Mental stability at the crossover

[ThaomasOfGrey]

Hey guys,

I have been having some promising results with my projection attempts this past week. I have been making my attempts during the 5 to 10 minute meditation period after the rounds of Wim Hof breathing. You can get quite deep fairly quickly this way.

It usually happens in one of two ways - I almost always get hit by this way first; I briefly lose track of my thoughts and find myself in a barely resolved dream. For example I might find myself having a conversation with my partner, or on another occasion I felt her tapping my knee. At this point I realize that she isn't actually home and I must have started dreaming.

After this first jolt I know I am deep enough to cross over so I will sometimes play with some scenario visualization. The crux point comes suddenly; where I start to feel the physical state of the subject I am imagining, usually with a rapid acceleration.

The trouble is that without fail as soon as I recognise that something has happened the experience ends abruptly. Is there anything I can do differently to try and get deeper into these experiences without them aborting?

[Lumaza]

Is there anything I can do differently to try and get deeper into these experiences without them aborting?

Yes, leave your "analytical mind" behind and enjoy the experience. Passively observe everything with just a "air of curiosity". There will be plenty of time to question it later. In other words, loose yourself in the moment! 

[EscapeVelocity]

The trouble is that without fail as soon as I recognise that something has happened the experience ends abruptly. Is there anything I can do differently to try and get deeper into these experiences without them aborting?

Lumaza is giving you an excellent, concise definition of the required mindset; it can be a delicate balance at certain points within the experience; I should know, I still screw up left and right, lol.

One thing I have learned is that if your experiences are aborting repeatedly right at the beginning, then this is a signal that you are getting too far ahead of yourself and you are missing noticing something about the immediate surroundings...and it's one of several seemingly simple but significant tests put before you by your higher self/guide. I would say that you have already passed the first two tests; the third test I've seen before and gets some people stuck (including me a long time ago); it is such a subtle thing...you will get it figured out.
Welcome back to school!!

[ThaomasOfGrey]

Thanks guys, I figured this would probably come down to becoming familiar with the art of passive observation. I have been trying to do it but I don't think I have gotten the hang of it yet.

I am curious though, what is it about the analytical mind that causes these experiences to abort. I have learned first hand that thinking of the body will end the experience, but it almost seems as if the mere realization that another reality is being experienced is enough to destroy it.

Sometimes I am guilty of thinking too much when I realize I am in a lucid dream. With the mini dreams I get from phasing it feels like I have only just become aware and before I even have a chance to think it is over.

If I had to guess I would venture that it is related to brain waves somehow, that acute focus of the mind might alter them in some incompatible way during the transition period. I know that people who are lucid dreaming do experience brain waves typical of the waking state while they sleep.

Is it never possible to achieve the acute focus without destroying the experience or is this something that only needs to be tackled during the delicate transition?

[EscapeVelocity]

I think, and I admit I am partially writing from experience, but also speculating, that our early experiences can be terminated for a number of reasons; the challenge is for each of us to figure out our own personal obstacles.

It can be learning the art of passive observation; it can also quickly move into the art of actively engaging or a balance of the two. It occurs to me that the balance of these two evolves as a somewhat instinctively learned skill; I don't pretend to fully understand how I have progressed in this area, except to recognize that I think I have.

Early on it may well be a function of the analytical mind and the instantaneous application of which, may disrupt and abort the experience before the "basis" of the NP experience has been established sufficiently.

To answer your question Thaomas, Yes it is possible to achieve an acute focus without destroying the experience; in fact, your focus and analytical ability, as well as the environment visited can become Reality+, or Supra-Real. Telepathy, clairvoyance, accelerated thinking/processing, and other aspects I can't yet find words for. In experiences such as these, my mindset is sometimes stronger than Physical in certain ways (and sometimes weaker in other ways) and yet there is no concern with somehow aborting the experiences.

Again, I will stress that you have made successful transitions; now, part of your challenge may be to alter part of your thinking and pay attention to the new environments you find yourself within and what they may have to teach you.

I like the way you analyze your experiences.

EV

[Lumaza]

 "Balance", this is the prefect word for those that wish to delve deeper into conscious projection.

You ask why it is that when you become aware that your session or experience just ends, especially via a Lucid Dream. Well, what happens when you become aware? You think of this reality, but also of your "physical self" Your physical self is also your physical body. So, in a way, you have returned your focus back to this reality, instead of staying engaged in the other.

I have had this problem as well and yes it led to blocks. I needed to learn how to "stay" in the moment. Anchoring worked, but only so much. What really worked was to completely "immerse" myself in the scenario or plot at hand. I knew I was Dreaming, there were DTs (Dream Triggers) all over my experiences. But I mentally noted them without destroying my focus on the scene at hand. Hence the word "balance" is appropriate. That's why I always say there is plenty of time to question it afterwards.

Now looking at this from a conscious Phase session, balance is still needed. Yes you have a intended destination or target let's say. But you can still immerse yourself in the act. Example you find yourself on a Island. Go explore what you can find. Hey there's a cave. What's in it? Go explore. I'm not going to question whether it's real or not, meaning, I'm not engaging a "analytical mind". My mindset then is "curiosity". Curiosity alone is enough to totally immerse and engage you further into a scene.

