Trying obe4u techniques

[luffy28]

Hi,
I posted a topic a little over a year ago. I shared my experiences about trying techniques from a site called obe4u.

I've been trying two to three days a week for the past three weeks and have had a few experiences. (Haven't had an obe or ld or ap).

I want to know if anyone has been able to access the subconscious during an obe/ ld/ ap?

Thanks.

[Xanth]

The techniques Raduga (who apparently, I just heard recently, has retired from teaching Projecting) aren't anything new.  You can find them anywhere on the net, in just about every book, and on this very forum as well. 

[luffy28]

Can the subconscious be accessed during a ld/projection?

An example could be flipping through a book then going to sleep projecting/lding successfully. Then asking a character you make your subconscious to explain the book to you.

Would this work?

Also can anyone help me with the techniques I'm practicing from the book?

I awaken after six hours of sleep (on days off. only 2-3 times a week) then I go back to sleep w/an intention. I've awoken twice on two nights over the past three weeks. I can't do it / forget to do it because I'm tired during the awakenings.

What have successful people used in order to go through the techniques?

Thanks.

[EscapeVelocity]

Accessing the subconscious in such a way is theoretically possible I suppose, but it would require a good deal of experience and preparation; probably simpler to just read the book.

If you want communication with your subconscious/inner self/higher self you can put the request in the form of a simple question/affirmation and ask it several times before meditation or sleep, then remain open to whatever form the response may take. This form of communication may take some time initially, it may take a few tries before your subconscious realizes that you are trying to connect. One of the best ways to initiate and strengthen this form of connection is to begin logging your dreams and paying attention to the particular and unique symbology your subconscious uses.

As to technique, I found early success with the Wake, Back To Bed method or early morning attempts as you describe. Dedication is necessary, as you are discovering. You might try staying awake for 30-45 minutes before returning to bed.

What is your intention and how do you phrase it/express it?

[luffy28]

The book I want to ask my subconscious about is a math book.

Would I be able to ask my spirit guide or a master?

Or through the akashic records learn the part of the book over a few projections once I get used to projecting?

Thanks.

[Xanth]

The book I want to ask my subconscious about is a math book.

Would I be able to ask my spirit guide or a master?

Or through the akashic records learn the part of the book over a few projections once I get used to projecting?

Thanks.

What most people have to realize is that the "akashic records" isn't a place... it actually isn't any "THING" at all.
Consider it a record of everything that HAS happened and everything that COULD HAVE happened... along with a potential for anything that COULD happen in the future.  But mostly the first two things.

As such, it's part of consciousness... and guess what?!  YOU ARE PART OF CONSCIOUSNESS TOO!    Isn't that handy?
This means that YOU always, at ANYTIME, have direct (although it might not seem that way at times) access to it.  All you need to do is learn to listen to it. 

Through our non-physical experiences (what you are subjectively calling a "dream", "lucid dream" or "astral projection" -> because, meh, they're all the same thing anyway) we have more direct access to this information (because, as we know, EVERYTHING you experience is really just information/data anyway). 
While we're experiencing this physical reality, we DO have direct access to it as well, but it's only accessible through the same filters which our consciousness currently experiences this physical reality.  Meaning, you have to put up with all the interpretations and snap judgments your consciousness makes on a secondly basis.  So, how do you go about to do this?

FIRST, you meditate... focus your mind.  Unless, that is, you're a person who is always in a focused state of mind... then you can kind of just shift your attention towards that focus.
But let's face it, most people are absent minded these days.  hehe  So, meditate... focus your mind for a few minutes... push away as much physical-ness from your awareness as you can.  THEN, ask your question.  Say it out loud... think it... do whatever you want... just make sure the Intent behind your question is strong and with a powerful purpose.  THEN, sit back and wait for an answer.

This is the most important part of this process... your answer will most likely *NOT* be something verbal.  Don't get me wrong, it COULD come to you in a neatly verbal reply which you "hear", but it probably won't.  As such, you need to listen intently to your body.  The answer could come as a change in temperature... a breeze... it could be in the form of a memory popping into your mind... the point here being, remain COMPLETELY OPEN to *HOW* the answer comes to you.  Don't judge it, don't analyze it, just accept it into yourself, however it comes.

That's how you access this stuff while "physical". 

[luffy28]

What most people have to realize is that the "akashic records" isn't a place... it actually isn't any "THING" at all.
Consider it a record of everything that HAS happened and everything that COULD HAVE happened... along with a potential for anything that COULD happen in the future.  But mostly the first two things.

As such, it's part of consciousness... and guess what?!  YOU ARE PART OF CONSCIOUSNESS TOO!    Isn't that handy?
This means that YOU always, at ANYTIME, have direct (although it might not seem that way at times) access to it.  All you need to do is learn to listen to it. 

