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When are they coming, how do you know they are coming, and why and how do I prepare?
Thanks,
M

Combat Skill

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i'm not sure what to belive on this subjuct apprently there will a pole shift and most of the human race will be destoryed.

MJ-12


no_leaf_clover

V-LP isn't referring to a pole shift. he was just fooling around on the boards.. he's a friend from school and i told him to sign up here and post something. so he did..

"annunaki" is a sumerian word meaning "those who from heaven to earth came." 'heaven' was the sumerian term for the asteroid belt, the 'hammered bracelet', where a stray planet (nibiru) once came into our solar system and pummeled an already-existing one (tiamat), as is described in the 'enuma elish', the sumerian epic of creation. this planet then took up an extremely elongated orbit of 3600 years.

the biblical creational story seems to have derrived much, if not all of its content from this sumerian tale or one of its later forms. the sumerians have influenced the human race more than we give them credit for. they had the first buildings, streets, musical instruments and written notes, markets, seaports, and even prostitutes. keep in mind that this was our first civilization; before this, we were living simply, as a race of nomadic hunters.

the sumerians were way ahead of their time. in fact, they shouldn't even have existed. according to the theory of evolution, sumeria should have never popped up, and we should still be living as cavemen. that's the major fault in the theory of evolution: it explains every species on earth perfecty, except humans. as we approach modern times, there are huge gaps in our evolution. we simply jump from one species to another with no time in between. from hunting to farming in a split second in terms of evolution.

and although we can't explain this, the sumerians can, and did, on many, many clay tablets. they explained how beings came down to earth and genetically altered the human-like creatures already here so that we were more intelligent. these aliens, the annunaki, were from a planet IN OUR OWN SOLAR SYSTEM: nibiru, the planet that had invaded our system billions of years ago!

this post is long enough, already. i am aware that this can be hard to swallow or sound completely illogical, but there is *TONS* of evidence to back it up, and if you accept it, it explains many, many mysteries of both the ancient world and the modern. if you want more info on any of this, or proof of it all, then just pick up some of zecharia sitchin's work from the earth chronicles series. 'the 12th planet' is a good book to start with.

as far as when nibiru is going to come back around, no one is certain, but it is definitely drawing near. it could be here in mere years. you can only prepare mentally by expecting them and not being taken by surprise. you should also know that the last time nibiru came aroud, the great biblical flood occured, and there were possibly millions of casualties (only 1 survivor: ziusudra, the biblical 'noah'). it's very possible that many people will die on its next perihelion, as well.
What is the sound of no leaves cloving?

MJ-12


no_leaf_clover

nibiru has had lots of effects on the solar system that scientists fail to piece together. there are the things you said, plus much more.. rise in earthquakes, volcano activity, solar activity, storm system fluctuations, debris falling to the atmosphere, the asteroid belt, the slight elongation of the orbit of *all* the outer planets (and this has been around for ages.. no moving solar system theories here), the great pacific crater, as well as non-physical evidence: encounters in the astral, premonitions, prophecies, etc.

all of these things can be explained by a 10th planet in our solar system that carries advanced life, and that's not even mentioning all the evidence that can be gathered from the ancients!

no one can be sure what is going to happen.. i don't know if the annunaki themselves know. unfortunately, the earth is overpopulated. there isn't enough food to keep every organism on earth in good shape, and this is our fault. there have also been many horrible wars in the last few centuries, as well as many massacres and murders. WW2 and the holocaust stand out most.. but there are all the wars in between and before. we've strayed from how they set us up to be. we've even forgotten who they were. so i would suspect many deaths here on earth. but, that *would* be a sort of spiritual ascension, would it not? because we would all ascend into the astral..

prophecies tell that most of the population will be destroyed (1/3 to 2/3), but there will be some survivors. i would suspect the annunaki would, once again, set up a government for us and leave us to ourselves again. maybe a few will even stay behind with us this time. it's hard to tell, but those few things i believe will happen are relatively obvious. even sitchin himself says things don't look good for us, as far as the possibility of casualties go.

