Bringing back souvenirs from non-physical journeys

[MichelleK]

I have not posted for a long time, but I have a question that I would like to ask Astral Pulse members. Has anyone returned from an out of body experience with an object? I have been having voluntary and self-induced OBEs for years. I had an experience the other night. It was local -- I was testing my floating and flying abilities in my home. I remember pushing upward toward the ceiling, though I did not want to go through it. When I woke up in the morning, I went to grab the leash to take my dog out for his morning duties, and I found some strange object stuck in the crown of my skull. I did not immediately connect it to the OBE. I just pulled it out, gave it a quick look (it was black, hard and funky looking), and tossed it in the trash. Then later in the day, I remembered reading (months ago) about a woman who had an OBE; she went to some collective reality in the astral world; and she says she returned with some sort of stone.

[WhiteMonkey]

I have seen people manifesting things out of fin air. It one of those things which is interesting if we believe in it or not...

Do you have a pic of your stone or is it still in the trash bin?


All the best

[MichelleK]

Thanks for the reply. The object is long gone, buried under a day's worth of garbage and in the bin. I'm not brave enough to dig through it. What also came to mind is that maybe I was not quite totally in the physical when I found and removed the object. Maybe I was in some phase close to the physical, but not quite there. I had not considered it being manifested. Interesting!

[WhiteMonkey]

would be interesting to see it but I can understand that you don't wanna dig up your trash 

[Xanth]

I have seen people manifesting things out of fin air. It one of those things which is interesting if we believe in it or not...

Do you have a pic of your stone or is it still in the trash bin?


All the best

You have *SEEN* people manifesting things?  In person? 

My first instinct is to say that while ANYTHING is definitely possible... I'd say that manifesting something out of nothing would be extremely difficult as it kind of goes against all of the rules of this reality.
This physical reality is essentially a "zero-sum" reality... what is created, needs to be created FROM something... energy can't be created or destroyed.  So, you'd have to take what's currently here and re-organize it in some way to form what you wanted.

[Bluefirephoenix]

It is possible but it is also very difficult.  It's called apportation. Kai Mugge is a medium in Germany is able to do apports under very tightly controlled conditions set up by para psychologist for lab studies.  The things that are apported are probably not made from nothing but are located and transported from elsewhere in the physical material reality.

The other example of something from essentially nothing came from two types of alchemy. One is called Palingenesis or the plant phoenix.. A procedure was outlined by E sibly and YB Yates wrote an article about it. Rosecrucians were alleged to be able to do this. The other was the generation of a homunculus.  The plant was generated from the ashes of the same type of plant and the homunculus or animunculus was generated from semen of the animal to be generated. The reported successes of these experiments appeared to be visible by anyone ... not just someone in an altered state. None of these came from astral projections, but anything that can be done in projection can be done without projecting so if these experiments are successful without projecting there should be a way to do it from that state of consciosuness.   It's a very interesting question and not really as simple as you would think.

I had a discussion with a theoretical physicist who works for the Canadian Space agency or something like that last month and he was actually working towards doing what you are describing. . He said it should be possible.. His work is much more current than Tom Campbells and some of the more recent discoveries support the possibilities of palingeneisis, apportation in particular. Generation of homunculus isn't covered to my knowledge and we didn't discuss it.

here is the article by E Sibly http://www.esotericarchives.com/solomon/sibly4.htm

The article on palingeneissi can be found in the Rosecrucian notebook.

and the Article on the homunculus https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homunculus

Kai's circle http://felixcircle.blogspot.ca/


I don't think Kai is a fake. He works under conditions which most would consider impossible and tolerates strip searches and being hauled to unknown locations to have the seance as well as being bound hand and foot as well as gagged during trance.  A number of parapsychologists illusionists and mentalists ahve attended his seances setting the conditions to prove the legitimacy of his abilities I don't think you could ask for any more than what he's done. I have not seen it first hand but unless all those people are in on it I don't think even the best magician would be able to work under the conditions he's been subjected to.