Through our non-physical experiences (what you are subjectively calling a "dream", "lucid dream" or "astral projection" -> because, meh, they're all the same thing anyway) we have more direct access to this information (because, as we know, EVERYTHING you experience is really just information/data anyway). 
While we're experiencing this physical reality, we DO have direct access to it as well, but it's only accessible through the same filters which our consciousness currently experiences this physical reality.  Meaning, you have to put up with all the interpretations and snap judgments your consciousness makes on a secondly basis.  So, how do you go about to do this?

FIRST, you meditate... focus your mind.  Unless, that is, you're a person who is always in a focused state of mind... then you can kind of just shift your attention towards that focus.
But let's face it, most people are absent minded these days.  hehe  So, meditate... focus your mind for a few minutes... push away as much physical-ness from your awareness as you can.  THEN, ask your question.  Say it out loud... think it... do whatever you want... just make sure the Intent behind your question is strong and with a powerful purpose.  THEN, sit back and wait for an answer.

This is the most important part of this process... your answer will most likely *NOT* be something verbal.  Don't get me wrong, it COULD come to you in a neatly verbal reply which you "hear", but it probably won't.  As such, you need to listen intently to your body.  The answer could come as a change in temperature... a breeze... it could be in the form of a memory popping into your mind... the point here being, remain COMPLETELY OPEN to *HOW* the answer comes to you.  Don't judge it, don't analyze it, just accept it into yourself, however it comes.

That's how you access this stuff while "physical". 

Isn't it much easier (for beginners at least) to ap/ld/obe to access the akashic records?

I've tried reading books / looking for meditations on YouTube and they're not that good in my opinion.

Are there any free online resources for accessing the akashic records while not ap/ld/obeing for beginners?

I've got books on meditation. But I have such a large collection of books I want to read that I can only read a couple at a time.

Thanks.

[Xanth]

Isn't it much easier (for beginners at least) to ap/ld/obe to access the akashic records?

I've tried reading books / looking for meditations on YouTube and they're not that good in my opinion.

Are there any free online resources for accessing the akashic records while not ap/ld/obeing for beginners?

I've got books on meditation. But I have such a large collection of books I want to read that I can only read a couple at a time.

Thanks.

I just gave you explicit, detailed instructions on how to do it.  

What I stated above is probably THE EASIEST method for accessing the Akashic Records.  It really doesn't get any easier.

The reason why accessing it through projecting (especially for beginners) is... first... you have to project.  That, in itself, seems to be a stopping block for most of the population.
Secondly, if you are actually able to project... most people simply don't have the focus or Intent in order to do such a thing. 

[luffy28]

I've been trying to do the techniques in this book for a weekend now (restarted this past weekend).

Every-time I try to remember to wake up still I usually wake up so fast that I forget to do this.

What should I do to achieve waking up each morning (days off) without moving?

I recorded an affirmation on my smart phone and play it almost nightly.

Is this a good method or not?

Thanks.

[Astralsuzy]

If you accidentally move do not worry about it as you can still ap.   You have a good chance to ap.  Lie still and have your mind relaxed.
Listening to affirmations is a great thing to do.    Keep doing it even if you do not have any results.   Eventually you will. 

[luffy28]

Thanks,
I got a program for android called alarm clock plus. I'm going to set it tonight to awaken me three times every hour so I can try to practice trying to awaken without moving.

Also I sleep on my side.

Should I try sleeping on my back?

Thanks.

[Xanth]

Thanks,
I got a program for android called alarm clock plus. I'm going to set it tonight to awaken me three times every hour so I can try to practice trying to awaken without moving.

Also I sleep on my side.

Should I try sleeping on my back?

Thanks.

Lie down however you want.  Just do so in a manner which isn't going to immediately put you to sleep. 

[luffy28]

Thanks,
I noticed last night that I either sleep on my right/left side or on my stomach.

I couldn't do the technique because the app is so old that it kept turning off the alarms automatically.

I downloaded a newer app and am going to test it out tonight.

[luffy28]

Sunday night the app didn't awaken me.

I then tried this morning. It ended up awakening me but I ended up staying awake, probably because the amount of hours I slept.

I'm going to try it later this week but am going to set my alarm clock only three hours after I sleep.

Need advice.

Thanks.

[luffy28]

For the past week or so every time I try to exit my body upon awakening it doesn't work. I also don't awaken to the 4am alarm clock most of the time. I'm using an android app called alarm droid.

Should I try awakening without moving. I always move upon awakening, and in the book it says this isn't required.

