Relationships with spirit guides?

[Sagar]

To go into more depth about the question...
I've heard that spirit guides show up in OBE's/Astral Projections/Physical reality only when when you need advice or guidance, but does anyone have more of a friend-like relationship with their guides to the point where they go on adventures together even if it has nothing to do with guidance? 
It could be compared to going on a vacation/trip with a friend or something along those lines.   

[Fusions]

I tried to see them while dream often with no real big succes, some encounters with children that may have been guides only, I've been helped a few times when I asked to be pulled out of body and I heared their voices a bit, giving tips on how to position myself, if it was going to succeed or not or if I was already dreaming they told me I was.

[Sagar]

Thanks for the insight  Fusions

[Xanth]

I asked to see my guides many times... with varying results.

But the most recent time I did this (which was a couple years back now), there was a huge flash of white light which occurred.  A few seconds later as the light subsided then standing before me was this "Cousin It" looking creature.  It was at this point I woke.

I don't view guides as most people do.  To me, they're not these entities whose only job is to hang around to nudge and give guidance.  What they are is just the way that "consciousness" (which is everything) aims or seeks to help itself grow. 

[AAAAAAAA]

Yes. I'm friends with my guide. But in my experience, guides come and go as they please, so even if you ask to see your guide, he or she might be busy and may not be able to get to you right away. They chose to be your guide for a reason.

[Bluefirephoenix]

My guide keeps a friendly but strict teacher student relationship between us. There is a great deal of trust between us. I have seen him even though my visual abilities are not the greatest ( my hearing as I mentioned before is very strong)  He has me work with others at different times when he feels I would benefit from their instruction.

I know who this man was historically and had studied his work ( he was an alchemist and professional psychic from the 16th century) prior to his picking me up as a student.

I think the relationship depends on the team. You have assigned to you a guardian angel who can also guide you  but you have to get to the point of being able to reach him.  This being stays with you and will lead you to connection with the One. The relationship with angels I'm not an expert on by any means but it's not the same as a human relationship. .. a bit difficult to describe.

The channeling method I used with Frank is how I contacted and communicated with my guide. It's a matter of focus and opening your heart for communication in astral your not getting through because your either not open or not focused. Also the being could be right next to you and you still not see them again if your not open or operating on the wrong frequency for the perception

[AAAAAAAA]

Angels can have human bodies, though. Just like guides. The kind of relationship you have with angels and guides is entirely dependent on circumstances.

[urshebear]

ooooh memories of the person who was on the forums a short while a back claiming they have a sexual relationship with their guide Shadow the hedgehog and together they will destroy eggman.....no further comment

[Aaron330]

ooooh memories of the person who was on the forums a short while a back claiming they have a sexual relationship with their guide Shadow the hedgehog and together they will destroy eggman.....no further comment

I remember reading that months back when I first learned about Astral Projection and came on here looking to do some research. If it were not for all the wise, level-headed mods and others on here who balanced it out for me, I'm sure I would have left and never thought about AP ever again lol.

[Bluefirephoenix]

Wait a minute whose the eggman? LOL
All I can say is thank God for menapause and the death of libido.

[458id]

There are no spirit guides, lol

[Sagar]

What makes you say that 458id?  Just out of curiosity

[Dreamshards]

ooooh memories of the person who was on the forums a short while a back claiming they have a sexual relationship with their guide Shadow the hedgehog and together they will destroy eggman.....no further comment

I wonder if that was the same person who had a livejournal years ago claiming the same thing. This person claimed to have not only have a sexual relationship but a child with this spirit guide. Of course I thought she was psycho and trying to get followers, but funny enough she had a lot of people who believed her.

I don't believe in saying that anything can not exist. I myself believe in spirit guides, but a lot of us might have a different interpretation of where they came from and why they are there.

