Lucid awareness - astral awareness

[Rachael Hicks]

When I ap I have always laid down then immediately got out of my body, but now I've been having lucid dreams and then awakened during them and projected from there. This is the first time I've ever experienced anything like this, I feel I can't rem as easily and that I'm not as aware. I would rather ap the way I've always done it ,but I don't know what's changed to bring on this new lucid type projecting. Anybody understand what I'm talking about and have any suggestions on how I would go about returning things to normal??   P.S  I finally kinda met a guide today 'yay' i rem crying and her kissing me on the forehead, weird but awesome at the same time.  

[Astralzombie]

If you're not doing anything different than normal than I would guess that it may be that your participation here is kicking your subconscious (I hate that word but I'm not here to reinvent English) into overdrive. Consider it as a bonus projection instead of one with less awareness and you'll be all the better for it.

[Lionheart]

 I believe this to be "Phase 2" of AP. I first began my Aping consciously aware back in Feb 2011 after a incredible spontaneous 3 day event I had.

Since then I learned to AP by literally "climbing out the body". I then learned to Phase, which is my favorite technique now.

Then I progressed onto becoming Lucid in my Dreams almost every night.

I would take that this progression was all due to raising my "awareness" as a whole. A lot of it had to do with being flexible as well and ever experimenting.

The one thing is I think people take for granted the importance of using Brain Entrainment with AP in general. Nightly affirmations I have found are very important. At least for me they are. Never skip one. Just like "clockwork" do your every single night. 

[Rachael Hicks]

Wow that's awesome, so I'm not doing anything wrong I'm actually learning different ways to project. I guess I felt like I was going backwards never assumed of me going forward. I'm not good at making affirmations, I've used I'm more than my physical body one by Monroe a few tines but other than that I've not used any because I can't think of a good personalized one to use. I have been meditating every day for 30 min, and even tried doing the merkaba energy field meditation, I've noticed a huge improvement by meditating

[Lionheart]

 Try this one, it works very good for me. Visualize the capitalized letters as fading into the darkness before your closed eyes. this enhances and empowers them.

"By my act of will I release my focus over my physical body. Please TAKE ME to your desired destination. SHOW ME what I NEED TO SEE. TEACH ME what I NEED TO LEARN. I am CONSCIOUSLY AWARE in my Dreams, KNOWING that I am indeed Dreaming. Because of this I LEARN FROM and ENJOY them. I also retain FULL MEMORY recall of them. THANK YOU."

You can see that I am giving my entire control over to my "higher self". There is no sign of doubt at all in anything I am saying. I have shown my intent and now it's my job to do what it takes to strengthen the recall. Which means using a Dream Journal and logging all I can upon awakening.

The THANK YOU at the end is important to because it shows appreciation. Now I actually say THANK YOU and good night. I say goodnight so my mind knows that this is not a time to just sit and notice, but that my intent is to shut off and go to sleep. It may seem strange to hear that you need to tell your mind what to do, but you will see after years of this that sometimes you just get stuck. I have had many many nights where I closed my eyes to fall asleep, but my mind had other plans, lol. I got stuck just noticing for hours.  
It ended up being another one of those things that I had to learn to overcome.

[Rachael Hicks]

Thank you for the affirmation I will definitely try it tonight, and I know to well about being stuck lol. And my conscious has a mind of its own to

[Rachael Hicks]

Lionheart when you say you consider this phase 2, how many phases are there? And what's the difference in astral projecting and phasing? Sorry for me being an idiot lol

[Lionheart]

Lionheart when you say you consider this phase 2, how many phases are there? And what's the difference in astral projecting and phasing? Sorry for me being an idiot lol

Good question. I am only on "Phase 2" myself.

Szaxx might be able to help you with that question.

OBE is basically achieved by physically "willing yourself or climbing" out of the body. Phasing is achieved by the act of noticing. It is achieved by creating a good NP focus and just ALLOWING the shift to occur.

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_the_astral_faq/what_is_astral_projection-t17350.0.html

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_the_astral_faq/what_is_phasing_and_how_can_i_do_it-t17413.0.html

[Xanth]

As long as you're continually experiencing the non-physical, how you get there shouldn't really be of much concern. 

[Szaxx]

As long as you're continually experiencing the non-physical, how you get there shouldn't really be of much concern. 

We should all think like this.
The destination is whats important, how you get there may be a chore and hard work or perhaps a simple thought, this 'getting there' is almost irrelevant.
Your destination is the objective. Whether you only experience the RTZ or end up on some mental/emotional lightshow that's mind-blowing, it's the end of line you want to reach.

The level of experience is subjective. Some great names only managed the RTZ.
It may simply be by using the same method repeatedly the progress into differing realities wasn't made as a result. With the net and communication this may be a thing of the past.
It's still early days at this time.
A hose and cart is useless transport to cross an ocean. Different means must be used.

[Rachael Hicks]

Thanks for your replies, so I should just keep on trucking lol and enjoy it no matter how I got there. That sounds easy enuf  ... Though this phasing stuff intrigues me, I'd love to phase out whenever I wanted especially at awkward family functions ex. "In laws around the holidays, nosey OCD ADHD grandma conversations, @ the grocery store (during a omg it's going to snow rampage )".     P.s I'm not as crazy as I sound, I swear... I just like being silly, life's too short. So ignore my craziness     

[EscapeVelocity]

Rachael,

I am just reading your reply to Amorda's thread and then I re-read this one.

