I thought I was Jesus!!

[paul72]

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[paul72]

Sorry previous comment should read ''the existence of Jesus WASN'T in question''

[Subtle Traveler]

Sorry previous comment should read ''the existence of Jesus WASN'T in question''

Thank you for your clarifications (and the one above). You initially posted a legitimate question here (imo) and I wanted to respond to what you had written. My comment about the historical record of Jesus as a human was intended for other people peaking in here. I knew things would get "noisy" here with others responding to this emotional topic (as you can now see).

I was raised in a religious setting also, which actually had its benefits, as I was abused by a school teacher as a young child. Religion provided a safe place to be a kid (it was a liberal setting). It was developmentally helpful. I learned to trust again. I stayed with that focus until my 20's (when all the beliefs became too ridiculous). I initially interpreted my Jesus experience through the focus of that human 'social lens", but I quickly saw that religious leaders did not have clear answers for my experience. This created a notable contrast.

So, having the courage to go back to moments in our life and question the purpose of an experience, can be constructive. This is what I was attempting to demonstrate by sharing my own story here with rather bold language. The discussion was getting away from your honest inquiry into your teenage experience. And I realized that I could provide a notable contrast to what people were sharing with you (kind of shaking things up), so I boldly spoke up.

I do not use the word "God". I have not for 25 years. There is our source ... our creator. "All that is" can be very useful.

We are meant to be extended here as humans, going back and forth between human physical (an individual focus) and non-physical (community focus) perspectives. We have very powerful focuses as human extensions of the non-physical. Experiencing that contrast (physical vs. non-physical) is why we are extended here as humans ... it is our participation in the expansion of consciousness. We have lots of non-physical help (guidance) in this. We are the human with individual focus, our guidance or inner being is the non-physical with whole focus, and all of it is one thing.

Everything in creation is inter-connected.

Overall, we are not different than Jesus in this. And, I might conjecture that this is why Jesus came forth as human (e.g., to demonstrate that for the people of his day), but the written record about that is very messy and misleading because of translation (Aramaic) after translation (Greek) after translation (Latin or English). You get the idea.

So "yes, absolutely" ... your comment about "all that is" makes complete sense ... it is a very good and useful descriptor. It is a pointer to the community focus (and inter-connection) that I mention above. And right now, you and I are being human by writing on this physical blog or forum (an individual focus). And I am setting this next statement up a bit, because what I was suggesting to you above is "sharpening your community focus" by meditating and gradually gaining more contact with your non-physical aspects. This is something that I found the most helpful in my own non-physical experiences. It is the only legitimate way that I know for you to answer your questions about your teenage experience.

This is a good chat. I appreciate you responding "consciously" and thoughtfully. If you have any questions or comments about what I have stated here on your thread, please feel free to speak up. I wish you well with your choices.

P.S. Everyone is special. We are each extended here from the non-physical ... expanding consciousness (e.g., learning is merely a by-product).

[desert-rat]

Not to burst any ones bubble , but I think Jesus was made up .   The early church needed some one to rally around .   

[Subtle Traveler]

Not to burst any ones bubble , but I think Jesus was made up .   The early church needed some one to rally around .  

Hi Desert Rat ...

No bubble burst here. You have a reasonable physical perspective (and held by many).

I agree 50% with your first statement ... simply because I recognize that others are not going to have the same physical experiences that I have (or have had). I attempted to make this contrast as clear as I could when I posted (e.g., it is my experience, not someone else's).

However, this perspective (here) does not discount that we (all of us) may share the same non-physical experience. This is a very important distinction. It has a great deal to do with our inter-connectedness (which is not discussed on this forum very often ... although to Xanth's credit, he does hint at this all the time in his posts to others). The physical human perceives "reality as separate" and  the non-physical part of us does NOT ... it sees 'the whole'.

I completely (100%) agree with your 2nd statement. It was a circus. I would suggest that the circus started with the disciples and not the 'early church'. The early church only accentuated what had already been condoned by the original disciples. And, this circus effect is what turned the things Jesus said into "a salvation message' (especially the writings and letters of Paul). It is very misleading. It was wholly out of context.

Thanks for your comment. I have enjoyed many of your observations here on the forum.