[Bluefirephoenix]

There is an entire group of people that claim this.  While I believe they're experiencing something I do not think they are engaging guides. They are possibly mediumistic and engaging thoughtforms fantasy forms they made.  Many of these people are lonley and have a misunderstanding of tantric yoga.
It perhaps can help aliviate that temporarily and even be useful in growth for a limited time. But a genuine guide who is interested in spiritual growth  will push their charge out of that mode as quickly as they can without hurting them or causing them to think that they're rejected.
Divine unity and " astral sex" are two different things. I think there is confusion over the two and until this past year I would have not understood the difference.
We have Crowley to thank for the confusion. He never quite transferred the thinking capacity from his small brain to his large brain.

[Szaxx]

The left hand path I presume.
Definately not my way.

[Bluefirephoenix]

Not all of them Some are along the Kenneth Grant lines. Some were women who had been badly hurt and felt safe... in this sense it might be healing. But I've also seen people seriously stall spiritually and it can interfere with a physical relationship which is also undesirable.

[Sagar]

How would they stall their spirituality?

[Bluefirephoenix]

The entities involved in these sorts of relationships are thoughtforms. They're not guides. Thoughtforms can help to a certain extent but eventually the progress will stall and the person will likely get into a rut. So perhaps in the short term it's not so bad but long term it can be a problem. The focus is on physical type sensation. This is one of the things that had to be broken during my initiation. Focus must be on the Divine.... period. anything less is not going to be helpful in the long run. If your not your looking for love and comfort from a source that cannot provide it for you. 

[Fusions]

The entities involved in these sorts of relationships are thoughtforms. They're not guides. Thoughtforms can help to a certain extent but eventually the progress will stall and the person will likely get into a rut. So perhaps in the short term it's not so bad but long term it can be a problem. The focus is on physical type sensation. This is one of the things that had to be broken during my initiation. Focus must be on the Divine.... period. anything less is not going to be helpful in the long run. If your not your looking for love and comfort from a source that cannot provide it for you. 

How do you look for the divine when your dreaming?

[Szaxx]

If you've never meditated then phased with a desire to feel the most powerful love possible, it's now time to do this.
If you succeed you will feel the source, you also may not want to return. You will of course and the feelings will stay in memory forever.

[Sagar]

So what you're saying is "they" are really just your higher self in the form of some type of guide? Thoughtform as in you think them up yourself?
And look for the divine as in greater your spirituality for the sake of being in oneness with the Source?

[Bluefirephoenix]

   Guides come from different places and usually have some kind of connection with the person. They're not just  a higher self. I've worked with a couple different people and angels as guides. The people I've worked with are historical individuals at least within the past milenium.

a thoughtform can be consciously made or be unconsciously formed. If you look this story up it gives a good example from an Eastern perspective which you seem to favor. http://www.deeptrancenow.com/paradigm.htm   Unconsciously made thoughtforms come from   personal desires and attachments.  It takes experience to tell the difference sometimes. A true guide will always encourage you to continue to move towards God and to be one with God. A thoughtform tends to want the attention drawn to it. It may help heal someone who is hurting. ... we get roughed up a bit living here I think. But ultimately if it does not teach to focus on God then it will not be helpful in the long run.

I steer away from yoga terminology as a rule. It's not culturally appropriate for those raised in the west and can create confusion. Now Buddism teaches that all spirits are thoughtforms created by us and that there is no afterlife pretty much. I disagree with that and that being from personal observation and not a book or second hand. I've seen what they're talking about and I think that the western perspective of God the Father is perfectly adequate to describe what is there.

[Fusions]

If you've never meditated then phased with a desire to feel the most powerful love possible, it's now time to do this.
If you succeed you will feel the source, you also may not want to return. You will of course and the feelings will stay in memory forever.

I certainly have tried with no succes, I am fascinated that others have had these experiences and I woudn't think such a thing was possible if I haven't heard it a few times.
Could you elaborate on the experience, and how many times you experienced it?

[Who Am I]

not in my experience.

I had my animal spirit guide (totem) show up only ONCE in one OBE. I haven't seen it since. I have seen it in dreams and stuff. but I think it was just to show me who she was, so that I would be more connected to self and know self on a level I never thought I would. best part about it is, it worked.