Is the vibration phase the only way to AP

[serge]

Sorry folks,
I am pretty sure that this question had been beaten to death, but I would still hope to get an opinion from the most experienced projectors. I am in the process of reading Robert Peterson's book on OBEs and he follows Robert Monroes' prescriptions to the letter, which is to seek and achieve a state of vibrations, roaring sounds, etc. My question is this: I think that I have astral projected a few times in early morning lucid dreams. My experience was that I could fly on demand to places that I had never seen in my waking life. I met people who looked like my presence there was not out of the ordinary. I noted that in the astral I was remembering people, places and events that I had been part of in my dreams. Am I astral projecting or am I lucid dreaming? How does one know the difference.

[Bluefirephoenix]

No I don't vibrate  at all when I'm doing AP or lucid dreaming. I tend to vibrate at different times as I become sensitive to energy surges and movment in my body.

Right now I'm working on using phasing as a way of adding to my remote viewing work so I have a target when I'm working with it.

This is a lot of fun to work with BTW. You go to focus 10 then try to find and describe the target.

[Xanth]

Sorry folks,
I am pretty sure that this question had been beaten to death, but I would still hope to get an opinion from the most experienced projectors. I am in the process of reading Robert Peterson's book on OBEs and he follows Robert Monroes' prescriptions to the letter, which is to seek and achieve a state of vibrations, roaring sounds, etc. My question is this: I think that I have astral projected a few times in early morning lucid dreams. My experience was that I could fly on demand to places that I had never seen in my waking life. I met people who looked like my presence there was not out of the ordinary. I noted that in the astral I was remembering people, places and events that I had been part of in my dreams. Am I astral projecting or am I lucid dreaming? How does one know the difference.

Read this: http://www.unlimitedboundaries.ca/2012/07/22/labeling-experiences-of-the-non-physical/

Forget about labels.  Just "Project".

[Lumaza]

Sorry folks,
I am pretty sure that this question had been beaten to death, but I would still hope to get an opinion from the most experienced projectors. I am in the process of reading Robert Peterson's book on OBEs and he follows Robert Monroes' prescriptions to the letter, which is to seek and achieve a state of vibrations, roaring sounds, etc. My question is this: I think that I have astral projected a few times in early morning lucid dreams. My experience was that I could fly on demand to places that I had never seen in my waking life. I met people who looked like my presence there was not out of the ordinary. I noted that in the astral I was remembering people, places and events that I had been part of in my dreams. Am I astral projecting or am I lucid dreaming? How does one know the difference.

I have read Robert Peterson's book as well. One thing about him is he does not regard Lucid Dreams, OBEs and Phasing to be the same thing. He is still using the "old school" OBE format to teach. There's nothing wrong with that though.

Many people seem to confuse the onset of vibrations which are the prickly skin and light tingling with the actual "earthquake" like vibrations one "MAY" experience during a actual shift. I see this time and time again. I put "MAY" in large letters because some people don't experience any vibrations at all and even if you did the first time, you might not the second, third, fourth, etc.

Here is a thread to help you see many of the exit symptoms and signposts that "could" or "might" occur.
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_out_of_body_experiences/exit_symptomssignposts-t46206.0.html

I like Robert Peterson's take on imagination and having a "imaginary day". I have used that section as reference here on the Astral Pulse in the past.
My "Doorway" technique is built on that premise as well and works very good for "some" people. You will see the words may, could, some, being used quite a bit here because not all people experience the same thing. Sure there are commonalities, but in the threads you read here on the Astral Pulse you will find differences as well.
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_astral_consciousness/the_doorway-t46013.0.html

The one thing all of these techniques have in common is they all try to help you to create a strong "non physical" focus and hold it. Tom Campbell told me via email a couple of years ago that the "other realms" are just a simple shift away. We just have to get out of the way and "allow" it to happen". Getting out of the way sounds simple, but in practice can be very difficult. All our lives we have been "all in" on this physical reality. We have had control over our body and it's functions. To successfully AP, we need to relinquish control and just trust.

Tom's videos and lectures are very long. But they are excellent and I feel they are a must see for new members. They help you see and understand a new mindset.  But in the end, you "must" prove it all true for yourself.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0FuXKHzE2c

I use and have been using daily "etheric exercises to disassociate myself at will from my physical body. It took a few years of daily work, but now it is paying off. You get back from this practice what you put into it. People that put a weekend or a couple of weeks into this will get a "taste" of what's yet to come, but that's about it. If you are "serious", then the "other realms" will teach and help you learn more.

