Alpha to Theta to AP

[wolfmanthe1st]

It seems that when one does astrally project they are in the low theta brain wave state about 4 Hz.

My goal is to be able to accomplish AP at will.

It seems that if I can train myself to get into Alpha and then lower myself in the low theta state then I should have no difficulty accomplishing a AP in that state. The difficulty is lowering myself from Alpha to Theta without falling to quickly and completely going to sleep.

Any suggestions on preventing oneself from falling asleep while going deep into theta?

[Stillwater]

Yeah Theta / high Delta definitely is where it happens.

I think you may be trivializing actually reaching that state reliably though. The only time we reach that state in our lives is while we are asleep, more or less. If you wake up after 4-6 hours of sleep, you can slip into Theta as your body is trying to put you back to sleep, yet bring your conscious mind along with you. That is the only way I know of to reliably do it.

There are all sorts of aids, like Binaurals and Isochronics which try to get you into alternate brain wave frequencies. The ones for Alpha, Beta, and Gamma can be quite effective if you are open to them. Delta and Theta seem to be a lot less effective for almost everyone. At best they might help you get to sleep.

The state I mentioned after some sleep seems very special for this practice. Success chance is multiplied by x10 trying that situation over any other.

[baro-san]

During theta and even more during delta, your external senses are shut down, you're asleep, so you can't hear a tape, excepting over a threshold that wakes you up. You need to be in alpha to hear the instructions.

You should be able to astral project from alpha. Frank Kepple's rundown and Bruce Moen's priming the pump aim to hold your attention while you transition to the body-asleep-mind-awake state.

[wolfmanthe1st]

Thank you for your responses. I have tried Binaurals that I have found online.... none of them have had any impact on me. I did try them with headphones.

I have signed up for an OBE Intensive seminar where I believe they will be playing Binaurals at a 4 Hz level which is in the bottom end of the Theta range.

I am hoping to be able to teach myself to be able to bring myself to a lower brain wave state without the use of external stimuli.

I am curious if that author specifies how deep in Alpha one has to be in order to project.

[Xanth]

My experience is that there is no specific brainwave requirement in order to project. 
The trigger can happen at any point from Alpha and lower.

When I spontaneously project from meditation, I can assure you that I'm not very deep at all.

[baro-san]

You can get some inspiration from this post:

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_permanent_astral_topics/achieving_consciousness_state_for_astral_phasing-t2315.50.html

My favorite technique is Hypnosis. I go past Alpha and into Theta Brain Wave which is (hypnosis-Somnambulism-and Lucid Dreaming) all and the same. I dont go to the next 3 levels beyond Somnambulism which is the Esdaile State, Canatonic State,and the last is Ultra Depth or (Sichort State).

I can go into it with my key work "DEEPLY RELAX" which is a post hypnotic word I use for meyself. As I say it in my mind I go back to that same level of relaxation within seconds.

Here is the Hypnosis Script that I use. When you see each of these (...) pause for 4 seconds.  Speak softly and in a monotome voice. Have some else read it to you or tape it in your own voice on a tape recorder.  Lay back and don't cross your legs and have your arms on your side of your body.
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                    PROGRESSIVE RELAXATION
                           (supine)

Speak slowly and pause between instructions.  Have your subject(s) lay in a comfortable
Positioin.  It is recommended to have the knees raised up to avoid unnecessary strain of the back muscles.  A small pillow under the neck to help give support to the neck is also beneficial.  Be sure that any tight fitting clothing is loosened and jewelry removed during the relaxation.  Lighting should be lowered and to deaden the sound of outside noises, soft background music complementing your session could be played.  Please do not say, "SLEEP" during the progressive.  When bringing the subject(s) up, do not us the word "AWAKE".  (This is a camouflage method of hypnosis).  Remember, to avoid the word hypnosis at all times.  The wording is as follows. Start reading aloud below this line.
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Close your eyes and keep them closed until I ask you to open them.  Now I want you to take a deep breath, filling your lungs up completely and then let that breath out slowly...Now take a second deep breath and let that out slowly also...Now I want you to take another very deep and comfortable breath filling your lungs up completely and this time hold that breath...(long pause)...Now let that breath out very slowly and already you can feel your body begin to relax...

Now let that wonderful, comfortable feeling of relaxation flow ALL the way DOWN to your feet, just feel your feet becoming very comfortable and very relaxed...If you don't feel it in your feet right away don't worry about it, for it will gradually catch up to you...