You are now projecting to the Astral.
You are making your entry through use of a DILD, or Dream Induced Lucid Dream. In other words, like you said- you are coming aware in a lucid dream. That's just one of the early entry methods we learn. There are others like directly phasing. Once you get exposed to a few different entry methods the trick is to just be on the lookout for whatever opportunity arises and what method is at hand. Making more sense?

A Lucid Dream IS in the Astral, at least the first part. It's the "personal" Astral, where our dreams and many lessons apparently take place. Just take command of the dream, alter it, erase it or look for a portal and go where you "intend".

I know you want to get to the Astral Proper, that's the "collective" Astral; that may take a little more time and work.

But make no mistake, you have taken the step from RTZ awareness to Astral awareness. Starting to feel the difference?

Oh........and congratulations!!

[Rachael Hicks]

Thanks escapevelocity, I'm starting to understand but it is a bit confusing. But I'm coming around. I do notice a big difference, I'll get to the proper one day lol wish me luck

[EscapeVelocity]

To me, the Collective Astral, or the Astral Proper is at a higher vibration and personally, I have to work up to that frequency, so I still need some practice. I've hit a few times but it's still a struggle.

You may be able to get there now, you just are developing access points or methods. You've just had presented to you the DILD. Later you will learn others. These access points are leading you into that "personal" Astral space. Once you become acclimated to that area, you will gain entrance to the "collective" areas. Your vibration may allow access now or it may require some work like it has for me.

Good luck and have fun!

EV

[Xanth]

To me, the Collective Astral, or the Astral Proper is at a higher vibration and personally, I have to work up to that frequency, so I still need some practice. I've hit a few times but it's still a struggle.

You may be able to get there now, you just are developing access points or methods. You've just had presented to you the DILD. Later you will learn others. These access points are leading you into that "personal" Astral space. Once you become acclimated to that area, you will gain entrance to the "collective" areas. Your vibration may allow access now or it may require some work like it has for me.

Good luck and have fun!

EV

Don't mind me here... I'm just thinking outloud. 

I've begun to wonder just how true that belief is... personal vs collective areas of consciousness.
I was thinking about this the other night in relation to what I've learned so far and it seems to be getting clear to me that such a division doesn't exist either.

We look at these physical reality lives we all lead... we're all so certain that we're individuals, so that individuality must exist outside this reality too.  Well, we've also learned that we're all consciousness... that everything is consciousness.  That's the kicker... if there is a "personal" area, then it's as much an illusion as the individuality we experience physically.  Right?

So when people say "personal" area of consciousness, what exactly do they mean?  Do they mean an area set aside just for that individual consciousness which only they may experience?  What if it's all just as much an illusion as individuality is here?

Consciousness is collective by its very nature.  Consciousness being individual seems to be the invalid state which one escapes from.

[EscapeVelocity]

I agree 100% with your thinking Xanth but would add a caveat. In a theoretical sense I think this is closer to the truth but in a practical, working sense I think the distinctions, divisions and definitions exist for us to discover, understand and eventually move beyond them. These terms and concepts help us to understand for ourselves and to describe to others what we are experiencing but yes, they can also limit or trap us in our thinking and our further experiences. So they are necessary, but at some point we have to be ready and willing to discard them and transcend their potential limitations.

But really, most of us are making assumptions and judgements about what we are experiencing. They may be temporary, arbitrary and dependent. We have to shuffle them around, trying to categorize them, comparing them to others' ideas, sometimes dumping them all together, trying something new.

The limiting factor may be our consciousness learning to un-individuate itself and broaden our view to increasingly larger portions of the Wider Reality. From my readings, it appears that most people advance along a fairly regular path of recognizing the next closest aspect of the plane just beyond the one they are presently focused in : Physical...Etheric/RTZ...PersonalAstral...PublicAstral...Mental...Causal...and so on. ( I know, more names, more labels ...lol )

Can some people make the jump directly to the Mental plane? I suppose so, and their newfound perspective may look back on the Astral as just one undifferentiated plane. I'm open to that, it's just not been my experience. Maybe somewhere in the Mental or Causal planes we start to leave behind the labels?

I'm guessing it has a lot to do with the development of the new senses that each energy body requires to experience the new plane/dimension.
If you are lucky enough to have developed the right supra physical senses to a sufficient degree, you might just "see" right past all these semantical limitations.

Do we mention the potential division between Astral 1 and Astral 2 to new explorers? Or just wait and see where they land on their own? In this case you're probably right; initially treat the Astral as a whole (which it is) and see how much people are immediately open to, without throwing any unintentional blocks in their way. Maybe I'm tossing out a roadblock that doesn't need to be there. I'm ok with that idea.

Anyway, just my current thinking. ( Subject to change without notice )

Thanks,  
EV

[Xanth]

Just me personally, but I don't subscribe to the "many planes" belief.   
So when people start talking "etheric", "astral", "mental", etc... my eyes kind of glass over.  LoL