I started make progress again after watching Tom Campbell. Question about Void

[vstachu]

two weeks ago i came a cross Tom's videos and he basically confirmed what i was suspecting from quite some time (i needed out side confirmation) that you dont need work on chakras, you dont need vibrations, you dont need raise from body, you dont need sleep paralysis, you dont need specific amount of time to ap. Place, time, position it doesnt matter.
Everything is about what are my beliefs
This explains why Robert Bruce's 400$ program didnt work form me. I simply dont belief that i have to do all that chakras work or chanting for 24 hours ( which i did ) to proof my higher self that i really want ap ( like past 1,5 year of trying wasnt good enough proof ;p if we what to go this path ).
Unfortunately i started learning about ap from youtube videos and if you watch youtube 99% of ap videos contains all this old limiting beliefs 
So i stopped caring about vibrations, if my body is 100% relaxed. I sit in chair my head is not resting and i go much deeper than i ever been before. I didnt ap but i experience now many different levels of consciousness which i never experienced before, which is awesome.
I understand now why some people say that you dont go OUT of your body this is more inter exploration you go inwards and it actually feels for me like going more and more inside
Now i understand why Xanth said that you can ap standing on your head, i sat with cross legs on floor ( for test ) my back was straight  it wasnt comfortable i could feel my back but after some time i went deeper and deeper i wasnt aware of my back hurting any more when end and i brought back my awareness oh boy i could feel them ;p  Point is i can get to the same state on floor with my back hurting and when i sit in chair comfortably, Campbell can ap on one leg there is no reason why you couldnt ap upside down on your head. Position and physical relax is irrelevant

3 weeks ago i had ld i demanded full awareness now i immediately become much much MUCH more conscious so i knew what work i want to do i knew i need to be in my room ( doesnt matter why and what was my plan ) so i said i what to be in my room - nothing, i said when i turn around i will see my room - nothing, i found door i thought i will open doors and i will see my room - i opened doors nothing, i opened next doors and i see my body standing in front of me looking at me not moving, this scared sh* out of me it was ( then ) disgusting and creepy and i woke up.
After thinking about this amazing experience i realize ( i knew that before ) im not my body, im non physical, i dont need to be in my room its illusion anyway.

Over last 6 months im using phasing and noticing, watching hypnagogic imaginary 
Now knowing what i know i have questions.
Most of the time when you read about watching hypnagogic imaginary you see something like: watch shapes ,be passive ,then shapes become scenario and you being drawn into scenario. but why?
Tom Campbell said he is meditating then he is pure consciousness in black void and from that point he decide what he what to do healing remote viewing etc.
Why i have to be drown in to some random scene, i know now that this is illusion its pointless to appear on some random ship, its not pointless its unnecessary just like raising from body.
So perhaps this is another limiting belief because i expect something that will not appear just like vibrations
Now when i writing this its clear to me that people been drawn into scenarios because they identify themselves as body so they have to be somewhere, they cant be nowhere, just like raising from body if they expect to go out of the body they have to get out somehow or silver cord that "connect soul and body" 

I know that some people know what void im talking about 
how you recognize that you are in that void ? i assume that i never been in void so how do i know when im there
I understand that im asking about something that is hard to put into words  but if someone will take time and try i will really appreciate this

( im not making fun of or nagging people who beliefs that they need work with charkas etc if this work for you, perfect awesome )

-S

[Xanth]

how you recognize that you are in that void?

This might be difficult to explain, but imagine existing within nothingness.  There's no physical... no you... no anything... just black, everywhere, as far as you can experience. 

It's just the experience of nothing. 

That's the void.

Tom describes it as a reality without a data stream.

[ThaomasOfGrey]

Most of the time when you read about watching hypnagogic imaginary you see something like: watch shapes ,be passive ,then shapes become scenario and you being drawn into scenario. but why?
Tom Campbell said he is meditating then he is pure consciousness in black void and from that point he decide what he what to do healing remote viewing etc.
Why i have to be drown in to some random scene, i know now that this is illusion its pointless to appear on some random ship, its not pointless its unnecessary just like raising from body.

