Call to order (please)

[Squeek]

Hmm.  Interesting.

I see that age has become a factor yet again.  If nobody is lying (which I don't see how that can happen), Frank, Nay, and negremoval are way older than the average age of people that come here.  These are the people that have experienced it all.

Then there's me.  I'm just young enough for the kids to relate to, and just old enough so that I appear as educated and a person to look up to. Have I ever told you how much I enjoy being 17?  

As many people will learn in this world, people are people.  The phrase "civilized" has lost its vigor.  Civilized now has stooped to a new low.  Acting like people is also not a great way to characterize it.  People were designed to act on primal instincts, and we all still do.

~Squeek

[kromeknight]

Hello Frank and Everyone else
I'm glad I went away and missed all this. I'm not going to look up the past posts I  wouldn't want my view of eveyone tainted in anyway.
I like everyone here and can't see any point in  changing my perspective...  sorry if I got involved some where by my posting and sence of humour. So I've made one reply to Goingslow before reading this I will not reply to any of the inflamitary threads so hopfuly they will drop of the active list that I always look up I hope thats makes sence anyway Take care everyone []

[kromeknight]

PS I did log in a couple of times over the last day or so  and caught Nays post on AP [] "Congratulations Nay" [] I just hope I don't have to go away again so you have another one [:I]
But I didn't have time to look at any other threads in detail...now I'm beyond making any sence and are just looking silly lol. I'll  get it together soon.. talk to you all then []

[Nay]

Frank, Nay, and negremoval are way older than the average age of people that come here. These are the people that have experienced it all.

Geez..thanks Squeek!..lol..but don't put me in the grave just yet!..hehehe..I am definitly young at heart.[8D]..

Krome! Hey, welcome back [] And thanks for the congrats! It was awesome [^]..NICE new Avatar..! would it be rude if I said...ummmmm...Yummy?..lol..

Nay. []

[Tisha]

She's BAAAAAAAACK . . . [}:)]

I must say.  I don't even want to read those nasty little passages.  I'll state my point in a general sense.

It's OK to call it like you see it.  For instance, statements like, "I think you are wrong,"  or "In my opinion you really need a visit to your psychiatrist immediately" are fair game.  These are opinions, and opinions are OK.  They are allowed to offend.

It is OK if you are offended by someone's opinions.  That's your right as a reader.  And it is okay to respond, "what you said just offended me."  It gives the offending individual a chance to clear up any misunderstandings and/or apologize.

[!]WHAT IS NOT OKAY:   Aggessive, profane text intended to frighten, belittle, or obliterate other Astralpulse members.  It doesn't matter what the offending person did to offend you.  Remember, OFFENCE IS AN AFFECTATION ANYWAY . . . if you are feeling overly-offended by someone, you've got ego issues and need to spend more time on your personal development.

WHAT WILL GET YOU IN MORE TROUBLE THAN YOU CAN EVER IMAGINE:  Statements to the effect that "God" is "on your side" and willing to smite your enemies.  You will be laughed off the boards.  By the way, laughing at people's inane posts is OK.  Embarrassment can be very educational.

Thank you Frank, for your call to order.  Astralpulse is the best forum I've ever been involved in, and I'd like all of us to keep high standards.  As the forum gets bigger and bigger, it's going to get more difficult - - - rather like herding cats.  I just hope the mature (I won't say old; maturity can hit at any age) individuals involved with this forum take on the responsibility of reigning in other people's post-pubescent ego-rants as much as possible.  It's either that, or slink of into the sunset, and THAT would be the biggest sin of all.

[neg removal5]

Well it looks like some are on this board sincerely knowing there needed to be a call to order, and others are on this board seeking to get one in for their friend who created the conflicts to begin with.  

