before over the internet, and, it kind of is obvious as well. maybe the doorway would eventually be closed by another entity where the original one had come through and would wind up being -trapped- in our realm as well. so, what else would the originally contacted being then choose to do? hang around the person who opened the doorway that let he/she/it through to them and make them miserable, right? -wink-

"However, I certainly would not trust that the being is who they claim to be, without alot of confirmation, and knowing the neg side phenomena that people have often experienced with Ouija, I wouldn't want to use one outside of a circle, and/or with the protection of some other protective ritual." yes Adrian, i certaintly agree with you here as well. i'm sure that the entities/spirits who do come through are normally of a much lower vibration and since they are, they also enjoy lying to those they're communicating with through the board too. and, in knowing all of this, why would anyone want to use the board alone, especially if something really bad were to happen to the person who was using it? it most definitly would be wise to use the ouija board with at least a group of several other people i'd say! -smile-

thanks again for the knowledgeable conversation!

Blue Light blessings
from Blue Mystic

[Blue Light Mystic]

And greetings to you as well Violet. um, i love the flower violets, do you as well, and the color too? just a tad curious that's all! -smile- nice name anyway!

yes, even the most experienced person who can use the ouija shouldn't even use it, as even they could wind up having problems and trouble from it too! and, yes, using it within the house where you live wouldn't be wise either, as, i'm sure that the contacted entity would know the location of the person who had contacted them, and would therefore just continue to keep coming back to that individual! it's then like saying, hey, now you know me, so come back and haunt me over and over again. come and hang around me sometime too, you're more than welcome to since i've contacted you. well, that probably is what the entity's thinking afterwards anyway, right? -wink-

hmmm, if so many know that in using the ouija board is considered to be so dangerous, and normally people seem to attract lower entities/ spirits through it, then why do so many still continue to use it then, right? and furthermore, what or who ever comes through on it/he/she normally seems to either tell the truth to make the person who's contacting them interested in them for awhile and even seem to be good, then i guess that particular entity's true nature comes through later on if the person continues to take interest in contacting him/it/she. also, as what i've read and heard others say in the past, these entities/spirits also seem to lye to us a lot...so...with knowing all of this in mind, then why use the darned thing at all then?

yes, i also agree with you that there are many and probably a whole lot safer -alternative- ways to find information than just using the ouija board and doing automatic handwriting! we could astral project, go out of our body, use astral sight, meditate, and yes, also as you've said visit the Hall of Records, Crystal City and other various higher temples within the astral as well as other realms. eh, btw, is the Hall of Records the same thing as the Akasha Records place? is that just another way to say it or something?

did/have you projected to these particular place before? i feel that i may have, but for some reason wasn't ever told what they were called. thanks for the tip on saying this as well, "Just before you go to sleep each night say a prayer and say where you would like to go...Hall of Records, Rhelm of Awakening Vision, the Ancient Temples of Wisdom...just pick an interesting place on the other side."
and yes, stating where one wants to go before falling asleep does indeed seem to work most of the time, as it probably works on the subconscious as well as our astral minds telling them what we want to do and then they do this for us. and, yes, whatever we see and experience that we've come across while projecting does eventually seem to come up and surface within our physical minds later on. most of the time for me, though, it comes back right after my projections as well as during the projection. i've trained myself to learn how to gain awarness or consciousness during projections, and this really makes it a whole lot easier to come back into the body remembering what one has experienced! one of the techniques that i've been useing simply is by stating that before i fall asleep, that i will recall and remember my projections, while i'm having my projection. try it, and let me know if it works for you as well! be sincere whenever you're saying this too, as i'm sure that will help as well! -smile-

"Ouiji board entities are from the lower astral plane.  They know only about the lower planes of existence." yes, they all seem to be this way from what i've not only heard others tell me before, but have at times (which are rare) had nasty things happen to me the following night while i was using one! well, i use to do that whenever i was a lot younger and wasn't really protecting myself while using one with a friend. i don't use it anymore, as i don't believe they are worth the trouble, and because they never seem to be right or correct about anything i'm asking it either! so, what really is the ouija board's use anyway? i really don't see any use of it! -wink-    

thanks for telling me about Ruth Montgomery. i'll consider reading some of her books about automatic handwriting. and, i also once again, tend to agree with you here about what you've said here, "...automatic writing requires you open yourself to allow influence from other beings.  If you are not sure what level you are tapping into you could be playing with fire.  So caution here is wise." hmmm, it seems as though it's just as dangerous as using the ouija! is there anything that's -not- dangerous? i'm sure there is, and the ouija and doing automatic handwriting -could- be too, but, it would probably overall be wise to be trained by someone who knows how to use them safely, and best of all, not attempt to use either one at all! however, some of us seem to like playing with fire, until we eventually get burned anyway. -laugh and smile on that statement- how one deals with getting burned if another story...