[Lumaza]

However, this perspective (here) does not discount that we (all of us) may share the same non-physical experience. This is a very important distinction. It has a great deal to do with our inter-connectedness (which is not discussed on this forum very often ... although to Xanth's credit, he does hint at this all the time in his posts to others). The physical human perceives "reality as separate" and  the non-physical part of us does NOT ... it sees 'the whole'.

No, this Forum here does not teach that. Most people come here because they have just had their eyes opened by having their own personal first experience.

I used to use Tom Campbell's videos as a opener to new people here. But then I stopped. I realized that the new person reading here had just had their World and reality shaken by their first experience as it was. They weren't ready to hear that we aren't in our bodies to begin or that we are "all one of the whole".

I find the Astral Pulse Forums to be more about info and application. I like that too. I want people to find out for themselves what is what and that's why I attempt to teach here. They can come to their own conclusions and beliefs based on their own experiences and like just you ST, their experiences can drive them deeper into the "philosophies" behind all of this. But for now, most of the people here that are new to this, just want to know how to do it or how to do it again!

There are other Forums that you and I know of that go deeper into the "what's what" of everything.

[Subtle Traveler]

No, this Forum here does not teach that. Most people come here because they have just had their eyes opened by having their own personal first experience.

I used to use Tom Campbell's videos as a opener to new people here. But then I stopped. I realized that the new person reading here had just had their World and reality shaken by their first experience as it was. They weren't ready to hear that we aren't in our bodies to begin or that we are "all one of the whole".

I find the Astral Pulse Forums to be more about info and application. I like that too. I want people to find out for themselves what is what and that's why I attempt to teach here. They can come to their own conclusions and beliefs based on their own experiences and like just you ST, their experiences can drive them deeper into the "philosophies" behind all of this. But for now, most of the people here that are new to this, just want to know how to do it or how to do it again!

There are other Forums that you and I know of that go deeper into the "what's what" of everything.

I have to disagree based on my experiences. There is no philosophy. The physical and non-physical is all one thing.

The other forums you mention have "beginning people". For example, a long time participant just today decided to pick up and learn Gateway I (e.g., the first step at TMI). Additionally, there are experienced people in both places. So I disagree with your assessment AND about my judgment in posting the content that I did to Desert Rat.

In both places, even the moderators and more experienced people here get caught up in a "physical focus first". It is prevalent enough (in all places). You are doing it now (lol). Therefore, it is message that all can be reminded of.

In regards to people here you would consider experienced, I very purposefully credited and complimented an experienced person and moderator (Xanth) here. This added to the contrast.

Most importantly, my comment here was clearly and intentionally written for Desert Rat. Anyone can see that. I did not direct it to anyone else. This is the VERY CLEAR context and intention of my post. And I mention this, as while I have exchanged respectful and complimentary dialogue to him in the past, I do not know him well. So, I added the distinguishing point with him directly about non-physical and physical perspective. And ...knowing that others would be reading my comment.

I mention this detail because you seem to be "coming in sideways again" into my conversation with someone else. Honestly, if one of the moderators here was concerned with what I presented to Desert Rat, I trust that they would speak up.

[Lumaza]

I have to disagree based on my experiences.

I figured you would! 

There is no philosophy. The physical and non-physical is all one thing.

That itself is your/a Philosophy, lol. Philosophy: •a theory or attitude held by a person or organization that acts as a guiding principle for behavior:

Lets just agree to disagree and move on! 

[Subtle Traveler]

Lets just agree to disagree and move on!

Nope, not going to happen.

This is obviously no longer a light-hearted matter.

However, I started a process today, which requires my attention for some time.

I will respond to what you have suggested in your posts at a later time.

[Lumaza]

I will respond to what you have suggested in your posts at a later time.

Please don't. It's a waste of not only your time and mine, but all the people that come to the Astral Pulse for not only help, but insightful discussions as well.

[Xanth]

I'd suggest agreeing to disagree and move on.  I'd hate to see someone get hurt here due to what is essentially an opinion/belief/perspective.
Subject matter of this thread aside, there's some good discussion going on.  Let's try to keep that discourse going on that level. 

Let's try to remember that we're all friends on the same side.

[Subtle Traveler]

I'd suggest agreeing to disagree and move on.  I'd hate to see someone get hurt here due to what is essentially an opinion/belief/perspective.
Subject matter of this thread aside, there's some good discussion going on.  Let's try to keep that discourse going on that level. 

Let's try to remember that we're all friends on the same side.

