Call to order (please)

Lysear · July 01, 2003, 14:48:35

I agree with Frank on this one, come on people grow up, we're all here for a reason, not to insult each other.

Squeek · July 01, 2003, 15:06:07

Ditto. Thanks for publicly announcing this.

~Squeek

Nay · July 01, 2003, 15:12:49

I want to apologize for my outrageous behavior..It just rubbed me the wrong way. I was married to a very physically and mentally abusive man and it hit too close to home. So, I apologize again..I hope you accept it...please??

On a lighter note last night I read Robert monroe's "Journeys out of the body" good reading! I am now starting to read "ultimate Journey"
I was quite fasinated by chater 6 REVERSE IMAGE where he went into the hole...WOW!

Nay. [

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bba · July 01, 2003, 15:17:58

Big heart ![:I]

Frank · July 01, 2003, 15:40:49

Nay, you have my deepest respect and there is absolutely no need for you to apologise. It's just that things have taken a funny turn, of late. It was Inguma locking that post that hit home to me. That's just never happened (well, not to my knowledge) in all the times I logged-on, here.

I took it as a sign that things had gone too far... which they have, when you look back. My main concern is, if the situation continues, Adrian will simply bar whoever he feels should be barred. But we are all adults, here. As such, we should never let situations get so out of hand that we have to impose on him to such an extent.

More importantly, if we did ever allow circumstances to get so out of hand that such was necessary... then we would *all* take a step backward.

Anyhow, that's just my "2-cents" so anyone feel free to contribute.

Yours,
Frank

Nay · July 01, 2003, 15:58:36

Thank-you for the kind words [

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I just want to go back to the way things were...light hearted, fun and full of great information!!
And Frank..you have been a BIG part of that..thanks!

Nay. [

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Frank · July 01, 2003, 16:49:18

Nay, I am so heartened by your comments. You really are a breath of fresh air across this board.

Thank you.

Yours,
Frank

no_leaf_clover · July 01, 2003, 17:17:41

mhm.. that kind of crap shouldnt exist on any civilized forum (referring to private message)..

Frank · July 01, 2003, 17:30:19

Silva, yes, I wholeheartedly agree. Fun is fun, and threats and wishes of death are *way* across the line. Someone already mentioned about how they have been shocked and frightened. I can well understand how you all feel.

Yours,
Frank

neg removal5 · July 01, 2003, 18:06:57

Hi Frank

Your call to order was a good idea until Silva started deciding to take shots again. Sweet innocent Silva "Oh Poor me I haven't done anything wrong at all". Frank Silva is the person who started everything. Go to the thread that Injuma closed, and you will see that she just jumped into that forum, and started something with me for no reason at all whatsoever. But she didn't do it on her own, she did it at her friend goingslow's request. They have a small little group of people that like going around trying to bully people off of the forum.

Frank if someone tried to do something for their buddy on a forum by jumping onto another forum and start insulting somebody for no reason at all, how would you react or feel by a direct attack like that with the person calling you stupid and an idiot and other things, and you had never even talked to that person on the forum before. You didn't even know them from Adam, and they just want to pop up and start something for no reason at all. What kind of a person is that. Well Silva is that person.

I originally got on this web page looking for answers to help people, and since I've been here I've encountered a lot of nice helpful people. But I've also encountered these small groups of 2 to 3 people who like to cause problems on the forums, and are not on the forums really to learn or find things out, but just to play around.

Look at the thread that Inguma closed out, and just see what Silva did. What I said to her on that thread was totally in self-defense. About 3 bullies on that thread and on other forums have been following my topics around and causing me trouble. I had finally had enough.

If you read some of those people's threads on the site that Inguma closed, you will see that those people were not wishing me will, nor were they wishing me anykind of long life, nor were they wishing me good luck in this life, the next life, or any other life.

I just said the same things back to them, and by "Hell" maybe I mean more that I hope there is a prison where groups of bullies like that can maybe be restrained so they can't go out trying to bully others or just jump on a site and start things with someone for no reason at all. Then after they do that they then go run to a moderator and say oh "poor sweet innocent me didn't do nothing" and look what this person said about me. If that doesn't work and the moderator doesn't buy their story, then they will jump on some other forum topic like yours Frank and say "oh look at poor me, I'm sweet and innocent and haven't done anything wrong", and try to get you to buy into it Frank.

I'm all for one ready for all of these comments and attacks to come to an end right now. But I'm not going to let a group of 3 bullies attack me, and think I won't say anything back to them in self-defense.

Also in reply to Silva's comments, she has edited that comment, I never called her a "filthy grump" she added that in herself, I guess to try to show how "sweet and innocent" she is. But all one has to realize she is the culprit behind all of this is to look at the thread that Inguma closed out, where it clearly shows that she just jumped into a forum and started trying to insult someone for no reason at all.

