The Lost Thoughts.

[Kzaal]

Title says it all but I'm going to try and explain it.

Do you ever go to bed and feel like your train of thoughts is on something really big?
You are getting there, now you realize the truth not only about life but something bigger...
Then as soon as you hit the critical point and you know where it's going, you're consciousness already understood what it was all about.
Almost as if there was only 1 more thoughts to think about but then it rolls back. All your thoughts rolls back right before your eyes and your thoughts are back at the starting point.
Not even a trace of the subject which began this train of thoughts. Basically you are left with nothing and can't proceed to your ideas retrieval.
In the past year or so, I've been getting a lot of theses experiences when I'm going to bed, it's not a projection or anything close, I'm just laying down thinking about stuff to distract my mind before falling a sleep then this happens, and then I'm rolling in my bed trying so hard to find the beginning of those thoughts and eventually I give up and sleep instead.

Does this happen to you?
Did you find a way to counter it?
How?

[Szaxx]

Irritating isnt it?
You can ponder over an issue while awake for hours and the jigsaw doesn't get many pieces added. You drift off into deep thought and lots of things start to fit nicely. You then almost work it all out and this stirrs an emotion. Instantly you wake and the whole thought process with its answers fades away the same as waking from a dream.
No retrieval seems possible. Aaaarrrrgggghhhh! you cry internally.
Stop there, its in your subconscious and it is retrievable.
Work it again slowly and the pieces appear. Not all of them and not in any order, note them and look at the whole picture.
If you're building something mentally wirh this thought process and lose it. Actually build the something, the memories do return out of nowhere at times.
Yeah, frustration needs to be put away. Easier said than done.

[Kzaal]

Irritating isnt it?
You can ponder over an issue while awake for hours and the jigsaw doesn't get many pieces added. You drift off into deep thought and lots of things start to fit nicely. You then almost work it all out and this stirrs an emotion. Instantly you wake and the whole thought process with its answers fades away the same as waking from a dream.
No retrieval seems possible. Aaaarrrrgggghhhh! you cry internally.
Stop there, its in your subconscious and it is retrievable.
Work it again slowly and the pieces appear. Not all of them and not in any order, note them and look at the whole picture.
If you're building something mentally wirh this thought process and lose it. Actually build the something, the memories do return out of nowhere at times.
Yeah, frustration needs to be put away. Easier said than done.

Worst part is that I've tried so many times, I've been having these train of thoughts almost for a year now and even tho (like when you just forgot you had to do something important) I try to go back in my steps and everything. Even calmly without much thoughts about it, it completely vanishes.
I tried changing the subject, sometimes it's totally random thoughts that generate that train of thought. Sometime it happens twice a night and as soon as I stand up to pick up a notepad it's already gone.
It's even more annoying since I know it's always something about the astral or the spiritual realm. It almost feels like it's something either I shouldn't know or that my consciousness doesn't want me to know. How annoying...
And it's always something that looks amazing and a perfect thought...

I'd need to interrupt it before it reach the peak and try to note it as fast as I can but I never know when it's gonna be the right one.
Sometimes you just think about stupid stuff and it's not worth writing down at all. But this one seems to be someway stupid then it evolves into something incredible and BAM! It's gone again.

[EscapeVelocity]

Excellent description of this type of experience Kzaal! I've never quite been able to put it into words, but you have it well described. I have had it for several years now and think of it as a purely mental progression, a different type of experience to Astral, but still part of the NP.

You observe this untranslated, yet distinct progression of thoughts and it is like just as you reach the final thought, they all dissolve into the background; like a house of cards, that final card causes them all to crumble. Like Szaxx says, I have managed to reconstruct them somehow instinctively up to a point, but yes, it feels random and so out of order that I get nothing out of that; so far. And it does sometimes stir an emotion somehow/someway...great point Szaxx!

And yes, I get the temptation to interrupt the process early on and try to write something down, but I know that it will ruin the entire experience; so, I finally filed it away as a subconscious or superconscious mental exercise that needs to just happen on its own; when the time is right for my participation then maybe I will be more involved.

Great topic Kzaal.

[Lumaza]

 The same could be said when you are just lying down contemplating things like let's say making a new thread or answering another question posted by another member here or it could be an important revelation you have come to. You have the answer, it sounds great in your mind. You walk out to your computer to type it and it's gone, lol, or you go to write down whatever the "revelation" was and it's gone. You have drawn a blank. I just blame it on my age though! 

The same can be said with Dream recall though. You awaken in the morning just after having an incredible Dream adventure. You are thinking about it and it's meaning. You go to pull out the Dream journal and you draw a blank. That entire adventure or message of that adventure is all of a sudden gone.