Thank you for your input, Ryan. I will certainly consider what you have presented.

[Subtle Traveler]

Please don't. It's a waste of not only your time and mine, but all the people that come to the Astral Pulse for not only help, but insightful discussions as well.

Shu-Man ...

I cannot offer that at this time.

I will simply suggest to what you presented is that you have not seen yet whether "my response here will be insightful or a waste of time". That in itself is just another perspective or belief (as suggested by Ryan).

I will need the time period that I already mentioned for something that I have started two days ago, so the remainder of this will have to come at another time.

[ingerul9]

Throughout the experience, he was simply visible in his light body from distances of 15 to 40 feet. Golden white light. He had a visible male body with no scars or markings or piercings. He looked human with some facial hair and long brown hair on his head. He looked like Jesus. I immediately recognized him as Jesus. I knew he was Jesus (and so did the 2nd witness).

Not to take away from your experience but I was wondering how do people know how Jesus actually looked - as in physical appearance?

[desert-rat]

On Jesus , going in a much different direction .  There is an interesting you tube video titled , Jesus was a mushroom .   The idea is that people would eat this mushroom to have an experence , or just get high . 

[Subtle Traveler]

Not to take away from your experience but I was wondering how do people know how Jesus actually looked - as in physical appearance?

You are not taking away. You are questioning. You are also curious.

I don't know what others would think, so I can't answer your presented question in that context. But I can expand upon my experience. I can also expand upon the experience of the 2nd person sharing my experience.

He did not look "exactly" like pictures I had seen, so I quickly questioned this aspect of the experience (Is this really Jesus?). However, there was an "inner knowing" and help during the experience. I see that now many years later. My first reaction when I suddenly saw this being in a glowing light body floating four feet off the ground and intensely looking straight at me ... was "Oh crap, that is Jesus (what have I done wrong?)". This response perpetuated shock. I was also thinking "who else could be doing this?"

His image was similar enough to pictures I had seen. For the next several days (actually years), I questioned the experience. I can assure you that this experience was not quickly or fully embraced by me as a religious experience (but certainly a spiritual one). However, I would now call the visual of Jesus a projection, because this may not be what Jesus (Jeshua) actually looks like now (or 2000 years ago). It was not a mirror copy of his physical body, because there were NO visible piercings or scars on his light body. Additionally, non-physical beings can take certain forms, so some of the imaging may have been done for our benefit (e.g., the experiencers). This has happened for me in other experiences. For example, my non-physical guide has taken a particular forms when she meets me non-physically.

It is also important to expand upon my own questioning here (because I did a lot of it). My questioning came when the shock subsided a bit and turned into a persistent fear (e.g., a natural physical response). Once beyond the shock, then the human part of me (biological brain) started questioning, "Why's he doing this now? What is this? How is this happening?". I asked all these questions and more during the experience. I questioned during the experience whether it was Jesus or not. I even questioned if someone was playing a trick with a projector. However, I was able to "eliminate" several of these questions about the experience. For example, I looked around for a projector beam and did not see one. I also realized that he was moving at differing angles and places, which a projector cannot do. There was also a 3D quality to the body of Jesus I was seeing ... this was a real being (no doubt about that).

I eventually realized that my fear was attempting to deny the experience (which looking back now was pretty insightful for a 15 year old ... maybe I had some inner help with that ... ), so I continued to remind myself to just stay in the experience and that I could ask questions later. I began looking more closely at his body and the golden-white light aura around him. I looked around to the areas he had been for newer distortions like light door opening earlier. I looked around at the group of 100 or so. We were singing, and I wanted to know if anyone else was experiencing this. I became an experiential observer, a very fearful one, but an experiencer. I ended up collecting a lot of information while in the experience.

Afterwards, the other person sharing the experience just knew it was Jesus. And, I never sensed that they questioned the experience like I did. I had no other explanation. I certainly did not think of anyone else. The other experiencer had a slightly different emotional response from me (they were crying with joy). They embraced it more simply as a miracle. I did not. I had a lot of unresolved fear so my questions lingered with a heavy, fearful tone. Honestly, I did not begin accepting the experience until I heard the second person's experience. I was still questioning that I might be hallucinating.