I won't mention any names.  But concerning whether or not someone can ever want God on their side.  I think it would be better to have God on yourside than the devil or negs.  And concerning if someone was under attack from someone, if God did happen to be on their side, and they did need help because of an outnumbered situation, whether meaning it or not they may ask God to help them with there enemies.  People ask Spirit guides all the time to help them combat their enemies, negs or anything else.  I think we should all go laugh at those people, because as we know, God nor spirit guides are never on anyone's side in a conflict, let alone will they go stop or smite some enemy or adversary who has chosen to engage in conduct that has harmful purposes for other entities.  

the question is when God or spirit guides harm some entity or entities does it therefore make God or the spirit guides bad people because they sought to stop, harm, or imprison certain entities that were engaging in things that were not right.

Is force ever justified in stopping oppression, whether the force or words used by the person is meant by the person or not.  If those words can actually put an end to the oppression, and insure that those certain entities never do things like that again.  Maybe in the Bible God never really intends to send anyone to "hell" even though he may punish some, he just said what he did as a deterrant so that he could hopefully restrain entities with "free wills" from going out and messing with other people.

It's a contradiction to take shots at someone out of one side of one's mouth, and then to talk about we need to have high standards out of the other side of their mouth. If people have tough skin they don't need to be embarrased about something, if they feel they did what was right to stop some kind of a oppression.  Some people can deal with a situation one on one, but when they see others messing with others they won't speak up because they do not have the guts to confront a small nit group, who may be causing the problems.  I stood up for what I though was right to put an end to the abuse that sometimes happens to new members who just come on the forum to try to find help for something.  If it comes down to it actually, I bet you, everybody on this forum thinks God and spirit guides are on their side, and will help them if they are ever attacked by one harmful entity or a group of harmful entities, and will put a stop to those entities or imprison them, or whatever.  Maybe we should laugh everyone off of this board according to the logic of some people, because everyone holds those beliefs.  At least they hold to them until someone dares to say something to one of their friends, because their friend is out starting things with people for no reason at all.  In that situation those people don't care if there friend was in the wrong or not, they are going to attack the person that their friend is in conflict with even if it means they are attacking a good spiritual guide, a Holy Angel, a good person, or God himself. Their attitude is, "Let's show these new people that we run the forum, and they better not speak up when someone violates their rights".  That is the way some people are thinking.  It's only a small minority of people, but those people need to learn to quit doing that.    

Bottom line is this, don't mess with other people and don't go around starting things with other people for no reason at all, and you have a good chance of being able to safely interact on this forum, except for those certain people who will start something with you whether you want to be a part of it or not.

But then again as some people think maybe we should be dressed to kill, and not just to maim.  I think such an attitude will not help a call to order.  I think any more response on this call to order should seriously address this issue, if anyone really is sincere about not stirring things up, and getting everything back to normal.

[timeless]

Dear neg removal5,

God cannot speak clearly to and through us until we clean up our innerself.  

A person with a clean inner self does not pack baggage or have big hot buttons that can be pushed to cause reaction.  I do not care who started what or what you said.  All I see is you are still reacting. We all have work to do in this department.

As long as your inside has negative baggage you will attract and attack the same energy.  You will not be a clear conduit to the God you love.

All I see is a person reving themselves up and then burning themselves up in their own fumes.  Inner hatred, anger, bitterness from our past usually brings us to this point.  The important thing is to face this within ourselves. Then other people's actions or reactions will not bother us as much.

Regards,
timeless

[neg removal5]

Timeless

I may have issues to deal with, but so do all people.  But you are talking to the wrong person.  You should be talking to the people who are going around taking shots at people and still trying to stir everything up.  Do you not think that people who take shots at people and go around stirring things up have any negative baggage?  Or do you think those people are crystal clean?  Why are you not addressing those people, when those people are the cores of the problem all together?

Which person do you think has the most negative baggage, the person who takes a shot at someone and starts something for no reason at all, or the person who doesn't like people trying to walk all over him and minds his own business most all the time but defends himself when attacked. Which of those people have the most baggage, and which of those people would someone who really cared about a situation address their comments to in order to find a solution to the problem or conflict.

