Peoples experiences with meditation / body position and trance state

[luffy28]

Hi,
I downloaded an app to my smart phone that lets the user experience binaural beats / isochronic tones.

The name of the app is Brain Waves - Binaural beats by minotechapps.

I'm in the process of reading a pdf called "astral projection a complete guide". I wouldn't be surprised if it was a plagiarism of Robert Bruce's online free work. But I like the way the text is presented and the order of the book.

I also need peoples experiences with meditation and body position and entering the trance state for obe's / ap's?

When I try / tried / quit doing meditation, I would either do it on my back on lying on one of my sides (could be on left side or right side).

I also have problems doing progressive relaxation on my sides. This is what I want to be able to do it in since this is the top / ideal position for me to do meditation / trance / chakra / obe exit work.

Also timing these each day?

Thanks.

[Szaxx]

I find stretched legs improves recall greatly and tucking in my chin gives a nice experience. Exposing my neck as you do when looking up gives nightmares or a scary experience. This hasn't changed at all in 50+ years.
Mostly lay on my side as it works better in this position.
Worth the experimentation if youre not easily scared lol.

[Subtle Traveler]

My primary sleep position has ALWAYS been on my side, so when attempting an OBE or projection I start on my back with an extra pillow behind my head to prop up my body a bit more. If I move to my side during the process of projection, I always fall asleep.

I agree with Szaxx's suggestion that you will need to experiment a bit to see what works for you (it is worth the extra effort).

[luffy28]

I can meditate on my side. What's difficult is doing progressive relaxation on my side. The document says to do this first so you can get into the trance state. Every time on the program I've tried doing meditation in theta mode I go to sleep. But I'm more comfortable on my side than my back. I've gotten a few vibrations on my back but I've never been able to separate on / from my back. I feel more comfortable trying it on my side (left or right).

I just need some info / experience from those who do progressive relaxation (or a relaxation exercise) on either side (left or right)?

Thanks.

[Szaxx]

If you respond well to theta you'll be asleep in no time lol. Use alpha and keep your mind more active. 40 HZ is a good one to experiment with as it's more involved than you may know.

[luffy28]

If you respond well to theta you'll be asleep in no time lol. Use alpha and keep your mind more active. 40 HZ is a good one to experiment with as it's more involved than you may know.

Thanks,
I'll experiment with 40 HZ / Alpha. Also its been difficult for me to clear my mind and focus on the emptiness in my mind. Should I focus on one thing. I noticed when I focused on the blackness behind my eyes, or counted to 100 or focused on my breathing it was easier.

I want to get to the point where I can empty my mind. I've done this only close to half a dozen times in the past.

Also what is anyone's experience with going from trance / deep trance into an exit?

I wanted to use rolling out and for the trance / mental falling exercise I tried using going forward in space through the stars.

Again thanks for any info / experience.

[Szaxx]

I tend to ignore everything and only focus on being somewhere in the NP. Ignore looking into the blackness as it keeps the mind too active, you see shapes etc but then automatically analyse them. It's part of our nature to form a recognition of what's there.
Doing this successfully can get you elsewhere in a couple of mins once relaxed. I do it this way in a car park if the girls are shopping and the car is half full if gear.

[luffy28]

I tend to ignore everything and only focus on being somewhere in the NP. Ignore looking into the blackness as it keeps the mind too active, you see shapes etc but then automatically analyse them. It's part of our nature to form a recognition of what's there.
Doing this successfully can get you elsewhere in a couple of mins once relaxed. I do it this way in a car park if the girls are shopping and the car is half full if gear.

Are there any threads on this forum? Or anywhere online that describe the non-physical (like a pdf or a book) more from a persons perspective that's been there a bit or from a beginners view.

Thanks.

I'm looking into something called senses induced lucid dreaming.

[Phalanx]

Are there any threads on this forum? Or anywhere online that describe the non-physical (like a pdf or a book) more from a persons perspective that's been there a bit or from a beginners view.

Thanks.