Blue Light blessings
from Blue Mystic

[Rob]

hmm, with automatic writing, I think it is dangerous only if you open yourself up to outside influences. If you use it as a tool only to contact your unconcious mind, it is safe. With all these things, whether it be spirit channeling or pendulum divination, it always has to come through the sub-conscious mind. But you can split it into two areas IMO - firstly channeling, which is dodgy in the extreme (eg typical Ouija), or divination, which uses only the subconsious mind and is completely safe. I haven't really tried the first, but got some great results from the second!

Dunno much about Ouiji boards, I dabbled with them when I was about 12 with some friends, and had no bad effects which I remember - though I was not the instigator (didn't say the ritual sytle stuff at the start), and usually just watched. We didn't really get any results either, it was pretty much gibberish, though we didn't have a proper board. Heh, we used stones in the playground, screwed up pieces of paper, etc - but it still worked...

[Adrian]

Greetings!

Here is a synopsis from Roberts forthcoming book "Practical Psychic Self Defense", where he specifically mentions Ouija boards:

Part One, The Phenomena:
This begins by defining what supernatural problems are, giving detailed explanations and case histories in support. It describes the most common problems, how people become exposed, and the types of psychic influences and attacks that can result. Also discussed are risky places like cemeteries and haunted houses, and dangerous practices like uncontrolled spirit channeling and Ouija boards, and how these can all lead to supernatural problems.

The cornerstone of PPSD is its conceptual model of the dimensional interface within the human mind that allows psychic influences, attacks and possessions to occur. The only thing humans have in common with negative inorganic beings (negs) is mind. Therefore, logically, there must be an interface between negs and humans to allow psychic attack to occur, and this must exist within the human brain and its mind. Building on this, the author theorizes according to his extensive personal experience, on the anatomy and principles of psychic influence and invasion, and how it all works. He explains how subconscious trauma memories, Core Image Knots, are used by negs to penetrate and affect the human mind. And how these are at the root of all psychic influence, attack and possession problems.


Take care!

Adrian.

[Violet]

Dear Blue Light Mystic,

The Akashic record are housed in the Hall of Records. I have memories of the Hall of Records.  I have only ever looked at my own huge book.  Man it has taken a long time for me to start getting things right.  I have visited the Crystal City and really remember this visit.  But I find when I go to the higher planes I have less likelihood or remembering with clarity all of my visit then if I project to some place else on earth say to a friends.  I think it is because I do projections on earth usually out of concern for friends and family and do them during the day and for short duration.  I actually do not know why but I have never tried to project to the higher realms during the day.  I guess I figured if I am going there it should be for a good long visit which can only be done at night for me.  Plus I have a very busy life.  Right now I am between projects so I have more time then usual but time is usually a rarity.  But when ever I have a difficult problem to solve whether it be improving self or even solving an engineering problem I will ask to project to a realm and kingdom that will help me find the answers.  It seems to really work.  
I too foolishly messed with the Ouiji board as a teen.  I guess most teens do.  I should have known better though even then.  It was at my cousins house.  Her brother did not believe in the stuff.  He does now.  My cousin says it took her for ever to clear the house. Getting rid of the Ouiji board helps but still a lot of work is needed even after that.  The only safe divining methods I am aware of are the Tarot cards and the IChing.  I have sensed 'Tarot Angels' before and actually think they exist.  But I do not do Tarot cards anymore. The IChing is different but safe but more for self reflection then divining.

All the Best to One and All,
Violet

[pod3]

Whether for Oija, handwriting, or I-Cheng, you've surrendered conscious control of your hands, thereby resonating with controlling wills, only. You must eliminate the need of these parasites if you are to hone yourself.