If someone came up and physically attacked you, and I was close by, I wouldn't just say to you that you need to just quit reacting, and that by reacting you are showing negative baggage.  I would confront the other person instead and try to stop them so that they didn't harm you further.

I would not tell you that you are reving yourself up and buring yourself up in fumes.  Nor would I tell you that by reacting to the person that you are responding to your feelings of anger and hatred.  What I would do would be to analyze the situation, and try to determine who started what, and who was right and who was wrong.  If I thought that you were in the wrong even though you clearly showed that you did not want to be a part of the fight.  I guess I could sit back and address all my comments only to you and tell you not to react because it shows your inner baggage.  Or if I thought the other person or group was in the wrong, I would step and and immediately address them and help you.  If by chance you happened to injure your attacker by hitting him in the eye thereby saving your life, before I could get in and help you get him off.  I would still ask you if you were okay first, and get you help.  Only after first making sure you were okay, would I then seek to get the other person help who started it all in the first place.  I then would take him either to jail or the hospital.

But in no wise would I say to you just don't react because you are showing your inner baggage, and watch you get creamed.  I would address the attackers whether it was one or whether they were a bunch of friends attacking you.  And try to put a stop to it.  Becasue I would know that after I dealt with those people or attackers, there would no longer be a problem anymore anywhere, because you never wanted to be engaged in what you were in anyway, but in a way had no choice.

I really do not want your help in this situation, just like you would not want my help in a situation if all I was going to do was stand by and watch someone attach you, and say don't react because it shows your inner baggage.

If possible some of the other people on this forum who need help on inner baggage like the people making attacking comments might welcome your help.  You can check with them and see, if they want you to help them with their inner baggage.

[Adrian]

Greetings everyone,

I would just like to assure everyone that the type of thing that has been going on will not be tolerated.

We do not want to be seen to be supressing free speech etc., and indeed, until recently it was academic anyway, but with this number of members and increasing by a few hundred every month it was intevitable that some would come along and abuse the these forums.

We are on the verge of taking drastic action against certain member(s), and they know who they are.

My apologies to everyone else for having to tolerate this. We fully intend to return the forums back to their previous state ASAP.

I would also encourage everyone to send me a pm if you see anything unacceptable. It will be taken very seriously I assure you.

With best regards,

Adrian.

[timeless]

Dear neg removal5,

Who cares what they say?
Who cares about how pure they are?

We can only fix ourselves.
When we fix ourselves what others say does not bother us.

Why am I not addressing them?
Because you are the one under attack right now and only you can stop it by looking within and not outside yourself.

Regards,
timeless

[Rob]

A general point about negative situations: they exists by drawing more energy in to feed themselves, without this inflow they simply wither into nothing, fade and dissipate. In this case its people and posts.....

The situation can only be changed if all the parties involved change the negative to the positive (inflow -> outflow again). Based on what has happened, and the state of things now, can anyone here really see this taking place? - everyone learning from their mistakes and moving on? Sometime people are not looking to learn, only disrupt. Feeding them more energy can never be constructive.

Rob

[timeless]

Dear Inguma,

Only the people involved can answer that and need to tell Adrian in PM.  Reaction on the board is useless at this point.  

Changing self is the most difficult undertaking in the world.  That is why few try, fewer suceed, and why it takes so long.  Wars, arguments -- they are external expressions of the war within.  

Regards,
timeless

[Frank]

quote:
Bottom line is this, don't mess with other people and don't go around starting things with other people for no reason at all, and you have a good chance of being able to safely interact on this forum, except for those certain people who will start something with you whether you want to be a part of it or not.

I'm sorry, Mike, but that is not the bottom line. The bottom line here is, if you keep switching into offensive-mode then you run the serious risk of being barred from posting further. Like I say, this is a moderated forum, which means we all have to toe the moderated line. That rule applies to each and every one of us.