I'm looking into something called senses induced lucid dreaming.

There is a technique you can try if you want to call it that for an attempt at induced dream.

Saying you have a dinning room and on the table people usually have center pieces for show in example a vase, bowl of fruit and the such. I have a bowl of fruit containing bananas, oranges and apples and the table has a woolish linen cloth over it. I have mentioned else where my visualization skills are poor but I can recall how things feel to the touch and smell quite easily and their sounds. About twice a day I would go through and feel the chairs, the wood of the table and the table cloth and some of the fruit in the bowl and do a reality check ask my self if i was dreaming or counting fingers. And as I would go to sleep I would do this again in my mind just with out the visualization. After a bit more than a week this led to having dreams of doing such an action and since I did the checks I became lucid. Then my experience involved trying to travel to a friends place as tests to see if I was in the astral or such. It has been for ever since I tried this but it worked for me then life stepped in the way for a while.

This technique is the same of where some people say to walk around your house or a specific room and not all the colors, smells and to feel things and then imagining doing the same down to as much detail as possible when you go to sleep or meditate. But I put more emphasis on feeling. Try using other senses or more of other senses than just sight.

As for describing the non physical I think that highly depends. I have drawn up a map of around I live from dreams of the area as it has been the same every time I dream. Id count this area as not as the realtime zone in the non physical but as an area right past it because its a mix of otherly things and and the physical but not a mirror of the physical. Where I live there is a lot of water and swamp, but in the non physical a part of that is a forest another savanna. And all of it has buildings, cars, there is even a futuristic city to the north where one quarter is built like a play ground for children where no city is.

But other than reading other peoples experiences if they explain enough to get a good image to focus on I think you kind of have to have been some place to be able to actively focus on it like Szaxx's idea. At least that is my take on that. But its easy to think of some place physically like New York or some place like that, its real easy to get pictures of that place or to have visited it before to remember it.

[luffy28]

http://out-of-body-experience.info/meditation-inducing-trance/

Is this enough to get a person out of body?

Or would I have to do a technique after?

I haven't meditated in a few days but am going to try today.

I also found this blog.

http://www.astralprojectiontraining.com/

Thanks.

[luffy28]

Doe's anyone know a system similar to wbtb that I can do that can do to do an obe in the sleep phase?

Or before the sleep phase? Or after the sleep phase? Or even during the sleep phase?

I've been trying meditation, but it's very hard for me to practice it daily because of scheduling.

Thanks.

[luffy28]

Hello,
I've been trying to watch a film on Youtube. I can't because the material is too dry / boring. The name of the film is "spiritual reality power of meditation" (the reason I don't want to give out a link is because of copyright) it can be found on Youtube. I have the transcript of the film and the speaker speaks of cosmic energy. I looked up "cosmic energy meditation" and "how to do cosmic energy meditation" and got some links.

Are there any books / online resources (whole websites / pdfs) where I can find info on how to do cosmic energy meditation?

Thanks.

[luffy28]

Hi,
For most of this week i've been trying to meditate. I notice that everytime I listen to a good song and I end up trying to meditate. The song plays in my head over and over (specific parts).

Doe's anyone know (or can give advice) on how to get past this? / What I should do about this?

Thanks.

[Phalanx]

There are many ways to get OoB or have an AP, I know people use meditation as a way of achieving it, I tried and I find it one of the harder methods but that is just personal, things will work differently for me than they do for some one else.

Scientists say usually when you hear a song on repeat something is not completed and that the brain or mind does not like things not completed so they say finish the song in your mind or sing it out to the end and usually it stops. I have tried it... it actually works sometimes. Other times I just have to replace it with a song I can stand.

Funny story the other night I woke up to hearing Second Chance by Shinedown playing again and again in my head and for most of the day... and then later I was with a bunch of friends and they all were trying to pick a song to get everyone to sing to when someone put that same song on to sing to. I just amusingly chuckled to myself.