I know that some people know what void im talking about 
how you recognize that you are in that void ? i assume that i never been in void so how do i know when im there
I understand that im asking about something that is hard to put into words  but if someone will take time and try i will really appreciate this

Using visuals is just one method of changing your focus away from this reality. You are correct, it is not necessary and it can be counter productive for some people. I would still argue that using visuals can speed up the process; you want to be completely immersed in something that isn't related to this reality.

Getting to the state of the void from a pure meditation takes a long time in my experience. You will probably have little doubt about this state when it happens to you as it is somewhat distinct. You will find that the blackness has a mysterious 3d quality about it and the sensation is that you have lost all perception of this reality; you are only aware of being a consciousness in this space.

My attempts to project tend to skip all of these various focus states. I believe it is possible to go from 0 to 100 in no time at all if your focus is correct, not that I can do it yet.

I have recently been experimenting with more imagination run down based focuses. The difficulty I experience with these is distractions from this reality that pull your focus away from the run down. Some times I find it very difficult to return to run down, almost like there is some kind of mental strain involved and you get exhausted from driving the scenario.

A possible strategy to combat this is to use scenarios that are easily cemented in your mind so you always know what comes next. I don't know if this is an option for everyone but I have a good memory for TV shows that I like. Watching an episode in your mind seems to be a decent way to achieve a non physical focus. Anyone else have any experience with that kind of technique?

[Lumaza]

Getting to the state of the void from a pure meditation takes a long time in my experience. You will probably have little doubt about this state when it happens to you as it is somewhat distinct. You will find that the blackness has a mysterious 3d quality about it and the sensation is that you have lost all perception of this reality; you are only aware of being a consciousness in this space.

Many times there is a feeling/sensation of "hyper awareness" as well in this zone. That's why we always say "you will know it once you get there".

[fowlskins]

the void sounds like complete ego death
just being without identifying with anything and no external stimuli

[vstachu]

Thank you everyone for answers, really appreciate

Some times I find it very difficult to return to run down, almost like there is some kind of mental strain involved and you get exhausted from driving the scenario.

yea i know what you talking about i have same thing dont know what its is and why

A possible strategy to combat this is to use scenarios that are easily cemented in your mind so you always know what comes next. I don't know if this is an option for everyone but I have a good memory for TV shows that I like. Watching an episode in your mind seems to be a decent way to achieve a non physical focus. Anyone else have any experience with that kind of technique?

i tried that long time ago but i get caught into " what should be next " and i start to think to much, instead  i added my self into tv serial. i did that few min ago result was i held focus longer then usually but at the end scenario continue without me being conscious but i realize that when i brought my awareness back ( its like you woke up from unconscious dream and then u know that some stuff happened ) i had this twice in ~40 min. i dont know why i stop being conscious at the end.
Any idea ?

[ThaomasOfGrey]

i tried that long time ago but i get caught into " what should be next " and i start to think to much, instead  i added my self into tv serial. i did that few min ago result was i held focus longer then usually but at the end scenario continue without me being conscious but i realize that when i brought my awareness back ( its like you woke up from unconscious dream and then u know that some stuff happened ) i had this twice in ~40 min. i dont know why i stop being conscious at the end.
Any idea ?

Yes, the what comes next aspect can be a problem. I have been a bit of research on "Flow State" in relation to sports. The key to activating this state is to allow your subconscious to completely take over the action in question. I think this also fits when it comes to phasing exercises, you want to get to the point where it is driving itself, that is when you are totally immersed.

It is fairly easy to fall into that borderline sleep state and lose awareness. After enough attempts you will start to catch yourself when it happens. For me it is like the thought pattern changes into some vague rambling monologue and next thing you are gone for an indeterminate amount of time.

I am not certain what is going wrong when this happens. Perhaps it is necessary to maintain a more active and vivid awareness so you don't drift off into that ramble. I feel like if you are losing gaps of time, that those gaps are when you should be projecting if awareness was maintained. Any experts care to comment?

[Lumaza]

 

What should be next?