Yours,
Frank

[neg removal5]

Frank there is no contradiction in what I said and what you said

I haven't been in the offensive-mode since I have been on this forum.  I have been jammed into a "defensive-mode", which I would prefer not to be there either. But I've been jammed in that mode only by a small tight nit group.  Most all the people on this forum have been nice and helpful, and I've had no problem freely interacting with those people.

As I said the bottom line is that people just mind their own business, and not going around starting things with people for no reason at all, and a person's interactions on the forum should go just fine, except for the few people who will attack you for no reason at all (the few people who stay in the offensive-mode all the time)

We said the exact same thing Frank, there were no contradictions in our terms (you're just playing with semantics), and I agree people should be barred from this forum that are only on here to play around and cause problems with other people for no reason at all.  However people in the "defensive mode" should not be barred.  The people that should be barred are the people who are always actively in the "offensive mode".  Once the "offensive mode" people are not all there in their tight little nit gangs or whatever, no one will ever have to be in a "defensive mode" again.

However those gangs in the "offensive mode" shouldn't be barred until they are first given a chance to know what they are doing to new members and current members is wrong, and are given the opportunity to stop their behavior all together, and begin mutually respectul dialogue.

Those in the offensive mode should be given a chance first, and if then one or more of them still like going after a sheep like a pack of wolves, then something should be done.  But they should first be given a chance to change their ways before that happens.

[Frank]

Mike: What you said, and what I said, is not important here. The vehicle we are talking through is a moderated forum. Which means we *both* must express our opinions in the light of that.

No-one here is against you expressing an opinion. You can talk all day about the hurt you feel for posts on end. Provided you do so without resort to profane language.

Yours,
Frank

[neg removal5]

Frank

If those things were not important then why did we even bother saying them.

There are definately different subcultures on these forums.  There are the tight nit groups, some are nice and respectful, some are not. Amongst all the people on the forum there is a minority that should not be, but that is in the "offensive mode" concerning new members or people whose beliefs they disagree with.

Also profanity is not the only thing that people should work on, they also need to work on not calling other members stupid, all out idiots, ignorant, Pieces of ?, or whatever other terms that many of the "offensive mode" minority members like to use.  Along those lines they also need to refrain from trying to attack people until they finally push them to their limits.  We all have cussed every now and then when someone won't quit causing us problems, and pushes us to our limits.

My view on everything now is I'm just going to find people on the forums who are respectful and want to learn things and share information, and if a wolf happens to jump on that topic and start something with someone for no reason at all, I'm just going to e-mail a moderator.  I'm no longer going to try to use their own medicine to defend myself back.  I will just ignore their attack, and hope a moderator will deal with them if the moderator sees that they are on a particular forum not to be useful, but to just play around and cause problems.  That's my view of things from here on out.  I came on here to find beneficial information that I was looking for, I guess I had to learn how to wade through the different subcultures that are on the sites (even the ones that are looking to cause problems), and find the best method for dealing with those people who enjoy operating in the "offensive modes".

[ronaldo]

My god neg, give it a rest, I'm sick of hearing the same crap over and over again

[neg removal5]

Frank

Do you see, my point exactly.

You can describe a person that jumps into a conversation like you and me are having, and says the things that you just saw the person say, as one of the people who are on this forum who enjoys always engaging in the "offensive mode".  

There is a minority of people who whether because of maturity or some other reason like to cause things and act in a "offensive mode", even when someone is trying to engage in a serious or mutually respectful conversation.

However, I'm not going to report him to a moderator.  But I think you see my point.  I'm here to learn things, and I'm just going to find people who are interested in the same thing.

[ronaldo]

neg

i'm not in offensive mode, i'm just trying to tell u that u r boring the pants off me

[Frank]

Mike, I respect the fact you recognise that we are engaged in a mutually respectful discussion. On the other hand, this is an open forum and people of all ages are wecome to take part.

Yours,
Frank

[neg removal5]

Frank

I never said that people of all ages weren't allowed to engage in conversations on the forum.

