Mental/physical pain while trying to AP

[Astral_seeker]

Odd thing happened last night, can someone help me ?

I did a WBTB so I woke up at 4:30am, went to the bathroom and returned to bed to induce an AP (layed down on my back which is NOT my sleeping position and therefore is not very comfy for me).
I felt my body become strange but the bad thing that occured is that at some point IT HURT to remain in that position which is not natural for me.

As if there was a fight between my mind who wanted to sleep so bad and my body which couldnt rest in that non natural sleeping position.

So it REALLY became painful and since it became unbearable I turned over to my natural sleeping position and ofc fell asleep

Question : is that "fight" between my mind and my body something that on the contrary I should maintain in order to AP ?

Because obviously remaning on my back prevents my mind from falling asleep so it could be something good, but on the other hand physically it really hurt so I dont know if this is a good thing for my body.

Any help is welcomed, thanks

[Bluefirephoenix]

I have trouble doing anything flat on my back. I work trance in a recliner most of the time. The position is such that I won't fall asleep, but my back is is comfortably supported. Mental pain means something is buried there that needs healing. Get into trance and ask for divine help.

[Astral_seeker]

I have trouble doing anything flat on my back. I work trance in a recliner most of the time. The position is such that I won't fall asleep, but my back is is comfortably supported. Mental pain means something is buried there that needs healing. Get into trance and ask for divine help.

Thanks for your post

Cant have any recliner unfortunately.

About the healing part of your message, I'm flying to Peru in a shamanic retreat next month, so that might help.

Thanks

[Bluefirephoenix]

Que tenga un tiempo magnifico alla. Me gustaria ver el pais de Peru.   I also lay on my side. There are times when we work through the night if I have a particularly receptive period and am not too sleepy. I usually go on my side for those sessions. It depends on my focus that day as to whether or not I can do it without falling asleep. It's best to practice trance in a chair instead of trying to do it in bed. It was almost a year of chair practice before we started doing anything at night.

[Astral_seeker]

Que tenga un tiempo magnifico alla. Me gustaria ver el pais de Peru.   I also lay on my side. There are times when we work through the night if I have a particularly receptive period and am not too sleepy. I usually go on my side for those sessions. It depends on my focus that day as to whether or not I can do it without falling asleep. It's best to practice trance in a chair instead of trying to do it in bed. It was almost a year of chair practice before we started doing anything at night.

he he

I'm flying to Peru for a full month of Ayahuasca ceremonies (purpose : healing, which answers in some ways to your 1st reply)

Somebody advised me to wake up after 2 hours of sleep at night, go sit in my couch, turn on tv and zone out and try to AP. Worth a shot you think ?

[Bluefirephoenix]

Yup the trouble on nightshift is not going into phase out mode.  I would still practice during the daytime though. It's better to have your body trained to trance before trying to phase out. The natural tendency is to sleep..

[Astral_seeker]

Yup the trouble on nightshift is not going into phase out mode.  I would still practice during the daytime though. It's better to have your body trained to trance before trying to phase out. The natural tendency is to sleep..

So trying to AP during afternoon naps ?

[Sagar]

I used to have this happen.  I think its your mind trying to trick your body to move.  To test if you're asleep yet.  And it makes sense.  If you move, you're awake so it's not time to AP.  If you don't move long enough, then you must be asleep and ready to AP.  I'd get into the state you described and I noticed that if you don't move for long enough, the trance deepens. 
But don't fight anything    go with the flow and see if your trance deepens

[EscapeVelocity]

Trying to AP during an afternoon nap?

That's like one of the perfect times to try!

Your body can fall asleep, while your mind stays awake. Or, you come aware within a Lucid Dream.

It doesn't always work, but when it does, it feels almost too easy!

EV

[Sp3ctral Sh4dow]

I believe you were extremely close to Astral Projection! Before your body goes to sleep there are signals going to your brain whether you are awake or not so you can enter sleep paralysis, and these signals are commonly the urge to roll over, and most notably pain. This happened to me aswell and i mangaged to project twice like this, resisting any urges and the pain for ten minutes which feels like forever in bed but I eventually entered sleep paralysis and rolled out successfully.