I will admit that I finally go fed up with being attacked by goingslow, Silva, Alchimiste, and a couple of others in their group. I sent each of them in there group a message, it was four messages, Silva has edited hers to try to get effect. However my 4 messages is pale in comparison to their 30 or more slanderous replies and attacks on me on my topics, that they had nothing beneficial to say about, and also would not stay away from.

I'm hoping the moderator will issue a statement to all parties involved that they are no longer allowed to post any replies on any topics created by the parties in conflict. And I also hope the moderator will make it where he says not to post and replies or send anymore e-mails between the parties either by a statement, or by just blocking the e-mail systems of the parties. Because I for one do not want to get anymore replies or anymore e-mails from any in that small group of bullies.

Frank always remember there are two sides to a story, and that truth is the truth even when it's in the minority as ghandi has said.

Frank you were right to do a call of order, but Silva was wrong to try to stir everything up again, especially since she is the culprit behind it from the very beginning. But even though that is the case it doesn't mean everyone should turn on Silva, because it was one of her supposedly friends that talked her into doing it. What needs to be done and said needs to be said to her friend, Silva, and everybody, that for now on we treat all new members with respect, and we seek to say things on the forum that help others and gathers information, rather than trying to attack and slander others because we either disagree with their beliefs, or we don't like them because they are not in our little tight group.

I for one apologize to you Frank, and to the others who were professional and respectful enough not to jump in and make things worse between the parties in conflict. To all those people I apologize. But it's hard to apologize to someone like the small group that I mentioned to you, who I never wanted to fight with to begin with and they just started things with me. I don't know if there can be any reconcillation between me and them. If they apologized to me for everything they said to me and tried to start with me, then I could probably apologize to them. Already though it has gotten to a point that even if me and those certain people apologized to each other, a rift has been created between me and those people, which might be okay to be there as long as we didn't have to much communication on the forums. In other words it would be difficult to have any good feelings toward each other after every thing that has been said and done. I guess a beginning point would be if all the parties involved went back and deleted all the non-beneficial posts that were made by them which would not aid in anykind of professional and respectful interactions on the forums. I would probably be willing to do that, as to leave all those posts and replies just invites more people reading them and possibly more arguments starting up, with people jumping in and not even knowing where everything began. I think people on the forum have a right to defend themselves when attacked, and that right shouldn't be taken from anyone. However, I think if all people on this forum will refrain from attacking others for no reasons at all, that there won't be anymore conflicts on the forum.

In Summary Frank, you were right to make a call to order. I hope that everybody on the forum will start acting in courteous and respectful ways toward others.

goingslow · July 01, 2003, 18:16:27

quote:
Originally posted by Nay

On a lighter note last night I read Robert monroe's "Journeys out of the body" good reading! I am now starting to read "ultimate Journey"
I was quite fasinated by chater 6 REVERSE IMAGE where he went into the hole...WOW!

Nay. []

I liked both of those books a lot too. I didnt really expect to for some reason but they were great. Im reading far journey's now which is a little different than the other two.. plus it's out of print.

BTW Nay hope you had a good day =)

jacob · July 01, 2003, 18:22:02

Hi,

Who is the negremoval guy.
What right has he got to cause such offence. I use this forum for advice and do not expect to have to read such filth.
I say that he is a negative and should be removed from the forum.

Jacob

bba · July 01, 2003, 18:25:01

Hello,

I think that we must act as the human beings !

I suggest celebrating that in astral local [

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Regards.
bba

Nay · July 01, 2003, 18:42:24

Tehehehehehehe...yeah..great day [

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That is why I couldn't find that book! I bought two of his books yesterday, and just couldn't find that one..why is it not out there?

What cha make of that hole he went in, and then live some other guys life periodically?

And the sex thing..uh umm....not ready to talk about THAT just yet, but some weird going ons...lol...

P.S.. goingslow..you field the guestion about Neg..LOL..

goingslow · July 01, 2003, 18:57:08

I need a nap. A post just disappeared *L*

oh well.. was meant to be and all that. We'll have to keep an eye out for eachother Nay. I mean with people's clout and all..[

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have a good evening I need a good siesta as they say here..

Frank · July 01, 2003, 19:05:07

quote:
Originally posted by neg removal5

Hi Frank

Mike, we are not youngsters. There's not two sides to this but many sides. Come on, buddy, since when was a complicated situation so cut and dried?

You say you are ready for these "attacks" to come to an end. But it takes courage to do that. Whichever way you look at it, people have taken offence, And it is up to you to deal with that. That's the thing about these forums.

Yes, maybe people do have friends who tell one another this and that. But such is only natural. Anyhow, if you wish to continue this conversation then please do so in private.

Yours,
Frank

neg removal5 · July 01, 2003, 19:10:15

As you can see

Jacob is a prime example of what I'm talking about. He enters a forum is not aware of what all has transpired, and based upon people posting non-beneficial replies on the forums, replies that the person posting it may have been the one that stirred everything up from the beginning, and then another fight or argument breaks out on the forum.