Our conversations has been about how to handle difficult situations that may sometimes occur on the forum, because of the interaction of "offensively mode" type people, who are usually in the minority.

I think in our conversation we found the answer to that question, but it did kind of help that while we were looking for the answer, we had an example of a person who engaged on the forums in a "offensive mode" posture, to shed light on our conversation and the answer.

Just as that person had a right to interact in our conversation, so do people on the forum who are looking for answers and information have a right to find the best way to defend themselves from "offensive mode" people who might come to their sites or forums to cause problems or take shots at other people.

From talking to you, I believe an answer that we can somewhat agree on is to report such an individual to a moderator if their behavior is going to keep being a source of problems.  The solution is not to give them their own medicine back, but to just let the moderators handle "offensive mode" people who just won't let up on new members or others who believe differently than them.  Another answer is to realize there are a lot of different subcultures, some that maybe aren't very nice, and just the awareness of that fact alone will help you not let people bother you or push you to your limits.  

We all have things to work on, as again my only intent when coming to this forum was to gain information and share things with others.  I did not expect to encounter many of the things that I encounterd, and it has taken me a little bit to know how to properly respond to things going on that I saw were not right, and to not let those things affect me.

[ronaldo]

neg

you can't fool us with all that crap. at the end of the day you showed your true colours when you sent those letters

[timeless]

Dear Ronaldo,

How are you helping this situation?

There is always a bigger fish.  Perhaps I will play the bigger fish and ask you, "Why did you post the same boring, button-pushing dribble.  Then someone else will come along and ask me the same stupid question.  What a FUN game![]

We all have buttons Ronaldo. Some are easy to find because most of us have the same ones.  For example: We all want to be respected, we all want to be important.

It is one thing to stubble across a button and accidentally push it hard and react disproportionately when our buttons are pushed in return.  Another to intentionally push buttons.

The only solution is to not point the finger at others but to encourage self reflection.  We all need to self reflect more - you and I are included in that 'we'.

All you have suceeded in doing is once again encouraging NegRemoval5 to look at the stupid world around him AGAIN.  This will solve nothing.  We have to straighten out the world within before the stupid world outside starts making sense.  We start realizing we all suffer from the same root problems. INSECURITY spawns a desire to be right, a desire to defend ourselves to maintain our precious commodity -- our image of being respected.  INSECURITY also spawns a desire to look OR THINK we are better than the next guy -- so we can look IMPORTANT.  We cannot respect and understand others until we respect and know ourselves.  We cannot love others until we love ourselves.

Look within instead of pointing outside yourself.  You and I are no deeper or better than the next guy.  We just have different buttons with different degrees of response.  

Regards,
timeless[]  

[ronaldo]

hi,

i'm sorry but i haven't reached that spiritual level yet, but u'd think neg would have considering that he's 37

[kromeknight]

Hi Neg Removal5
I can see your point of view sometimes!... but I wouldn't keep it as it's a no win situation for all concerned. when I first posted I asked for replys defined by my own expectations..I imposed rules on others on what I wanted to hear and was a bit rude when it fell short. I learnt quickly that this was wrong of me and I was very lucky to get any replys at all. These forums are open for anyone to reply to so you can't get angery if someone jumps in with there opinion, if you want a private chat use the the option for it. I can see just from this thread that we are all going round in circles hence the no win out come. It's not wrong to express an opinion differing from others but it is tragic when confusion and ego clouds the mind. Wrong words were obviously used by ppl but there are no sides, we are all on the same side in laymans terms.
Getting back to your oringal post in hindsight you could have used the search option and read past post to answer many of your questions then implemented that knowledge and then posted for help with those experiences there by giving all concerned a clear path to grow in knowledge for the best possible out come. For whats it's worth I think we all have learnt something from all this but that 'something' is up to the indivdual to realise. IMO[]
Take care all

Ps Nay [:I]