[serge]

Thanks Bluefirephoenix, Xanth and Lumaza for your kind advices.

I am glad to hear from you that a physical trance step is not a requirement for AP. I was hoping it would  indeed not be necessary. But I was also wondering whether by considering lucid  dreams  as  OBEs I was not missing the big picture. I will follow your hints. Lumaza, I found useful the reference to your thread on vibrations.

On the subject, last night I revisited John Magnus Astral Projection (exit techniques), which by the way, at my level appears as one of the best books on the subject if not the best. On page 155 John makes the case that astral projection is  a shift in awareness. Body asleep+ mind awake willing itself out of the body. To me John's suggestion that the hypnagogic state is a favourable time to "will oneself" into the astral world resonate particularly well since my only success in AP occured at that conjecture.

[Lumaza]

I am glad to hear from you that a physical trance step is not a requirement for AP. I was hoping it would  indeed not be necessary. But I was also wondering whether by considering lucid  dreams  as  OBEs I was not missing the big picture. I will follow your hints. Lumaza, I found useful the reference to your thread on vibrations.

On the subject, last night I revisited John Magnus Astral Projection (exit techniques), which by the way, at my level appears as one of the best books on the subject if not the best. On page 155 John makes the case that astral projection is  a shift in awareness. Body asleep+ mind awake willing itself out of the body. To me John's suggestion that the hypnagogic state is a favourable time to "will oneself" into the astral world resonate particularly well since my only success in AP occured at that conjecture.

A trance step helps you create a deeper focus.

You can consider OBEs and LDs any way you want. Just because those here say LDs and OBEs are the same thing, doesn't mean you need to. This is why it is so important to find out for yourself. Tom Campbell said that often. He gives his theory of everything, but it's up to you to create own and "prove" it to yourself.  Even though I agree that they are all "non local states of consciousness", I see them as leading to completely different perceptions and even areas or platforms of "otherwhere". Kurt Leland explains this very well. Just do a Google search on his name. He seems to see to experience things the way I do.

The "mind awake/body asleep" phrase is preached and quoted by many AP authors. I read John Magnus's book as well and see he has a very simple take on this. Go with it. Like I said, find someone that you agree with.

This entire practice has to deal with one thing, one goal and that is learning how to achieve a on non physical focus while consciously aware. How you do that is up to you. That's why there are so many different techniques be found here on the Astral Pulse.

[serge]

]Thanks Lumaza for your advice.
ON LD vs AP I was hoping to get a clear cut answer from this group. There is such a range of opinions in the literature and on the web with respect to the nature of  Astral experience,... my hope was a bit naive. Sorry.
  I try  however not to close my expectations about anything.
If there is a difference in the depth of focus between LD and AP, I will have to find out eventually. What I believe to sound right, at this stage of my  learning is, as you say, that it is important to find my own truth about all this. My general (philosophical) feeling is that the Astral is a world with its own rules  ( it may be a state of mind) therefore "affirmations" (as Robert Peterson calls them) are likely to be a major factor is astral exploration.
I have ordered Kurt Leland's book "Multidimensional human (I think)", as you suggested. Thanks again for your wisdom.

[Lumaza]

]Thanks Lumaza for your advice.
ON LD vs AP I was hoping to get a clear cut answer from this group. There is such a range of opinions in the literature and on the web with respect to the nature of  Astral experience,... my hope was a bit naive. Sorry.
 I try  however not to close my expectations about anything.
If there is a difference in the depth of focus between LD and AP, I will have to find out eventually. What I believe to sound right, at this stage of my  learning is, as you say, that it is important to find my own truth about all this. My general (philosophical) feeling is that the Astral is a world with its own rules  ( it may be a state of mind) therefore "affirmations" (as Robert Peterson calls them) are likely to be a major factor is astral exploration.
I have ordered Kurt Leland's book "Multidimensional human (I think)", as you suggested. Thanks again for your wisdom.

Your Welcome Serge! 

  On any Astral related Forum you are going to find that there is not "clear cut" answer that everyone agrees with. This is simply because of people's own personal perceptions of their experiences. One thing that most of us agree with though is it is not "a state of mind". You are shifting, but it's your consciousness that is.

Affirmations are very important. To this day "every" night I use this one "By my act of will, I RELEASE my focus over my physical body. PLEASE TAKE ME to your desired destination. SHOW ME what I need to SEE. TEACH ME what I need to LEARN."
I visualize the capitalized letters fading into the dark abyss before my eyes.

Robert Monroe has a very good one as well.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Lc86BwPrhs