If you use songs to help, use songs that don't have lyrics, if they do have lyrics and you project you might have an projection that's experiences match the story the song is telling. I had a close case of this I fell asleep with music on once and I became lucid to a degree but trying to do what I wanted didn't work to well because I could hear the music. So since I could hear it I thought about it and since it was music I heard before I knew it all subconsciously so the experience unfolded to the song easily because what next was already known.

At the same time though none lyrical songs can do sort of the same. When people hear songs from Bach, Wolfgang or the like a lot of people tend to visualize something that fits to the music but their vision of it. From that an experience can be lead also, it could be quick paced or slow or if the song is light and warm then the experience might match if its dark and a bit haunting then well like wise, that would be your interpretation of it.

[Xanth]

Hi,
For most of this week i've been trying to meditate. I notice that everytime I listen to a good song and I end up trying to meditate. The song plays in my head over and over (specific parts).

Doe's anyone know (or can give advice) on how to get past this? / What I should do about this?

Thanks.

Instead of fighting against the song playing in your head... use it. 

To meditate towards projecting, all you're essentially doing is focusing on something to the exclusion of everything else.  If you have a song that plays in your head over and over, focus on it, each time it plays, focus deeper and deeper within it. 

[luffy28]

Instead of fighting against the song playing in your head... use it.  

To meditate towards projecting, all you're essentially doing is focusing on something to the exclusion of everything else.  If you have a song that plays in your head over and over, focus on it, each time it plays, focus deeper and deeper within it.  

Thanks,
What I did was I kept counting to 100 and focused on my breath / the sound of the beats. For 90%+ of the time the song went out of my head.

I'm reading AD by robert bruce and am trying to learn how to do obes from a waking state.

Edit:
Just did a total of 24mins and 9 secs of meditation / progressive relaxation. Instead of trying to time myself I let the stopwatch run on my phone. When I felt like I didn't have a body I then moved my body and recorded my experiences. I went from 9mins and something secs to 7mins 15secs.

After a while it felt addictive especially with the binural beats.

In the book this is the order for a waking state obe:
1. Deep physical relaxation (what I'm working on now)
2. Trance / falling effect
3. Chakras (can be done during or before attempting obe)
4. Exit

Any advice / personal experiences would help.

[justin35ll]

For meditation, I usually sit upright in a chair. A Mantra meditation works well for me, but recently I've noticed a chakra visualization meditation is working better / faster. Depends on my mood and what I'm trying to get out of the meditation.
Sometimes if I'm tired, I'll lay in bed. And if I do lay in bed it's on my back.
For OBE, it's usually always on my back in bed. (that's just what works for me)

[luffy28]

Thanks,
I sit in a folding chair against a door in my room (for head support). I've been able to get to around 5 mins relaxing my body. Instead of going from feet to head, I've done head to feet and this makes the process easier (for me at least).

[justin35ll]

I sit in my computer chair, nothing fancy. With a pillow under my butt. I used to put another pillow behind my upper back/shoulders to support my head a bit, but recently moved it to my lower back. Noticed that it keeps my posture better and is more comfortable for me. My head used to slowly fall forwards sometimes and my chin would end up resting on my chest, but since I've moved the pillow to my lower back it is easier to keep my head straight up.
And you're saying it takes 5 minutes for you to relax to your meditative state? I noticed it usually takes me about 10 minutes. And I'll usually stop around 25 - 35 minutes total

[luffy28]

I sit in my computer chair, nothing fancy. With a pillow under my butt. I used to put another pillow behind my upper back/shoulders to support my head a bit, but recently moved it to my lower back. Noticed that it keeps my posture better and is more comfortable for me. My head used to slowly fall forwards sometimes and my chin would end up resting on my chest, but since I've moved the pillow to my lower back it is easier to keep my head straight up.
And you're saying it takes 5 minutes for you to relax to your meditative state? I noticed it usually takes me about 10 minutes. And I'll usually stop around 25 - 35 minutes total

So far for me since doing it head to toe, I usually get my body relaxed under 10 minutes. The reason I probably get to under 10 minutes is because I use binural beats. In the book (astral dynamics) I remember the author saying not to get used to it. But other than that it would take years (or months minimum) to do it without the beats.