[Szaxx]

Aha, were not on our own lol.
I think my initial experience with this was in the 70's.
I'd have an idea, sleep on it, work it out and lose the lot.
Today, its recoverable if I require the train of thought in the afternoon. So I only use it the night before.
It works to some effect.
There's been a number of experiences that have supplied 'information' that I've not been permitted to recall, or that's how I interpreted it. You're left only with a knowledge of knowing that I understood it and no more. That's irritating and a half.
If you can work out so much and slowly return to the waking world you'll recall far more. The whole thing takes longer, you recall stages far better if YOU stay in control.

Another way of looking at it is, you're on a train with no ticket or cash.
Do you stay the journey and get caught then imprisoned or get off at the next stop and tell they guard you're travelling in the wrong direction and need the other line?

[Lumaza]

There's been a number of experiences that have supplied 'information' that I've not been permitted to recall, or that's how I interpreted it. You're left only with a knowledge of knowing that I understood it and no more. That's irritating and a half.

That defines what I call my "download/upload" experiences. There is a transfer of information, but it's only being understood at a higher conscious level. In the morning I vaguely remember the "symbols", but not enough to recall the entire script per say. I definitely know when the episode occurs though. That much I can recall. It feels like a incredible surge of energy is firing into my head when it happens.
...and yes not being able to understand it on this current "mental" level is "irritating and half"! 

[Kzaal]

The part which annoys me the most is the feeling that you understood it and then you can't recall a single thing yet it was pleasant. It's really deep in the sense that every time I enjoy things in life, I won't lose the memory of it instantly like this, it takes a long time.

How can something so pleasant be forgotten in such a short matter of time.
Too much information download perhaps?
And in all that, these thoughts don't even feel complex, they're just so logical that I feel stupid every time I can't remember it.

[Lumaza]

The part which annoys me the most is the feeling that you understood it and then you can't recall a single thing yet it was pleasant. It's really deep in the sense that every time I enjoy things in life, I won't lose the memory of it instantly like this, it takes a long time.

How can something so pleasant be forgotten in such a short matter of time.
Too much information download perhaps?
And in all that, these thoughts don't even feel complex, they're just so logical that I feel stupid every time I can't remember it.

I believe that if it was "forgotten", that your consciousness had a good reason for "blanking/wiping" it out. Perhaps the new "revelation" would get in the way of your physical life experience here.

I always try to look for a "silver lining" in things because there seems to always be one. It's just that sometimes it's so hard to find it!  

[Kzaal]

I believe that if it was "forgotten", that your consciousness had a good reason for "blanking/wiping" it out. Perhaps the new "revelation" would get in the way of your physical life experience here.

I always try to look for a "silver lining" in things because there seems to always be one. It's just that sometimes it's so hard to find it!  

This is what I was also thinking about... There's definitely some kind of higher wisdom/knowledge that we can't get in this physical life. Perhaps you "Unlock" the permanent memory of it when you actually die... Either way it seems really like a revelation like you said.
You can't remember unless you're ready to go "All-in".
The weird part is that a lot of people get this experience, I didn't think this thread would've got that many answers but wow.
It's really out there.
Sometimes you get even more proofs that there's something we can hope for in the after life and this is one of those times where I'm happy to have experienced it.
I wanna see where this is going.
And yet, I'm here and I find the time so long to pass! In some way I'm very intrigued and enthusiast about what's to come.

[Szaxx]

I can see an instant hindrance here. All of you believe you need to write things experienced.
I've never done this, I'll wait until later and when the triggers occur make a mental note.
I had another of these last night. I was shown something about EMF creation and all I can recall at present is I understood most of it and orangy yellow odd shaped disc like scrambled eggs on a plate. This is enough to recall more later. Where the eggs came from I've no idea but the subconscious vault gave me this as a code of entry. No writing anything as I learned it doesn't work. Recalling a feeling helps far more, getting a key like the eggs, is what to look for. I hope the rest unfurls over time.

[Kzaal]

I can see an instant hindrance here. All of you believe you need to write things experienced.
I've never done this, I'll wait until later and when the triggers occur make a mental note.
I had another of these last night. I was shown something about EMF creation and all I can recall at present is I understood most of it and orangy yellow odd shaped disc like scrambled eggs on a plate. This is enough to recall more later. Where the eggs came from I've no idea but the subconscious vault gave me this as a code of entry. No writing anything as I learned it doesn't work. Recalling a feeling helps far more, getting a key like the eggs, is what to look for. I hope the rest unfurls over time.

Not that much, really what I want above all is to actually remember it. If I can write it down it's better but if I can remember it with ease then I don't have any need for it. Having a blank is annoying.