This also stops "flitting around", which is another problem people have. They finally project and find themselves all over the place. I did that as well until finally a Guide (my deceased Brother inlaw) just appeared and told me to calm down and just observe. He then became a regular in many of my experiences and taught me many different "skills" I would need to "navigate", understand and gain some form of control over my experiences. Then one day, he wasn't there anymore. I wish he had showed up again because I wanted to show respect and thank him. But I guess he moved on to his next challenge.

Balance comes with practice. You don't need that kind of balance to just experience the Astral. That can be done with a simple shift of focus, like that created by the "Candle Burning" technique. Balance is needed when you wish to "stay" there for a period of time.

[ThaomasOfGrey]

To answer your question Thaomas, Yes it is possible to achieve an acute focus without destroying the experience; in fact, your focus and analytical ability, as well as the environment visited can become Reality+, or Supra-Real. Telepathy, clairvoyance, accelerated thinking/processing, and other aspects I can't yet find words for. In experiences such as these, my mindset is sometimes stronger than Physical in certain ways (and sometimes weaker in other ways) and yet there is no concern with somehow aborting the experiences.

Again, I will stress that you have made successful transitions; now, part of your challenge may be to alter part of your thinking and pay attention to the new environments you find yourself within and what they may have to teach you.

I like the way you analyze your experiences.

EV

That is brilliant; I am eager to experience the "unshackling" of the mind in Reality+, it is a large part of the reason AP excites me. I realized in my afternoon session today that I am being too controlling. Even the notion of the kind of experience I want to have being on my mind is blocking the experiences I could have. When I switched off my desire and truly went into a passive mode I saw more vibrant electo lights than usual and I did have a number of short phases.

This is encouraging, thanks for the advice.

"Balance", this is the prefect word for those that wish to delve deeper into conscious projection.

You ask why it is that when you become aware that your session or experience just ends, especially via a Lucid Dream. Well, what happens when you become aware? You think of this reality, but also of your "physical self" Your physical self is also your physical body. So, in a way, you have returned your focus back to this reality, instead of staying engaged in the other.

I have had this problem as well and yes it led to blocks. I needed to learn how to "stay" in the moment. Anchoring worked, but only so much. What really worked was to completely "immerse" myself in the scenario or plot at hand. I knew I was Dreaming, there were DTs (Dream Triggers) all over my experiences. But I mentally noted them without destroying my focus on the scene at hand. Hence the word "balance" is appropriate. That's why I always say there is plenty of time to question it afterwards.

Now looking at this from a conscious Phase session, balance is still needed. Yes you have a intended destination or target let's say. But you can still immerse yourself in the act. Example you find yourself on a Island. Go explore what you can find. Hey there's a cave. What's in it? Go explore. I'm not going to question whether it's real or not, meaning, I'm not engaging a "analytical mind". My mindset then is "curiosity". Curiosity alone is enough to totally immerse and engage you further into a scene.

This also stops "flitting around", which is another problem people have. They finally project and find themselves all over the place. I did that as well until finally a Guide (my deceased Brother inlaw) just appeared and told me to calm down and just observe. He then became a regular in many of my experiences and taught me many different "skills" I would need to "navigate", understand and gain some form of control over my experiences. Then one day, he wasn't there anymore. I wish he had showed up again because I wanted to show respect and thank him. But I guess he moved on to his next challenge.

Balance comes with practice. You don't need that kind of balance to just experience the Astral. That can be done with a simple shift of focus, like that created by the "Candle Burning" technique. Balance is needed when you wish to "stay" there for a period of time.

You are right. After reading this post I understand that somehow my acute focus is defaulting to this reality instead of defaulting to the other reality. In William Buhlman's book he says that you want to maintain an attitude of 100% emotional and mental embracement of any and all new non physical phenomenon. This borders on trying too hard for me in practice, it does lack the balance.

I have managed to cement myself in realities by physical means briefly, but you are correct, I tend to panic when I become aware. I think it is because I understand how easy it is to mess up.

Calm down and observe is the mindset I need to establish. I will put my intent on this. I would love to pick up some tips from a guide of my own. Typing this just now I remembered that I did get advice from a character in a dream this morning, but I didn't recognize them. Thanks guys, I think everyone can learn a lot from these posts!

[Rakkso]

I checked the Wim Hof method, sounds like you already have plenty of control, and what Lumaza said is definitely the asnwer, I'll be definitely trying to cross that tresshold of lucidness too, I been on the same frustation boat too, believe me. xD
Barely last night I took a nap and woke up and when I went to sleep again, I had this nightmare I've had for weeks or months long, and then  lots of voices were heard but they were not bad, but I woke up, I wanted to thank them all for giving me a new headache that woke me from the previous realms. I certainly need to analyze experieces better.

Anyway, I just wanted to say you'll get wherever you want, you may just dont know it yet.