but like mayatnki has said, a new era is beginning. we are heading into a new age of peace and increased spirituality. what the annunaki do to us is in our best interest. it's something to look forward to [:)]
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Combat Skill

thansk a lot for clearing that up, no_leaf_clover, I was was a little confused about this subject.

no_leaf_clover

no problem, combat. really, i'd like to 'clear up' a whole lot more people than i have.
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Combat Skill

Is any of that actually going to happen?
do you have any infomation i can read up on on this?

no_leaf_clover

the earth chronicle's series by zecharia sitchin. 'the 12th planet' is the first book in the series. the books are small enough so that you can read them in your spare time and have them done in a week. the books offer both all the information and all the proof.

there are several sites you can find on the internet that have more of sitchin's information and excerpts from his books, but the books themselves are where most of the information is.

i'll admit that the book is pretty dry at first, unless you like reading about the faults of evolution, but once it gets into the good stuff, i, at least, had a lot of trouble putting it down for anything. i was actually read at home and looking forward to visits to the bookstore [;)]
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Euphoric Sunrise

I'm new to this theory, but already i find it a pretty plausable idea. It explains Uranus' (i think that's the planet) topsey-turveyness, asteroid belt, pluto's strange orbit (i heard it once was a moon (i'm not good with planet orders so don't ask me which planet, but it was the one before it)). It also explains those gaps in evolution etc.
Well whatever is going to happen, i'm looking forward to it.
There's more (very) detailed discussion of the subject here: http://pub39.ezboard.com/bhuntforplanetx
I hope i was allowed to do that [?]
"The soul is never silent, but wordless"
* Emperor - The Tongue of Fire

no_leaf_clover

if you look at any map of our solar system that has the orbits of the planets to some sort of scale, you will notice all outer planets stretch to the side and many have strange magnetic fields/rotations/'topsy-turviness'.. and pluto is believed to be a former moon of neptune, but the ancient sumerians say that it was a moon of saturn's originally. nibiru dragged it out.

yes, ES.. the hunt is on! bwahahaa..

i'm going to post a summary of sitchin's 'stairway to heaven' in the book reviews forum later. you might want to check that out. i'm condensing each chapter of the book into a few paragraphs each. just remember the actual book is much more thorough.
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Tayesin

Hi Folks.  

An old lady taught me about the Annunaki and their home world of Nibiru.  She had spent thirty years working with the British Museum to decipher the many Sumerian clay tablets.  She chose to decipher the ones that were put into the too hard basket, and has copied them into plain english with no additions on her part.  The stories are fascinating, especially for the way the ancients described things about our solar system and planetary mechanics that we have only just discovered very recently with our sciences.

Her figures for the re-appearance of Nibiru into our solar system worked out to 2003, give or take 3 years either side.  She also provided information about exactly where it passes through on this cycle.  This time it comes through the asteroid belt and skims around the Mars orbit.  Pretty damn close to us for a planet 12 times the size of Jupiter.  And it doesn't take a genius to work out that it must dislodge Asteroids from the belt as it passes through, no prizes for working out that we will probably be hit by some of these during it's passage.  Or after.

Over the last 5 or 6 years we have been able to observe the effects of it's approach on Earth and the sun cycle.  For the past 3 years I have been watching the U.S.G.S. site and have seen the increase in the number of earthquakes, the magnitude and the fact that the majority are now happening closer to the surface.  Less than 33 Kilometres below the surface.  These increases tell us that the Earth is feeling the effect of a massive disturbance in our solar system.  There are many other indicators of this disturbance, including the changing weather patterns.

The planet will pass by us on the other side of the sun and we will experience all the earthquakes, volcanics, and flooding that has been predicted.  But to what degree is un-known.  Approximately seven years later, Nibiru returns on the same side of the sun as Earth will be.  So the previous effects will be multipied.  Although this is nothing new, it has happened many times.  

Most people saw that all the predictions for '99/2000 didn't happen, so they thought 'Phewy', and forgot it.  Many ancient legends tell us the people will forget when the signs come in the sky and nothing happens.  They came this time round too, and most people have forgotten.  Those legends say that once the people forgot,  then the disaster strikes.  We may find out soon.