[Szaxx]

I've recalled a few, they involved a circuit I wanted to create that was stable. I was 'given' one thats not in text books and it used an audio transistor not designed to operate at VHF. It worked first build.
My intent on remembering it was immense. I wonder if that's a key. I also built it from memory.

[SleepyHollow]

I can see an instant hindrance here. All of you believe you need to write things experienced.
I've never done this, I'll wait until later and when the triggers occur make a mental note.
I had another of these last night. I was shown something about EMF creation and all I can recall at present is I understood most of it and orangy yellow odd shaped disc like scrambled eggs on a plate. This is enough to recall more later. Where the eggs came from I've no idea but the subconscious vault gave me this as a code of entry. No writing anything as I learned it doesn't work. Recalling a feeling helps far more, getting a key like the eggs, is what to look for. I hope the rest unfurls over time.

I'm going to work on recalling my dreams more as others have suggested, but I like what you're saying about not writing things down. I feel like it's the process of recalling while writing that is important, not the writing itself. It's kind of like the writing becomes like a log book of accomplishments, to be able to hold up and point to all these things I did, or be able to tell other people what I did, on this forum or elsewhere. But recording them and bragging about them isn't what it should be about, and for me I think I would keep falling into that trap if I'm not careful. I think I'd rather forget some of it than fall into that trap. And really, outside of the physical world, can we really write things down and dig them up later? Should we learn to be dependent upon writing everything down?

[Lumaza]

It's kind of like the writing becomes like a log book of accomplishments, to be able to hold up and point to all these things I did, or be able to tell other people what I did, on this forum or elsewhere. But recording them and bragging about them isn't what it should be about, and for me I think I would keep falling into that trap if I'm not careful. I think I'd rather forget some of it than fall into that trap.

It's supposed to be a "personal log" for your eyes only, unless of course you are writing a book. Then it would be known as valued research.

[Szaxx]

There's no trap, I've been blessed with a good memory and the recall at times is perfect. Another note is I find reading my writings requires a degree in cryptology lol.
Improving recall can be made easier if you also remember how you were feeling at the time. Include touch, taste and anything from your senses you have available. This makes it far better. You could have tasted something and not remembered much but the taste. How did it feel to the touch, was it pleasant to smell? Things like this help your recall. You'll find any telepathic info very difficult to write down. It's another reason why writing isn't my first choice, forming triggers is the best thing for me. It may work for others but not everyone.

Don't think of traps or any negative perceptions. Some people can recall more if they tell others first. Questions get asked and this triggers more memories as the thought train is altered from the questioning.

Keeping a log is a good idea as Lumaza suggests. You can see traits or even improvements you made. If you forget what these were you have a means to recall them.
Grab what memories you can as items ( triggers) and write these down. Once done you can expand on them and put them in order. This will aid you too. I actually do this when recalling adventures before posting them. At times they add to it where the memory had been lost.

[EscapeVelocity]

Keeping a Dream/NP Experience Journal over the last 8 years has been of great benefit for me in several ways. One unexpected way was my first experience with what Monroe described as a Rote: a 'thought bundle/packet' that can remain energetically within your proximity for up to years unnoticed, and when you somehow tap into it, a lengthy and complex memory can literally download for you, like clicking on a compressed file.

In my Fieldtrip experience, the original memory was from 2011 and only a few sentences that I wrote in the middle of the night to try and anchor the memory. It was 2 and a half years later that I came across the notes and decided to lie down and meditate on the event, where the bulk of the memory inexplicably downloaded for me which resulted in an experience which reached far beyond my original notes and was invaluable to advancing my understanding.

[Fourthdimension]

I've had something similiar. Sometimes I would be asleep but awake at the sametime and someone would be talking to me in my head- maybe it's just a string of my own thoughts but it feels external to myself, as if i'm being talked to, i reply in my head and at that time everything seems to fit together and i feel like i've found something life changing and then when i open my eyes, all the thoughts are gone and what i do remember makes no sense.

Is this the samething that you guys are talking about?

[Kzaal]

I've had something similiar. Sometimes I would be asleep but awake at the sametime and someone would be talking to me in my head- maybe it's just a string of my own thoughts but it feels external to myself, as if i'm being talked to, i reply in my head and at that time everything seems to fit together and i feel like i've found something life changing and then when i open my eyes, all the thoughts are gone and what i do remember makes no sense.

Is this the samething that you guys are talking about?

It did happen to me a few times, but we were talking about when you start thinking about something and then all the pieces of the puzzle start fitting together then it collapse and you can't remember what you thought in the first place to make this happen.
It's as if you were starting to theorize about something and you were actually finding something extremely important but you forgot all about it.
Not really about receiving voices or anything, just yourself thinking and listening to your own thoughts