How do OBE's compare to physical reality?

[PlasmaAstralProjection]

A thought exercise, can you say true or false to this.
Travel 1000 miles east then 1000 miles north and follow this with five mins rest then go 1000 miles south.
Question, is it now possible to end up where you started from?

True.

Peace.

[Xanth]

And... after travelling all that way, will you be the same person? 

[PlasmaAstralProjection]

And... after travelling all that way, will you be the same person? 

I'll answer your question, if you answer Szaxx's question?

Peace.

[PlasmaAstralProjection]

Now that I have finally done what you said Xanth and took a step back I realize what went on. A lot of you (not all) either knowingly or unknowingly totally detract from my post. And whether I was staying on topic or not is irrevent. And this is for two reasons. One the original poster here Aaron liked my post, (this is his thread you know). Two, I am probably the only one that has kept this thread going for so long, and if I stopped this thread would be dying or at least wouldn't be very active.

Also it seems that most of you were not really interested at all if peak psychedelic experiences had anything in common with the pinnacle of the worlds meditative traditions. And to post whether or not I had accomplished anything was just another distraction from what I was trying to point out. One thing at a time guys, I will answer that, but this is not the time or context for it. Lets see if we can first learn something here from this, since it must rise or fall on it's own merits, and not mine or yours specifically. A reporter doesn't have to part take of doing an act they are reporting about for them to have respect. Only if what they present is true should they be given some respect, not if they part took with the report. So then if you are curious I will tell you what I have accomplished. But not now.

And deepspace it seems like you fell for what everyone else was doing. Your first post had nothing but good to say. While or second post took a huge turn for skepticism, and over what I have accomplished, to changing the topic, to talking about "other peoples theoretical accomplishments" that is a stark contrast to what your original post talking about "We know this state exists and I, like you definitely want to experience it." Why the change in tone all of the sudden deepspace as soon as you heard what others had to say?

Peace.

[Xanth]

I'll answer your question, if you answer Szaxx's question?

It wasn't a question to be answered... it was an answer to Szaxx's question. 

Now that I have finally done what you said Xanth and took a step back I realize what went on.

A solid few hours of perspective gaining thought... nice.  LoL
You've got a lifetime to reflect upon it. 

[PlasmaAstralProjection]

A solid few hours of perspective gaining thought... nice.  LoL
You've got a lifetime to reflect upon it.

What is that Russian your speaking, with a Ukrainian accent? I'm just letting you know this is not helping me, it's likely to make me think your even more out of touch than I originally thought. The people on the psychedelic forums will know what I am talking about more than you guys............... I would have expected more from this place.

[Astralzombie]

Plasma it seems as though you think you are the only one with the right to be condescending. You then went on to list your reasons as to why you had a right to hijack this thread and complained that others then went on to do the same.

I can't speak for deepspace and neither can he since this thread is now locked but you constantly belittled his opinions on achieving heightened states through meditation and AP yet he continued to engage in cordial dialogue with you. That shows great character as well as a great wit when he pointed out that it was you speaking other languages albeit English but it was the language of other drug experiencers.

You should have just thanked him for being cordial and reading your mega posts.

Please have no hard feelings and feel free to continue your thoughts on the Permanent Astral topic: Drugs.

[Szaxx]

So far...
Reply 27, superlative mindset. You remain open to all sides of debate. This allows deep discussions without the 'indoctrination runaway' starting a war.
Reply 29, good info here with understanding the indoctrination runaway
Reply 30, use of 'debate' is misinterpreted. Third world are no risk, look at the British empire a century ago to re-evaluate this. A universalist is open to everything and corruption is rife in this mindset. IMHO, indicates doubt based upon limited knowledge. (respect earned).
Reply 31, debate issue noticed, more respectful comments made.
Reply 32, ouch, niece at 15 with satanists, police involved. Another religious excuse for wackos. My sympathies soarin.
Reply 51, Any belief system will limit the truth.
Reply 52, comment made ' Yet your experiences and opinion is adds some value here, thanks for sharing.'
If everyone had this fixed in their mind would wars even start?
Reply 54, If there's a commonality it's worth investigating. DMT forces an experience, didn't Hitler use force?
Reply 55, note overpowering...
Reply 59, wirhin the quoted text of the experience, if this is the ultimate connection with God using chemicals, I'm sorry to say that it's nowhere near my personal maximum. This wonderful experience is a glimpse through the window into God. It's a far cry from the all with one true state. The information overload in a much higher state shows we as humans are like ants in the launchpad of a stellar craft. An ant may see the stars, it has no comprehension of the craft before it. Not a chance of understanding it's implications, use or design. The multi colour state is quite easy to reach. It's so difficult to leave, if you are emotionally challenged it could wreak havoc with your constitution. I have achieved this concious  state recently.
April 8
http://www.unlimitedboundaries.ca/forums/reference-material-t92-60.html
This took a half hour to achieve from making a decision whilst brushing my teeth.
I go here to feel good when the physical is grating me emotionally.
Never used any chemicals, they may serve a purpose for those with no experience. It's like a ride in a taxi, state your destination and go. It has a cost and your not the one in the driving seat.
YOU DONT HAVE CONTROL that is paramount to any experience. Be a leader, don't be led, look at religious indoctrination, see my point?
Reply 60, individualism in a nutshell, the commonality IS the important thing to seek.
Reply 61, misinterpreted I think to start with. You said ' An even better question is are people self aware in any of these states? Since it's not possible to be self-aware when at your source.' How do you personally know this, you may need to define 'your source' as the individual comes from the whole so cannot be yours period.
Reply 62, only bail if it's too much. The source itself from experience cannot be understood. The closer you get  the faster it operates until its imprinting a continuous stream of data that the human mind is no where near ready to interpret. Interpretation itself being a necessity for understanding chops up the data and you lose it's meanings instantly. We are NOT ready by eons for this mental activity. Ants again...