Regarding your question, what's more interesting to me from a 3rd person perspective is that we (the experiencers) had separate but similar experiences, slightly differing (e.g., they saw stairs and I did not), and yet we each immediately perceived this to be Jesus. There were no questions about that point by the end of it. This is why I point to "inner knowing". Also, there were 98 people who saw nothing. This suggests to me that something greater ... 'well beyond the understanding of the human biological brain' was going on. So, I left some room for that.

Finally, I will shared that the energy of his presence did have an intensity to it. I could feel this, but it did not have a heat to it. His light body was often bright and glaring enough while gently pulsing that I had to rub my eyes a couple of times (e.g., as if I was imagining it). However, he did not disappear when I did this. Basically, this was happening while the people on each side of me did not see him. Upon these realizations, it was clearer to me that this being was presenting itself from somewhere else. It was not "physically and biologically" there. These things (and the 2nd experiencer confirming what I had partially seen) helped me understand that this was a real thing. These were some of the visual things going on that quickly let me know this was not a "physical manifestation". This could only be concluded as representing Jesus (not someone else).

To this day, I have remained open to it being someone else, but I have never met anyone with a similar experience who could validate that. In fact, the only person that I know who has shared a similar experience with Jesus is described in Tom Kenyon's books (and that was his wife, Mary Magdalen). This is one the reasons that I have Kenyon's books.

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PS to Desert Rat ... I can assure you Jesus looked nothing like a mushroom.

PSS to Plasma ... I can assure you he was NOT smoking Marijuana. Don't even go there, sport!

[desert-rat]

There are a number of these on you tube .
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkYlxp2VPqI

[Subtle Traveler]

There are a number of these on you tube .
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkYlxp2VPqI

Again, Desert Rat ...

This is physical perspective.

In contrast, I have only been talking here about a direct, non-physical experience with Jesus after his physical death (and without any religious overtones).

I would observe that it is interesting now that you bring up Terence McKenna within another YouTube video ...

The early death of McKenna became a prime example about the effects of the over use of marijuana (and other drugs). In the days and weeks before his death at age 53 in Hawaii, McKenna consistently held forth with his doctors and friends that his 35 years of marijuana and other drug use was a reason for his body's decline (and maybe even the cause of the cancer in his brain). In fact, he specifically held forth with his doctors that his 35 years of marijuana use was the reason for the brain cancer.

So, I think that Terence McKenna's final moments as a human on this planet say much more about the realities of marijuana and other drug use ... and certainly more than a metaphorical YouTube discussion about mushrooms and Jesus.

[desert-rat]

Just putting that idea hear.  As I understand there were a few  guys going around preaching and doing healings , Jesus may of  been  based on one of these guys .  On the you tube video , there a few others saying the same thing . The one by McKenna , may of not been the best choise .  I dont know if long term drug use killed him , but it can take a tole on one .  People that have never used drugs get cancer , ect. 

[PlasmaAstralProjection]

It was not a pleasant experience. I was in shock. The strongest emotion I had was fear, but I consciously stayed as a full participant in the experience until it ended (about 10 minutes). I had to mentally remind myself to stay in the experience several times. And I did. I was not sure what to do with the experience. I was 15 years old and attending a summer camp.

The experience began with a visual distortion opening and closing out of corner of my right eye about 10 feet off the ground (like a door opening 12 feet away). It was like a saw it, but I turned my head to look at it, and I did not see it. I began to question the experience at that point. Then about two minutes later, Jesus was floating 15 feet in front of me. The other person who shared the experience with me saw him walking down a staircase out of the sky at the time I saw the door open (e.g., when I saw the distortion crack open with a sliver of light). Then, this other person saw him move around the campfire like I did.

He began right in front of me (15 feet). I could feel an energetic and it was overwhelming. This increased the shock and fear I was experiencing.There was no physical contact or communication from him. And, I was in too much shock to engage him. There were about 100 people at this event and only two of us were allowed to see him for unknown reasons. I had my arms around the people on each side of me - which was a good thing. I eventually relaxed my body as I felt the warmth of each person beside me.

Throughout the experience, he was simply visible in his light body from distances of 15 to 40 feet. Golden white light. He had a visible male body with no scars or markings or piercings. He looked human with some facial hair and long brown hair on his head. He looked like Jesus. I immediately recognized him as Jesus. I knew he was Jesus (and so did the 2nd witness). He was in a pale cloak or robe. He was not animated. He kept hands and other body parts still while floating about 4 feet off the ground. It was night time, so the contrast of darkness and his light body increased visibility of this detail. When he was at the further distance about 40 feet away, his light body had at least a 12 inch visible glow around it (like an aura). I could almost see through the body at moments. That was the most comfortable distance for me (energetically).