While many of the web sites posting Annunaki/Nibiru/12th Planet stuff are very interesting, please read with a discerning spirit, as there is much dis-information.  Isn't that always the way?  A grain of truth is distorted in the name of control.   Love always.


no_leaf_clover

hey tayesin! noticed a few inaccuracies in your post i'd like to clear up..

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She also provided information about exactly where it passes through on this cycle. This time it comes through the asteroid belt and skims around the Mars orbit. Pretty damn close to us for a planet 12 times the size of Jupiter. And it doesn't take a genius to work out that it must dislodge Asteroids from the belt as it passes through, no prizes for working out that we will probably be hit by some of these during it's passage. Or after.


nibiru has always came through the asteroid belt. in fact, nibiru created the asteroid belt when its orbit caused it to slam into a planet that then became the asteroid and earth. there is much evidence of meteor showers on both earth and mars approximately 3.9 billion years ago, when nibiru first entered our system. this evidence comes from craters on the moon and on the surface of mars that date the same age. if scientists were capable, they would find that the pacific crater is also about 3.9 million years old, as is the asteroid belt itself.

however, nibiru is believed by sitchin to be about 3 or 4 times the size of earth. if it was 12 times the size of jupiter, life would have a hard time evolving towards anything as much as a foot tall, let alone beings taller than us. the planet itself would also have many issues with its own gravity. it would have a hard time not crushing its core into huge explosions of atoms.

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The planet will pass by us on the other side of the sun and we will experience all the earthquakes, volcanics, and flooding that has been predicted. But to what degree is un-known. Approximately seven years later, Nibiru returns on the same side of the sun as Earth will be. So the previous effects will be multipied. Although this is nothing new, it has happened many times.


your positions of nibiru, the sun, and the earth during nibiru's arrival are inaccurate. as evidence for this, the earth completes a whole revolution around the sun in 1 year, so it would only take half of a year for earth to go from behind the sun and nibiru into a position in between them, not 7.. unless nibiru was making some funky movements itself, playing peek-a-boo.. nibiru is speeding towards us at an ever-increasing speed as the sun pulls us in, and it won't be near us for too long before zooming back off into space. it will only be visible in our skies (by the naked eye) for 1 or 2 years at the most.

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While many of the web sites posting Annunaki/Nibiru/12th Planet stuff are very interesting, please read with a discerning spirit, as there is much dis-information. Isn't that always the way? A grain of truth is distorted in the name of control. Love always.


most sites that follow sitchin's work will be accurate for the most part. i have found sites that put words in sitchin's mouth, or misinterpretted his statements, but for the most part, they're good. i wish they would post more of sitchin's evidences, though, instead of his theories alone, because this makes everything seem totally unlikely.
What is the sound of no leaves cloving?

MJ-12


no_leaf_clover

from what i understand, nibiru has an extremely dense atmosphere, especially in more recent times when they came to earth for gold,
this is just a small planet, relatively (bigger than earth but still pretty small).

because the gold was to reinforce their atmosphere. with an atmoshpere dense enough, you could have a planet hotter than venus easily while near the sun, then from there the atmosphere would gradually cool, obviously, but enough to stop life from evolving? their life may have been aided by the grays, too, which would account for a lot of things both on nibiru and earth. from what i understand, the grays were among the earliest bipedal races, which came from the sirius system. you'll have to take that subject up with mayatnik. so from there its just a matter of surviving the harsh temperatures as you near and pass the sun.

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Tayesin

Hi Folks.
No Leaf, thank you for the input.  The old Lady who deciphered those tablet texts was in regular communication with Mr Sitchin during the many years that they both worked on the translations for the British Museum.  

She also took him to task on his interpretations, as he did what many people do in that situation, he elaborated.  Where as this wonderful old Lady chose to decipher the texts into plain English language, no extra meanings included.  Where he states as fact that the Annunaki suspended the gold they had mined from Earth into their atmosphere, you can safely say that it is fabrication.  The original texts never said that.