Now let that wonderful, comfortable feeling of relaxation flow from your feet up into your ankles...from your ankles up all the large and small muscles of your legs to your knees...from your knees up all the large and small muscles of your thighs... into your hips...from your hips into your abdomen and with each and every breath that you exhale I want you to allow your body to go deeper into this wonderful relaxed state...

Now let that wonderful feeling of relaxation flow right up into your back...just let all of those large and small muscles of your neck relax...as it flows right up into your shoulders...over your shoulders...and down deep into your chest...such a wonderful feeling, just going DEEPER and DEEPER...as that relaxation flows down all the large and small muscles of your arms to your elbows...from your elbows down to your wrists...into your hands...all the way out to your fingers and with each and every breath that you exhale your body just keeps right on relaxing deeper and deeper...


Now let this wonderful feeling of relaxation flow up into your neck...feel all these large and small muscles of your neck relaxing...flowing right up into your head ...over your head...and DOWN into your brow...all the muscles around your eyes, relax...Now if you have your teeth clenched, just unclench your teeth and your body will relax much more...just let your jaw sag and all the body muscles will go loose and limp as a RAG DOLL as you go deeper into this wonderful relaxed state...

As I count from one down to three I want you to allow your body to go deeper into this beautiful relaxed state ... so One ... deeper and deeper ... Two ... more and more relaxed ...Three ... very deep, very comfortable and very relaxed ... with just pleasant, contented thoughts going through your mind and marvelous feeling going through your body, and your whole body is giving in, letting go...you're warm and comfortable...relaxing deeper as all the sounds around you send you deeper ... any sound that you hear sends you even deeper ... the sound of my voice sends you deeper ...

So, as I keep on talking you just keep on relaxing deeper and deeper into this wonderful relaxed state ... with each breath that you exhale, you go deeper ... the beat of your heart sends you deeper...any and all sensations that you experience send you deeper ... with each thought that you think you go deeper and deeper ... DOWN into a wonderful deep relaxed state ... just feel your muscles loose and limp as a RAG DOLL ...

Now again I will count, but this time I will count from one down to five and as I count form one down to five you will allow your body to double its relaxation...So one...your relaxation is slowly starting to double...two...your relaxation is doubling more and more ... three ... you're very comfortable and relaxed ... four your relaxation has almost doubled...five your relaxation now has doubled completely thoughout your whole body ... from the top of your head to the tip of your toes all the muscles in your body have relaxed and doubled their relaxation ... you feel so relaxed and comfortable that all of your muscles are going loose and limp as a RAG DOLL ...

Now again I will count from one down to five ... and as I count ... from one down to five ... this time the body will triple its relaxation ... one ...relaxation is starting to triple ... two ... relaxation is tripling more and more ... three ... you are very comfortable ... very relaxed ... four ... relaxation now has almost triple in the body ... five ... relaxation now has tripled in the body ... from the top of your head to the tips of your toes ... all the muscles have relaxed ... doubled their relaxation ... and tripled their relaxation ...

All the muscles are loose and limp as a RAG DOLL ... all the nerves are calm ... relaxed ... all the body tissues are rejuvenating in this wonderful relaxed state ... just sinking DOWN ... just letting go ... deeper and deeper into relaxation ...


Now again I will count ... but this time from one down to ten ... and this time as I count from one down to ten ... your mind will relax as your body is relaxed ... and with every count your body will double the relaxation it has at that time ... one ...your mind is relaxed as the body is relaxed and the body is doubling the relaxation it has at this time ... two ... your mind is relaxed as the body is relaxed and the body is doubling the relaxation it has at this time ... three ... the mind is relaxed as the body is relaxed and the body is doubling the relaxation it has at this time ... four ...
same thing ...five ... keep right on going ... six ... seven ... eight ... nine ...ten ...
your mind is completely relaxed as the body is relaxed and the body has doubled its relaxation many times over ...

You don't care what day it is ... you don't care what time it is ... you don't care about anything but how good you feel ... how wonderful you feel ... going deeper and deeper relaxed ...

Now I want you to go even deeper ... still deeper ... so this time double the relaxation you have in the body right now ... and when this is doubled I want you
to try to say "A" ...it only takes a few seconds ...you feel so good, so comfortable, so relaxed ... you don't even feel like saying "A" ...but now I want you to go deeper yet ... still deeper ... and when it is doubled ... try to say "B" ... again you feel so good, so comfortable, so relaxed ... that you don't even feel like saying "B" ... but now I want you to really let yourself go ... just as though you were on a spiral sliding board ... just sliding on DOWN to the basement of relaxation ... so again double the relaxation you have in your body at this time ...and when it is doubled then try to say "C" ... again you feel so good, so comfortable, so relaxed that you don't even feel like saying "C"...

