First Astral Projection frome the waking state!!! Well need your opinion...

[soki]

Ok guys so I think I just succeeded in having my first astral projection from the waking state. I'll explain: I posted there's about 2 weeks about the mini dreams I get when I'm deep enough within myself. I begin to dream in my meditation if you will, I forget I'm trying to AP and I really am living the scene. Once I come back to my physical body I can't remember much, only seconds before I came back. Well it was before today. I can never remember when I was in my bed before getting there. Well again, it was before today.


While getting deeper and releasing my focus, allowing my mind to go towards the sleep state, I begin to see scenes in my inner vision. The more I get detached towards the physical, the more the scenes are getting reallistic and detailed, as if I was there but not totally. As if I'm watching it on a tv let's say. I am not there but I can see it. Where I am standing watching the tv is the physical, and what's going on inside the tv is the astral plane (or dream plane or whatever you wanna call it- I really adopted Xanth's vision on labels and now I don't know how to call things hahaha). It's exactly like visualising but it gets more detailed and everything. And then I get a little deeper while watching the scenes and then I'm in a ''dream''. That's how it's happening.


Earlier today at 4 o'clock I went in my bed to do an AP session. I got deep enough to see the scenes, and I'm getting better and better each time at maintaining them in my inner vision, without influencing them. I can, but it makes me stay awake and I don't get there. So I let things flow and I just watch. Then after a while I was in a place that really looked like the garage of the house in which I was working today with a friend (demolition job). All day long I had to fill bins with wood, floor pieces etc. I was getting downstairs with the bins and then was passing through the garage to go outside where the container was. To put all the wood equal in the container I was picking the pieces up and throwing them in it. So the garage in which I was represented the one I worked in today. The ''dream'' or AP (I don't know) lasted about 3 seconds. I was throwing a piece of wood like I was doing all day long in the garage door which was closed and that's it. When I threw the wooden piece my physical right arms twitched and I came back to my body. I realized what had just happened, and there was no forgetting about how I got there, I was suddenly there, but then I didn't remember I was trying to AP, I didn't know I had succeeded (did I?) and it ended. I didn't have my waking consciousness, I didn't know how I got there (nor did I think about it) it only happened. And then I was back. So after realising I tried a couple of times again (usually I can go back plenty times) but I was probably overthinking and decided to stop, I probably wouldn't be able to go back. Even if I didn't have my waking consciousness it definitely was something. I was here and then I was there. I didn't feel a single thing, no vibration, no energetic feeling, there was no noise, nothing. So I finally succeeded to phase somewhere. I would describe it more like the vision people have of a lucid dream, and I wasn't that lucid at all. But it happened from the waking state. It reinforces what Xanth is saying about labels. If we see it like some see it, I phased (well I really did). But I didn't have the same consciousness level people are talking about during AP's. Even if it was the same process as the one before an AP. Could someone tell me if it is what people are talking about when saying ''astral projection''?


I strongly advise you to read Xanth's thesis on labels. I begin to really understand what he's talking about when he says it's all the same. I think I did AP, I only lacked of consciousness during it. So I think lucid dreams and AP'S are all the same. It's only a question of getting the twist in being conscious. I'd like your opinion on this Xanth please! It didn't feel like I thought it would feel getting there but I'm still happy of my progress! And now I am sure I can go back at will, since I'm now really good at getting to the mini-dream state. Deepen your consciousness just a little while staying awake when you are there, and you will phase. If that's what I did!


It took me about half an hour to get to the mini dream stage, and 40 minutes to phase. I began the session at quarter to 4, and ended it at 4h38.

[Xanth]

My opinion?  My opinion is that you Projected. 

You speak about not having the same "consciousness level" as what other people talk about when they AP.  My opinion is that most people would then just go and label your experience a "Lucid dream", which is horribly inaccurate and somehow reduces the experience you had as "something less than desired".  That's a bad way to look at it.

As you know, I drop all those labels which people love to use.  It's great to see people giving that a shot, even if it's a temporary thing!  I know you'll find that as you progress you won't be able to fit your experiences into those neat little boxes... what I'm trying to do is giving you a 'blanket box' with which to use.  Box it up however you want after that.

In what you shared above, you projected with a "lucid awareness".  It was every bit a <insert random, subjective label here>, but the important part was that you had a lucid awareness.  It wasn't an astral awareness though, which would have included the same kind of awareness you have right now, BUT what we can say was that it was a non-physical experience.  There are only two kinds of experiences really: Physical and Non-physical.  Physical experiences are the ones you have during your waking life.  Non-physical experiences are experiences which happen in any reality which isn't this physical reality (actually, as you progress you'll quickly find that "physical" and "non-physical" are also horrible terms/labels to use LOL).

You're doing great!