I have studied the deciphered texts first hand (have them on my desk now)and they explain that Nibiru has an orbit that is elongated, making it turn around our sun, not just whizz by it. Our Sun is the Massive object that grips Nibiru and turns it onto it's outward path.  And, in the texts Nibiru is claimed to be 12 times the size of Jupiter, NASA confirmed this 3 years ago in one of their very rare reports on this subject, although they also included the mis-information that it's orbit was 6 million years.  

Further information about Nibiru's orbit is given in the texts.  As with all other bodies that orbit around anything, the path they take is not set in concrete.  Even the Earth has a 6 degree variance in it's orbit, this is what creates the Ice Ages.  So according to the texts, Nibiru also has a variance in it's orbit, so it does not always come through the asteroid belt that it created millions of years ago.  This time around, it does.  This eloquently explains why there is not always devastation when it comes through the solar system.

As for how the Niburians got to be so tall if they live on such a massive planet....who says they are tall, who says that Nibiru has such a huge mass for it's size ? None of this appears in the original texts.  Dis-information is rife in the world No Leaf.  

As for how they survive the depths of space while their world is zipping through the darkness; A group of us journeyed in spirit to the planet and found no evidence for life on the surface.  What we did find however, was that they live inside the planet.  We found entrances to their world within a world. So that goes some way to explaining what we don't understand.

All I can say is, when you are looking at websites about Nibiru, let your Soul filter the information you are reading...it's the easiest way to the truth.  Not all of Mr Sitchin's claims are factual, and so that also applies to websites based on his work.  He is not the foremeost authority on this subject, he is only the most obvious.

So that brings me to the end of this post. Thank you No Leaf for bringing these things to my attention, and for the opportunity to clear things up a little.  Love always.

RandomName

JEEEEZ MAN. I have built my beleif system on my own experiences and eventually declared being agnostic. Now that I am hearing this, its starting to make sense... If you take 5 seconds to think about it, comparing all this information to the current truth and to ancient writings, its all sensible.... When i say ancient writings, I am NOT referencing the bible being that it is just a controlling book of quarter truth that has its grip on far too many people.

Seriously though, people have almost reached their peak of lifespan for our environment and the ancient calenders are getting closer to their ends and there is ALOT more spiritual activity in my vicinity.

Anyone else here think that our group(meaning projectors and spiritualists) seriously COULD be the only ones expecting the inevitable end? You guys got me thinking and im going to start practicing projection more and dream induction, along with some Psionic energy control if I can retouch my skills. Demonic Warfare was one part of the bible that caught my interest, and could that possibly be part of what is to come?

Ill cyall later, Im gonna go become a hermit for a year or two and figure this out :-P JK

Nice info, its very interesting and creates ALOT of questions. Nice post. Later :-D

MJ-12


no_leaf_clover

tayesin.

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Where he states as fact that the Annunaki suspended the gold they had mined from Earth into their atmosphere, you can safely say that it is fabrication. The original texts never said that.


the texts were written by primitive people that were as bright as they were simply because of their exposure to the annunaki. the sumerians themselves knew nothing of atmospheres, or how things operated outside their own planet, so naturally they wouldn't write such technical things. one only has to look and what they *did* write to conclude that that is what the annunaki were after.

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I have studied the deciphered texts first hand (have them on my desk now)and they explain that Nibiru has an orbit that is elongated, making it turn around our sun, not just whizz by it. Our Sun is the Massive object that grips Nibiru and turns it onto it's outward path.


you can read sumerian? wow.. until now i've only heard of only 2 or 3 people on the *whole of earth* who could do that, and those people just have to make educated guesses on many of the words, because there are no Rosseta Stones for the sumerian language. i guess you mean you have *copies* of the texts, too, since not only are they ancient and extremely valuable, but were made of clay.

nibiru does 'whizz' by us compared to the rest of its orbit. as niburu, or a comet, or anything else of an elongated orbit approaches the sun, it increases speed so that it's going at its fastest as it curves around and shoot back out into space. see this page: http://users.lycaeum.org/~martins/nibiru.html