I'm not going to fight or argue with Jacob. But the situation shows how if one person on the forum has pull with another person, and they don't like somebody else for whatever reason, they try to get as many people as they can to attack the one person and stir up a lot of stuff on the forums concerning that person, so that when a new person or someone else jumps on the forum, without having any idea of what has been going on or what has transpired, they jump into the atmosphere of conflict and argument that has already been created on that forum, not knowing who started everything to begin with or not, and the arguments and fighting continues.

That is why if anything is going to be worked out, it's beneficial for old non-productive posts to be deleted. Otherwise you are going to have your Jacobs and a lot of others just coming in and stirring something up that has already settled down.

Frank again, you were right to call a call to order. And you are right that once the moderators see that the forum members can't courteously and professionally interact with each other without someone starting something else with somebody for no reason at all. Then the moderators or going to step in for the first time and do certain things, and once that first step has been done, the moderators will react much quicker next time with even minor things that they see could get out of hand, and when they originally felt the forum members could professionally interact amongst themselves, they will now think that is not the case. If we want the moderators to think we can handle these situations on our own, then we need to realize we all maybe contributed our part, and act like adults and treat all new members with respect and helpfulness.

Frank · July 01, 2003, 19:15:31

quote:
Originally posted by goingslow

I need a nap. A post just disappeared *L*

oh well.. was meant to be and all that. We'll have to keep an eye out for eachother Nay. I mean with people's clout and all..[]

have a good evening I need a good siesta as they say here..

Look, you two are way off-topic and you know it.

Yours,
Frank

jacob · July 01, 2003, 19:28:42

Neg,

I have to say that you are quite mad if you can't see why you have caused offense to people on this forum. You seem to think that people are ganging up on you for no reason, but the e-mails you have sent, for whatever reason are hurtful and vindictive and I don't see why people have to tolerate this childish behaviour.

Frank · July 01, 2003, 19:28:50

Mike, I'm not interested in how you think you might fight or argue with someone on this forum. All I care about is your contribution. Okay, it is very unfortunate that you got off to a bad start. But there are no more willing people than the regulars on Astral Pulse to put that all aside and have you begin again.

Yours,
Frank

Frank · July 01, 2003, 19:48:52

quote:
Originally posted by jacob

Neg,

I have to say that you are quite mad if you can't see why you have caused offense to people on this forum.

Jacob, do a search on "Helen from Manchester" and maybe you'll get a picture of how people get funny ideas.

Mike is an intelligent person and thinks, obviously, people here are ganging up on him for a reason. Problem is he got off to a bad start. Yes, he has sent emails that could be said to be hurtful. But the idea of this thread is to get all that into the open and move on.

Yours,
Frank

goingslow · July 01, 2003, 19:59:41

Just a to whomever cares thing. Its not like I called someone up and said Hey do me a favor.. come on this board.

I showed her the little arguments going on she thought it was funny.. she later on responded. Get over it already your colors have shown.

*L*@off topic thing.

BTW nay i thought him waking up as that other person was really cool too. Poor guy though didnt he lose his family after that? crazy stuff.

Frank · July 01, 2003, 20:07:25

James, you are off-topic.

Yours,
Frank

goingslow · July 01, 2003, 20:20:25

Not so much offtopic as mixing topics. There's this thread and another im reading ...if anyone else reads the other one my response made sense.
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=5350
last time, really.

Hey I already said i needed a nap.. Nay and I are at least trying. Give me a break its been a weird day. [

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neg removal5 · July 01, 2003, 21:21:18

Jacob

what you fail to understand is that I originally got on this site looking for certain answers, and had beneficial topics on the forum.

Then a small tight nit groups started attacking with attempted invalidating comments for no reason at all. Who is the more justified the person who first gets offended, or the person who gets offended because someone would dare defend themselves and say something back to them.

I got offended before any of these in the tight nit group did. I actually got attacked and offended a couple of times before I finally started saying something, back or defending my self. If that is called being mad, defending yourself, when someone tries to mess with you for no reason at all. And sane means letting people walk all over you. Then I would rather be mad under those definitions.

So you can say what you want Jacob, as you have not seen everything that has transpired. But if anyone has been vindictive or hateful which started all these things, I'm not the one in first place under those terms. I have always, with all intentions, had came on to the forums just to mind my own business, and to find out new information and to share knowledge with others. I just got pushed to my limit by certain people, and I lost it. And out of response I just wished that God would give them back everything they deserve. There was no death threats, just a strong wishing that God would give them what they had coming to them. What God chooses to do or not to do is up to God, and if he does choose to do something who can question him for it, and who can hold others liable for it. God defends the weak, those at a disadvantage, and the minority.

I just got pushed to my limit and lost it. I apologize that there were people on this forum who could push me to my limit. But there is one thing that is true in all of this, if there was anyone who was offended, I was the first to be, and the second to be. Finally I started defending myself only to find that there were to many people in the tight nit group to defend myself against. I probably had about as much as a chance as Spirit gurl did. I think she is smart and has moved on to other forums and topics and has been able to avoid certain people all together.

have a good day

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