He changed positions at least three times, disappearing to the new spot and re-appearing to show himself. I was concerned that I was hallucinating, so I asked a friend next to me if she saw anything unusual (no!). This only added to my fear, but I stayed in the experience. When the event (a campfire) ended, I heard the second witness crying about 10 feet behind me. I went to them after someone else mentioned their experience, and this person gradually told me what they saw. I then shared my experience with them (as a confirmation of what they experienced). I knew then that I was not hallucinating, but I did not know how to explain the experience as a teenager.

This is the only time I have ever seen a non-physical being in the physical as a human. I am not clairvoyant. I have met non-physical beings in the non-physical since then including guidance (and had other non-physical experiences), but I have never seen him (Jesus) again in either the physical or non-physical. I know a former moderator from this forum who has met Jesus in the non-physical more than once, but she is a very skilled traveler (imo) and a clairvoyant.

Overall, I do not consider this a Christian experience. And, I have not been associated with any church in over 25 years. However, the contrast of this experience has guided me in my other experiences and perceptions of how the physical and non-physical is all one thing.

Thank you so much for sharing that. Yeah I bet that would have helped shape your views for sure. Thank you for taking the time to share that. It's interesting and makes me wonder how much he is still involved in our lives. Funny that your no longer involved with the church anymore after all this time. Thanks again. 

And sorry for the late reply. Some how I missed the email.

[Subtle Traveler]

It's interesting and makes me wonder how much he is still involved in our lives.

Funny that your no longer involved with the church anymore after all this time.

Once again, you are presenting a physical perspective of my non-physical encounter. It is not a measure of time whether a being who is non-physical is still involved or not. The physical and non-physical is all one thing. This was the contrast presented by my experience.

And, it wasn't funny or odd from my perspective. As I have already described above, the experience itself was shocking (as a human).

I maintained consciousness throughout the experience. This was not odd ... it was sanity.

[PlasmaAstralProjection]

Once again, this is physical perspective. It is not a measure of time (or other physical attributes) whether a being who is non-physical is still involved or not. The physical and non-physical is all one thing. This was the contrast presented by my experience.

And, it wasn't funny or odd from my perspective. As I have already described above, the experience itself was shocking (as a human). I was seeing and experiencing with clarity and full waking consciousness a known non-physical being from the perspective of my physical body. I could feel the bodies of others next to me. I could hear and see everything in the physical surroundings about me. I maintained my physicality throughout the experience. I additionally maintained my own physical identity.

Why would I continue to attend a church in these circumstances? Especially when the church held forth (and continues to hold forth to this day) that Jesus was something other than my experience with him. How is that odd or funny? The only thing that eventually resonated with me was leaving and staying away from the church and its system of beliefs about who Jesus was. This was not odd ... it was sanity.

The word funny was a poor choice of for a word there. I didn't mean that it was actually funny. I just meant that it was interesting. But yeah the reasons you left make sense. I no longer identify as a typical christian either.

[Drakoreo]

I was too lazy to read the other posts. I just want to say everyone can be their own version of Jesus, their own unique Messiah and blessing to the world only they can be.

[Xanth]

I was too lazy to read the other posts. I just want to say everyone can be their own version of Jesus, their own unique Messiah and blessing to the world only they can be.

Realize what that means though.  If everyone can be their "own version" of Jesus, then Jesus doesn't exist and all that you want Jesus to be is actually already a part of you.
So just skip the middleman and grab hold of that power within you which you already have and run with it. 

[Drakoreo]

Realize what that means though.  If everyone can be their "own version" of Jesus, then Jesus doesn't exist and all that you want Jesus to be is actually already a part of you.
So just skip the middleman and grab hold of that power within you which you already have and run with it. 

Whether or not humans have 'divine' powers or if Jesus existed, is existing, or will exist, is beyond what I can display, or prove at this time. But, being the best version of myself is surely divine to me, it has inspired, brought great love, big smiles, and laughter to others. To me, that is a holy, mystical, Messiah-like experience. It truly changes the world and lifts up lives. That's what Jesus is about, no?