So jusk keep on sinking DOWN deeper and deeper ... as I keep on talking the body just keeps right on sinking DOWN ... deeper and deeper ... into a wonderful...deep state of relaxation ... where the mind is passive ... and you feel wonderful ... where your arms are heavy ... where your legs are heavy ... very heavy ...very comfortable ... heavy feeling ... the arms and legs are so heavy, so comfortable, so relaxed that when I ask you to lift an arm or leg ... you'd find that they are so comfortable, so heavy, so relaxed that you don't feel like lifting them ... but nevertheless I want you to try to lift your left leg ...O.K. stop trying ... let it relax it feels so much better resting where it is ... it's so comfortable and you feel so good, so wonderful and so relaxed...

This will happen every day and every night ... and this wonderful good feeling will stay with you every day ... at all times ... deeper and deeper relaxed ... very deep ... very comfortable ... very relaxed ... such a wonderful ...comfortable ... feeling ...so loose ... so RELAXED ...you find that any time I say the words
"DEEPLY RELAX" to you ... immediately you will close your eyes and spontaneously go right back into this wonderful, deep, comfortable state of relaxation ... always enjoying it more and more ...
Always going deeper each time I work with you ... and every time I give you these positive suggestions, they will go deep into your subconscious mind ... they will be there when you need them ... every time I work with you it will reinforce all suggestions I have given to you before ... every day in every way you will be better and better, wiser and wise, happier and happier, healthier and healthier, feeling marvelous thoughout the day ...

Now I want you to pay attention to my voice and what I am going to teach you ... for I am ging to teach you to put yourself in this same state that you are in now, and this is how you will do it ...

         First ... make sure you are comfortable and safe ...
                                             Then ...set a time limit in you mind ...
                                                     Then ... close your eyes ...
 
Once your eyes are closed  ... take a deep breath and think 'RELAX', as you are letting your breath out ...

Then ... take another deep breath and think 'DEEPER' as you exhale ...

Then ... take another deep breath, and hold it for a moment ...Then as you let that breath out, think 'DEEPLY RELAX', .... already you can feel your body starting to relax ... DEEPER and DEEPER RELAXED ...

You will remain in this relaxed state for the amount of time you have set aside ... when that time has expired you will find yourself coming up and your eyes will automatically open ... you will feel refreshed, rejuvenated, wonderful and fine in every way, and all my suggestions tht I have ever given you ...That are beneficial to and positive to you will automatically be reinforced ... you will let this happen automatically and spontaneously ... going DEEPER and DEEPER RELAXED ... you will have good feelings and good thoughts at all times ...

AT THIS TIME POSITIVE VISUALIZATIONS
BRING YOUR SUBJECT(S) UP WITH THE FOLLOWING WORDING

On the count of one I will have you open your eyes ... on your own time ... you will be alert ... both mentally and physically ... you'll be rejuvenated ... you'll be happy, content and satisfied ... feeling marvelous in every way ... so, five ... gradually, slowly start coming up ... four ... coming up more and more ... three, coming up alert and refreshed ... two ... almost all the way up ... one ... on your own time, eyes open, all the way up, feeling wonderful and fine in every way!

[Windwalker.]

Many studies have shown that a float tank can easily induce theta brainwaves with hypnagogia. Ive also been thinking along the same lines and am gonna check out "floating" this year. On another note, this site was blocked earlier today because the server said it was a cult? Whats up with that?

[Stillwater]

Many studies have shown that a float tank can easily induce theta brainwaves with hypnagogia. Ive also been thinking along the same lines and am gonna check out "floating" this year. On another note, this site was blocked earlier today because the server said it was a cult? Whats up with that?

Ha, are you in the UK? I know a lot of sites like this are getting blocked there. While there may be some loopy folks here, the activity here doesn't show most of the classical cult traits to me.

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Specialized language and acronyms - Yes
Cuts members off from the outside and their families - No
Shuts down criticism and shames alternative viewpoints -  Mostly No
Is organized around the teachings of a person or a couple people - No
Offers path to salvation - Mostly No
Involves a sexual element - No
Asks members to make sacrifices - No
Asks for money - No
Asks for loyalty - No

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My quick audit (granted, biased as a mod), is: Mostly Not a cult.