Any advice?

Thanks.

[luffy28]

I've been having mostly partial / mostly full lucid dreams.

I wanted to ask if anyone can tell me how to make it (them the ld's) last longer and me have 100% control over the dream.

I've had them mostly using the techniques Raduga says, but sometimes it happens (one time this week) automatically without doing the techniques.

Thanks.

[EscapeVelocity]

An increase in lucid dreams is a good sign that your intent to have NP experiences is now involving your subconscious/inner/higher self and you are now getting some environments to work within.

The trick to working within these environments and extending the LD is to "go with the flow"...that is, go along with the dream thread as it is presented and don't get distracted by small inconsistencies that will catch your attention. This can be frustrating for awhile as you figure out what keeps a LD running versus what kicks you out. You want 100 percent control and your effort to gain more lucidity may work for awhile, but eventually you are expected to stay within the LD theme and learn what is being presented there.

This is where you really start to learn how important it is that your sense of "feel" has to develop, both within a situation or with regard to even very small things...and frankly, a lot of trial and error will likely occur.

One thing is when an object catches your attention and you focus in closely on it...and the object begins to waver visually for a second or three...this is a sign that you are heading off course and should re-focus back to the general theme of the LD.

This is just one suggestion and a hint of the necessary differences that are required to develop between the Physical mindset and the Non-Physical mindset.

[luffy28]

Do you (or anyone else) know how I can awaken to alarms using the alarm technique? (google astral projection alarm technique)

I've tried and only can get awoken during the night once or twice when I set it every 30 minutes.

I'm using an app for android called "alarm droid".

Thanks.

[luffy28]

*This has happened to me twice this week*

Once I awoke twice w/o an alarm and I thought the dream was stupid and didn't record / stay / follow the dream.

Should I keep doing this?

Any advice?
Thanks.

[luffy28]

Hi,
For the past one to two months I've been trying the techniques in this book and nothing has happened. I came across this page http://www.dojopsi.info/forum/index.php?topic=427.0 (this one also) http://mortalmist.com/forum/index.php?topic=3144.0 and might try this technique when I have a day off. I already have lucidology 101-103. Instead of doing the technique in the morning I'm going to try to do it right after I go to sleep.

Every-time I try to do it way later once I fall asleep I either don't get up, or am confused by the alarm.

I tried doing conscious awakening but it never works most of the time.

I've only done one conscious awakening during a sleep and didn't catch myself.

Any tips?

Thanks.

[luffy28]

I need advice on what to do once I awaken to movement.

I've tried doing it but because I have diabetes / sleep apnea I sleep past the 6 hour alarm every night I set it.

I've been trying to practice the problems and don't know what to do once I awaken to movement.

I also need to know how to awaken multiple times during sleep naturally like the book says.

I've been trying to play two affirmations I recorded but to no avail since I don't awaken upon the 6 hour alarm.

Thanks.

[Astralsuzy]

I would forget what the book says as not everyone fits into it.   Drinking a glass of water, tea or coffee before going to bed should awaken you as you will need to get up and go to the toilet.    I would not advise you to do that.   My husband has sleep apnea like you and he needs his sleep.    He has to have it or he cannot function very well during the day.   There would be better ways for you to do.   

[luffy28]

I would forget what the book says as not everyone fits into it.   Drinking a glass of water, tea or coffee before going to bed should awaken you as you will need to get up and go to the toilet.    I would not advise you to do that.   My husband has sleep apnea like you and he needs his sleep.    He has to have it or he cannot function very well during the day.   There would be better ways for you to do.   

Thanks,
I didn't used to have the sleep apnea and never use to sleep past alarms I set.

I'm reading a book by a man named Joel Fuhrman called "the end of diabetes". Just got done taking notes on some flash cards and am going to try the diet. Am on chapter 6 of the book and in my opinion what he says about diabetes is true. It runs in my family and nearly everyone in my family has it accept two of my siblings and a niece who is still young. I could share my notes on the board if I'm allowed or I can pm them to anyone interested.

I tried / slept for the first time with my cpap machine this past Tuesday and felt a lot tired and a bit refreshed.

Thanks.

[luffy28]

I came up with a trick to try to awaken myself.

I had two regular phones and two spare smartphones.

I set up the app alarmy from android on the two smartphones and set up 5 am on the two regular phones and was awoken this morning.

I stayed up for a while and couldn't go back to sleep. It felt like I was half awake half asleep.

I'm going to try 4.5 hours instead of 6 hours.

Any advice would help,
Thanks.

[luffy28]

Am going to try it again tonight but with 4 separate phones with the same time set (3:30am).

Hopefully I'll awaken and will post tomorrow what happened.