...is that you allow the scene to draw you deeper in. If it doesn't work the first time, do it again. This isn't a race. You have all the time you need. I remember reading once that it took Jurgen Ziewe almost 2 and half hours to start seeing the "other realms".

My first attempt of having a conscious OBE was using a simple candle burning technique that I found on YouTube. I would give you the link, but now the guy that has made it has added all kinds of unnecessary mumbo jumbo to it. When I first saw it, it was simply just staring at a lit candle and concentrating only on the top of the flame. You do this for about 15 minutes. Then you close your eyes and the "imprint" of the candle flame is still there. When I did this I soon felt violent vibrations and I heard a thunderous sound that sounded like a Helicopter was landing on my roof. It scared the "beejeebus" out of me, lol. But I couldn't wait to do it again.

The next times I practiced I used Binaural beats and progressive relaxation to get me relaxed and "in the zone". Then I would begin creating geometric shapes and things and finally that led to a full blown AP. This whole process took normally about 45 minutes to about an hour and 15 minutes to just get to seeing the 3d darkness period.

I then started experimenting with Light/Sound machines, geometric shape imaging, counting numbers, elevator and escalator imaging, basically all kinds of things. I used some of Robert Bruce's "NEW" techniques. I experimented with different things for 2-3 years. Last year I got side tracked by an illness. So, I needed to work on another way to still experience the other realms. This came through Dream Yoga. This was kind of forced on me though. As it turns out the illness became a blessing in disguise. It took me a long time to realize that though. It was quite a battle. It still is, but now I know how to handle it.

After a lot of experimenting I saw that every process I did had one thing in common. They all took my focus away from my physical body. So, I developed "the Doorway" based on my own experimentation through the years to help others. I wanted them to use their own imagination though and to create their own "program" for AP. Program is the right word because you are "entraining" yourself to do this. You are constantly reassuring yourself that this is okay and that this is "real".

Here is a link to "the Doorway". Try it as it is for a month. Then you can start creating anew. There are a number of "triggers" that are hidden in it. Also, I am giving a link to some of the best Binaural Beats I have ever heard. I just started using these ones recently after reading a post by Bluefirephoenix that had a link to another one of their youtube videos. Unfortunately these can't be downloaded using a youtube downloader. You can listen for free, but you have to pay a couple of dollar to download them to your MP3 player, etc. Oh, by the way Thank You Bluefire for the link. I have thoroughly enjoyed these and their LD induction videos are fantastic. I used one the other day to great success.

The Doorway: http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_astral_consciousness/the_doorway-t46013.0.html

YouTube Bin Beats/Isochronic tones: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TaK3c-jAiGw
Their home page: http://brainwavehub.com/

This one is very good as well: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIKPbVHc0vQ

[Szaxx]

It is fairly easy to fall into that borderline sleep state and lose awareness. After enough attempts you will start to catch yourself when it happens. For me it is like the thought pattern changes into some vague rambling monologue and next thing you are gone for an indeterminate amount of time.

I am not certain what is going wrong when this happens. Perhaps it is necessary to maintain a more active and vivid awareness so you don't drift off into that ramble. I feel like if you are losing gaps of time, that those gaps are when you should be projecting if awareness was maintained. Any experts care to comment?

Experts lol.
When this noisy state appears you need to fix your mind on yourself. Stay aware of yourself and you can either will sleep or stay with the noise. The noise is the whole thing, scenes I called minidreams and that windy rushing sound.
You may dip in and out of these a few times until some synchronized audio visual scene develops.
I tend to let it be and whatever appears, I go with the flow.
You're right on the time aspect. It can last days within the experience and hours is normal I find.
The losing time between them can be easier if you're not too tired. If very tired you'll not get to this stage.

[vstachu]

by "What should be next?" i meant what scene in tv show should be next this was relate to method ThaomasOfGrey mentioned.

It is fairly easy to fall into that borderline sleep state and lose awareness.

that explains why my head starts to lean then i immediately catch that im falling sleep

scenes I called minidreams

yea something was telling me that these are mini dreams