[MichelleK]

Thanks for all of the feedback. Bluefirephoenix, I appreciate you pointing me toward the apportation and homunculus concepts. I have never heard of them before and will definitely be checking them out.

[WhiteMonkey]

It is possible but it is also very difficult.  It's called apportation. Kai Mugge is a medium in Germany is able to do apports under very tightly controlled conditions set up by para psychologist for lab studies.  The things that are apported are probably not made from nothing but are located and transported from elsewhere in the physical material reality.

The other example of something from essentially nothing came from two types of alchemy. One is called Palingenesis or the plant phoenix.. A procedure was outlined by E sibly and YB Yates wrote an article about it. Rosecrucians were alleged to be able to do this. The other was the generation of a homunculus.  The plant was generated from the ashes of the same type of plant and the homunculus or animunculus was generated from semen of the animal to be generated. The reported successes of these experiments appeared to be visible by anyone ... not just someone in an altered state. None of these came from astral projections, but anything that can be done in projection can be done without projecting so if these experiments are successful without projecting there should be a way to do it from that state of consciosuness.   It's a very interesting question and not really as simple as you would think.

I had a discussion with a theoretical physicist who works for the Canadian Space agency or something like that last month and he was actually working towards doing what you are describing. . He said it should be possible.. His work is much more current than Tom Campbells and some of the more recent discoveries support the possibilities of palingeneisis, apportation in particular. Generation of homunculus isn't covered to my knowledge and we didn't discuss it.

here is the article by E Sibly http://www.esotericarchives.com/solomon/sibly4.htm

The article on palingeneissi can be found in the Rosecrucian notebook.

and the Article on the homunculus https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homunculus

Kai's circle http://felixcircle.blogspot.ca/


I don't think Kai is a fake. He works under conditions which most would consider impossible and tolerates strip searches and being hauled to unknown locations to have the seance as well as being bound hand and foot as well as gagged during trance.  A number of parapsychologists illusionists and mentalists ahve attended his seances setting the conditions to prove the legitimacy of his abilities I don't think you could ask for any more than what he's done. I have not seen it first hand but unless all those people are in on it I don't think even the best magician would be able to work under the conditions he's been subjected to.

Wow thats a very interesting post. I will follow this links soon.
In my opinion you cant create something out of nothing but if you manifest/create something out of thin air you not creating out of nothing but you change the energy of the air and the space between and some of your energy into the thing you want to manifest.

If you think it in scientifical way. Everything consists of the same component. Some scientist say stardust some say energie some say something else. But everything is made of the same 'thing' so to materialize something we basicaly juat need to reorder this 'thing' to our object. Of course that need a lot of concentration and energy from us but maybe in the future it will be normal who nows.

[ThaomasOfGrey]

I have two views on this matter, the first being that while this reality appears to have strict rules, I still think it is a "virtual" reality and thus there are no limits to what you can perceive as an individual.

Manifesting an object that multiple people can see and interact with goes beyond the local virtual reality and enters into the domain of the shared virtual reality. I have read mention of objects in this reality having a "location" property at the quantum level. Somehow modifying this property can cause the object to simply stop existing at one location and start existing at another, rather it would be more accurate to think that the underlying data stream has changed and we begin to perceive the object at the new location.

Using alchemy to forge a new object into the data stream seems like quite a feat, I don't quite believe it.

[RobertForsythe]

  So, you'd have to take what's currently here and re-organize it in some way to form what you wanted.

I have heard others teach this as well. In physics it is called "Conservation of Mass".

There was a story I read around 1970 about a poor preacher with a church in a poor district of town. Suspicions were aroused when he began showing up at various places in town with plenty of cash and he was paying bills for people in need and generally helping the poor. A local police officer began an investigation and after a while some Federal officers showed up at his house and asked how he came by that money. They explained that they had followed him and checked out the serial numbers on some of the larger bills he was spending. It turned out that they had been withdrawn in large amounts by wealthy people who had traveled to Europe and had booked a trip home on a luxury liner. When they boarded the ship those bills were registered with the captain and stored in the ship's safe.