I'm now only practicing how to relax the body. Next I'm going to then focus on trance work / chakras in a couple more weeks, once I master the deep relaxation.

[luffy28]

Hi,
I'm now timing myself while meditating to see if I can hold the time. So far the best I've done is 17:48 of 20:00. During the relaxation out of boredom I tried inducing the trance state with a picture (an elevator doing down while saying "down" mentally with a voice in my head). I felt a lose of sense of time. I felt like I was floating and falling in the air at the same time. I also had a buzzing feeling all over my body, but especially below my waste / thighs and feet.

Is this a sign that I entered the trance state?

Thanks.

[justin35ll]

Hi,
I'm now timing myself while meditating to see if I can hold the time. So far the best I've done is 17:48 of 20:00. During the relaxation out of boredom I tried inducing the trance state with a picture (an elevator doing down while saying "down" mentally with a voice in my head). I felt a lose of sense of time. I felt like I was floating and falling in the air at the same time. I also had a buzzing feeling all over my body, but especially below my waste / thighs and feet.

Is this a sign that I entered the trance state?

Thanks.

Yes, there is a feel to it, but don't focus so much on the body, or timing yourself. There is nothing wrong with setting a timer so you don't go longer than you want to or need to, but I used to time myself as well. Recently I stopped because it is not a race. Trying to beat your previous time of 17 minutes will not help you.
Look for the change in your awareness, not so much your physical body, because as your mind relaxes your body will follow and vice versa (sitting still without moving will naturally relax your mind)
I have meditated for 10 minutes and for 40 minutes, sometimes my mind being much more calm during the 10 minute one. So what I'm saying it's not always about the duration of the meditation
And once you become better at it, you will be able to enter the state much quicker and easier. When I first started I always made sure no one was home to distract me, or I would wear earplugs, or my noise canceling headphones, which did help me, but eventually I thought to myself am I really going to use these every time I have to meditate? Or will the perfect environment always be available to meditate? No, so I stopped using them and realized I was still able to do it with noise in the background.
Today, I meditated in the middle of Manhattan, NYC sitting in a car on the side of a busy street mid day for 20 minutes. Even with the car alarms, honking, and 2 way radio going in the car it wasn't a problem to shift my focus away from them, even though I still heard them, they weren't distracting

[luffy28]

Yes, there is a feel to it, but don't focus so much on the body, or timing yourself. There is nothing wrong with setting a timer so you don't go longer than you want to or need to, but I used to time myself as well. Recently I stopped because it is not a race. Trying to beat your previous time of 17 minutes will not help you.
Look for the change in your awareness, not so much your physical body, because as your mind relaxes your body will follow and vice versa (sitting still without moving will naturally relax your mind)
I have meditated for 10 minutes and for 40 minutes, sometimes my mind being much more calm during the 10 minute one. So what I'm saying it's not always about the duration of the meditation
And once you become better at it, you will be able to enter the state much quicker and easier. When I first started I always made sure no one was home to distract me, or I would wear earplugs, or my noise canceling headphones, which did help me, but eventually I thought to myself am I really going to use these every time I have to meditate? Or will the perfect environment always be available to meditate? No, so I stopped using them and realized I was still able to do it with noise in the background.
Today, I meditated in the middle of Manhattan, NYC sitting in a car on the side of a busy street mid day for 20 minutes. Even with the car alarms, honking, and 2 way radio going in the car it wasn't a problem to shift my focus away from them, even though I still heard them, they weren't distracting

I see what you're saying, but I watched a video on Youtube from a more experienced meditator. He said timing yourself is good for beginners because you won't always be wondering how long you've been practicing it. I'm going to try to time it at a limited time (now I'm starting at 15 mins each day / night for the rest of the week) then keep pushing the time by a couple of minutes.

Thanks.