[Kzaal]

Seems like a valid AP experience to me.
I did write a few times about projecting while awake.
Most of the time when I'm having awake projections, I feel very tired to begin with, then something catches my attention and I start staring at it but my eyes don't close, so I just start drifting away in my thoughts with the eyes opened.
Sometimes it feels like my surroundings gets bigger and smaller as if I was having hallucinations, I feel as if my body was also moving(gliding?) from the initial position to another one, even though I'm not moving. Then something either happens that is completely random or that is not something that you did. For example if you see a door open in front of you but there's no one then you suddenly come back to yourself and you see the door closed.
Or sometimes you just start thinking a lot in a matter of seconds (great ideas, very imaginative or inspirational about something, it can also be very intellectual).

The good part about waking projections is that they are sudden, and when they end, you can immediately write down what you have seen or imagined.
Sometime it's just funny stuff but you can still write it down and have a good laugh later on!

[soki]

Thank you very much for the answer Xanth! I'll keep working on it until I experience Astral awareness and can reach the state as often as I want. My goal is to be able to do it at will everyday if I want to. And I think I'm on the right track- well I hope! I'll keep you guys posted!

Edit (you answered while I was writing):
That's interesting Kzaal, I don't think I could do that! I'm in my bed, eyes closed when I'm practicing. Thanks for the answer!!!

[PlasmaAstralProjection]

Good job Soki, it looks like your well on your way to becoming a good astral projector. My experiernce was very similar to yours. Though I havn't been practicing as much as you. I just got images here and there no dreams like you. But I will continue and see what happens. I was surpised that I felt so much like I was phasing, or just moving inward. Quite a feeling.

[soki]

Thanks! Just allow yourself to go towards the sleep state. Keep watchin the scenes in your head and keep on going inward, release your attention more and more but don't forget to maintain the scenes. Don't create them, let them flow. You will see many scenes and then it will get clearer, and each scene will get more detailed and you will begin feeling closer to it. From watching the scene to playing in the scene that's how it feels like. You really are close that's for sure! What will happen as you practice is that you will begin losing track of what you were doing, you'll ''wake up'' from these minidreams without ever having slept. You won't be able to remember the mini-dream, and you will think you have fallen asleep. But you are getting closer. After that practice on staying more and more conscious in these mini-dreams, practice with the scenes in your head too, it's part of the same process. The scenes before the mini-dreams are now way more detailed and clearer than they were when I began experiencing them. Keep us posted please I'd like to read your experiences and if I can help don't hesitate to pm me! Good luck

[Szaxx]

Great work Soki, you're doing fine. These mini dreams will be easier to obtain if you're a little tired. They can be arrived at in less than a min once comfy and you can also create your own scene.
At present let them occur naturally and if you can have less sleep one night during the week. It only needs to be one hour. If you try this the mini dreams will start sooner. Your recall will improve with time, it does help if you're aware enough in a mini dream to pull out of it slowly remembering what took place.
I've experimented recently, sat in my car in a shopping center carpark and had around 10 minis in a few mins of being relaxed. I also had a false awakening at the end which wasn't part of the experiment. Its posted somewhere.
If you've only had a year or two of attempting to AP then your making good progress. If less than six months you'll find this easy and conscious projections will be available anytime.
Fast in and slow returns will improve your recall a thousand times.

[soki]

Good to know! Thanks!

[kuurt]

I don't get the mini dreams like you guys talk about.  Instead my awareness might shift after a while. It can sometimes take an hour.  And I experience the vibration stage which i can't seem to get past because it can be pretty intense.  Why do you think I don't experience the mini dreams?  Is it because I try to stop my thoughts completely?  I get to the point where I'm just relaxing into the nothingness without thinking. 

Also, with this mini dream method, does it allow you to bypass the vibrational stage? 

And can you reach "astral awareness" with this method, instead of just "lucid awareness"?

[Szaxx]

Its phasing and vibrations are not present at all for nearly everyone.
The final awareness is the same as in the physical or greater. It can be lower too during phasing out of the physical but keeping enough awareness of yourself is only required until you find yourself in some other environment.
Have read of some of the topics here.
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_astral_consciousness-b30.0/

The ones in darker blue are very helpful.

[Xanth]

I don't get the mini dreams like you guys talk about.  Instead my awareness might shift after a while. It can sometimes take an hour.  And I experience the vibration stage which i can't seem to get past because it can be pretty intense.  Why do you think I don't experience the mini dreams?  Is it because I try to stop my thoughts completely?  I get to the point where I'm just relaxing into the nothingness without thinking. 

Also, with this mini dream method, does it allow you to bypass the vibrational stage? 

And can you reach "astral awareness" with this method, instead of just "lucid awareness"?

The level of awareness you achieve is entirely up to you.