The ship's name was the Titanic, and these law officers were extremely curious how this money came into his possession. The minister explained that every now and then he prayed to God at night before bed to assist him in helping people in need. He told the officials that whenever God approved of his idea he would wake up in the morning and the money he needed for a specific task would be on his nightstand.

[WhiteMonkey]

I have heard others teach this as well. In physics it is called "Conservation of Mass".

There was a story I read around 1970 about a poor preacher with a church in a poor district of town. Suspicions were aroused when he began showing up at various places in town with plenty of cash and he was paying bills for people in need and generally helping the poor. A local police officer began an investigation and after a while some Federal officers showed up at his house and asked how he came by that money. They explained that they had followed him and checked out the serial numbers on some of the larger bills he was spending. It turned out that they had been withdrawn in large amounts by wealthy people who had traveled to Europe and had booked a trip home on a luxury liner. When they boarded the ship those bills were registered with the captain and stored in the ship's safe.

The ship's name was the Titanic, and these law officers were extremely curious how this money came into his possession. The minister explained that every now and then he prayed to God at night before bed to assist him in helping people in need. He told the officials that whenever God approved of his idea he would wake up in the morning and the money he needed for a specific task would be on his nightstand.

Thats a cool story there.

[MichelleK]

Thanks for sharing that story, RobertForsythe.

I wonder, though, if we are just phasing or tuning into the physical and the various non-physical dimensions, is it possible that when I pulled that thing from my head, maybe I was not totally tuned into the physical and the object was not made up of physical matter (rather, it was something less dense)? In other words, maybe if I dug through that garbage bag, I would not find it because it's made of "astral matter." Sort of related to this, a few weeks ago, after another brief OBE in the afternoon, I got up and went to the refrigerator because I was craving something sweet. I did not feel entirely in phase with the physical. I felt very sluggish. I picked up a jar of jam, or I tried to. I managed to lift it from the shelf in the fridge, but I could not seem to fully grasp it, and it slipped right out of my hand and crashed to the floor. The first thing I thought was "I'm not quite back yet."

[Bluefirephoenix]

 I think the main problem in overcoming the mass problem is the that you cannot use mass to overcome mass. Thats when the experiments fail. The effect of consciousness on mass and physics in general is already well known and has now branched off into it's own sub specialty of physics. ( old news) It's only with something that is NOT affected by time and space that this can even be explored. Human consciousness is the only tool we have right now that fits that bill.

It will be interesting to see what my friend from Canada space comes up with in the next couple years.

[MichelleK]

Understood. Thank you, again, for the feedback. I imagine scientists in the mind/consciousness discipline will make plenty of new amazing discoveries in the coming years. Can't wait!

[WhiteMonkey]

Thanks for sharing that story, RobertForsythe.

I wonder, though, if we are just phasing or tuning into the physical and the various non-physical dimensions, is it possible that when I pulled that thing from my head, maybe I was not totally tuned into the physical and the object was not made up of physical matter (rather, it was something less dense)? In other words, maybe if I dug through that garbage bag, I would not find it because it's made of "astral matter." Sort of related to this, a few weeks ago, after another brief OBE in the afternoon, I got up and went to the refrigerator because I was craving something sweet. I did not feel entirely in phase with the physical. I felt very sluggish. I picked up a jar of jam, or I tried to. I managed to lift it from the shelf in the fridge, but I could not seem to fully grasp it, and it slipped right out of my hand and crashed to the floor. The first thing I thought was "I'm not quite back yet."

That would incline that the object was never in the physical cause you still were on the borderline so to say.

[desert-rat]

Robert Monroe wrote of getting a business card from a hand that came through some kind of portal. He said he would check out the address on the card,but never wrote about what he found.