[dazy mable]

This discussion is very interesting.  There was a similar thread relating to this on another board I frequent.  It actually began w/ a woman who was having some bizarre going-on in her basement.  At first, it was just a feeling of dread, but she would also see flashes of light coming from the area when she was upstairs.

 Soon her parrot, or cockatiel(I forget what talking bird it was) was saying things that she never taught it to say...like "Shut up!" or it would start laughing.

 Anyway, she tried doing AW, and found out there were 2 spirits in her house.  A man named Adam, and an Indian who he kept in the basement for killing his family.  Adam would guide the woman's pen although it would use entire notebook, since "his"writing was huge.  Sometimes the parrot would repeat a word that had just been written. Anyway, it was very interesting, but Adam told her she wasn't to go into the basement, because that's where he kept his "prisoner".  You could tell this spirit was from a bygone era, as he would tell her to "Shut up, Woman" many times...

Anyway , being that she lived there, and would need to go into the basement, she left a glass of water for the tortured soul in the basement and felt a little better about doing laundry, or whatever needed doing down there...

After that, she started getting the sleep Paralysis someone -holding her down routine. Like being astrally terrorized to the extent that a trapped soul can accomplish.  Then she went on vacation for a few weeks...came back, and things seemed different.  Nothing had occured since then...

[kmd242]

I disagree completly with the statement Ouija is dangerous. Of course, and this goes with a lot of the issues we talk about, it has POTIENTAL to be dangerous if not used right. My introduction to "new age" thinking came from a Ouija board and I would like to share this story with everyone.

When i was 14, (im now 27), my best friend was a kid named Dave. Dave's mom was the first person i had met that used crystals, meditiated, and basically was a new ager. She met with a group of folks once a week to talk about all matters new age. We decided to go with her and see what it was all about. At the second meeting we went to, a Ouija board was taken out to be used. I was kinda skeptic, being that i had heard stories and such about how dangerous an creepy Ouija was. They begun the session, contacting the spirit they mainly talked to, who asked to be called No-Name becasue he didnt want a name attached to him. Normally No-Name was quick to answer any questions regarding healing, or the like in an cohernet manner. This time wasnt like that though, and randmom letters presented themselves. The person who was documenting passed around the notepad and asked us to look for any recognizable words, even in a foreign lanuage. Being the only person who knew french in the room, i pointed out the letters "B_E_A_U" in a string, and explained it was the masucline form of the french word for "beautiful". Immediality as i said this, and i still cannot convey the sudden feeling of recognition in the room, No-Name quickly spelled out "He is here, He is David's friend." They all looked at me and smiled. No Name went on to tell us that we were co-workers in a past life, both doctors in the era of Rome. Eventually, he said i could channel his spirit but that would only come with practice and the want to do it.  I was stunned by all this information, but somehow a lil voice inside me told myself that it fit. Soon after i begun having spontaneous OBE, which lead me to Astral Dynamics, which lead to concious projections.
Currently, Im trying to locate No-Name on the astral plane, still with no luck. Im hoping one day to see him and thank him for beinginng a path to enlighenment.
Use Ouija with caution. Make sure you have one man, and one woman on using the board, with others in the room. Medititate beforehand, and open yourself only to a positive experinece. NEVER use the board alone! Im not sure, but i think i was told that Spirits are bound to tell you their level when asked directly and never talk to anything below a 8.  Good Luck.

[Blue Light Mystic]

Hi again all. i was wondering if anyone on the forum knows if either using a ouija board or doing automatic handwriting really works or not. i've gotten a few very bad surprises in attempting to use an ouija board a few times, but have quit because of the terrible things that nealy always seem to occur after using it the very following night! ok, so, i rule out that they do work then!

now, as for doing automatic handwriting, i've gotten a couple of bad surprises from doing this as well over the years. i never seem to be doing this right for some reason though and was wondering if anyone on the forum may know some tips that i could use to help me out a little.

btw, i have been protecting myself -before- attempting to do either the ouija or automatic handwriting over the years......and..... especially since whenever i was starting out doing them and didn't protect myself, (you know, out of foolishness in not believing that something bad -wouldn't- happen), and got those nasty surprises! -grin-



Blue Light blessings
from Blue Mystic