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And, in the texts Nibiru is claimed to be 12 times the size of Jupiter, NASA confirmed this 3 years ago in one of their very rare reports on this subject, although they also included the mis-information that it's orbit was 6 million years.


if nibiru is the size you say it is, and it is indeed a solid planet, then, once again, there is *no way* life can evolve to be very tall, and upon its initial entry into our solar system, it would simply fly off into space and never come by again! what you are suggesting is simply impossible. once again, i emphasize that nibiru is approximately 2 to 3 times the size of earth, as zecharia sitchin himself claims publicly, regardless of what he has told your museum lady.

also, i would like to see some sources on NASA commenting on nibiru. as far as i've heard, NASA has never acknowledged the existance of another planet. if they have, i wonder why we don't learn about it in schools? are these classified documents that only certain people have access to? if so, how are you entitled to view them? and if the orbit was 6 million years, we would be practically hopeless to discover it within any decent amount of time.

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As for how the Niburians got to be so tall if they live on such a massive planet....who says they are tall, who says that Nibiru has such a huge mass for it's size ? None of this appears in the original texts. Dis-information is rife in the world No Leaf.


to answer your first question, the sumerians, and your second, modern science.

the sumerians *did* report the annunaki as being people that were generally pretty tall, but not enough to be considered 'giants'. there are even depictions of the annunaki alongside mortal men, and they are depicted being about the same size. just take the epic of gilgamesh for example. go dig it up out of your texts, since you must have it if you have any other texts! i mean the epic of gilgamesh must be the most famous sumerian text of all time, so if you have *any* texts at all, you must have it!

and as far as the mass.. nibiru is known without question to be a terrestrial planet. it would be insane to say nibiru was a gas giant like jupiter or saturn, right? of course. so, according to you, nibiru is a *terrestrial* planet, 12 times bigger than jupiter, a gas giant! terrestrial means that the planet is made of solid materials, which are vastly denser than gases. so if this planet was 12 times bigger than jupiter, the mass of the object would be *enormous*, and *anything* that *ever* evolved on it would be puny! once again, 2 to 3 times the size of earth, approximately.

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As for how they survive the depths of space while their world is zipping through the darkness; A group of us journeyed in spirit to the planet and found no evidence for life on the surface. What we did find however, was that they live inside the planet. We found entrances to their world within a world. So that goes some way to explaining what we don't understand.


that's not something that would surprise me. see some of my other posts regarding the annunaki, and you'll find that i expressed what you just posted as a possibility for life on nibiru. that's nothing new to me.

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All I can say is, when you are looking at websites about Nibiru, let your Soul filter the information you are reading...it's the easiest way to the truth. Not all of Mr Sitchin's claims are factual, and so that also applies to websites based on his work. He is not the foremeost authority on this subject, he is only the most obvious.


tell me, how does my soul filter information? i must really be in the dark on this, because i have no idea. sitchin's claims are as factual as anything based off of the sumerians themselves can be. he *is* the foremost authority on the subject as far as i know, unless you or your museum lady want to claim that title for yourselves.

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So that brings me to the end of this post. Thank you No Leaf for bringing these things to my attention, and for the opportunity to clear things up a little. Love always.


you're not clearing anything up, but rather going against what is reasonably held about nibiru with claims that are simply ignorant in terms of astronomy.

mj-12.

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Whoever said that the annunaki had anything to do with nibiru?


the sumerians, the babylonians, egyptians, etc., zecharia sitchin, and me, just to name the few that come to mind immediately. of course the different cultures had their own names for the beings. annunaki literally, in sumerian, means 'those who from heaven to earth came.' thats if you accept commonly-held beliefs on the sumerian language. 'heaven' is more accurately the asteroid belt, referring to nibiru while it was in the asteroid belt.

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BTW, I've read several websites that state that Nibiru actually refers to...JUPITER. NOT some planet X out there and that Sitchin was very "liberal" with his interpretations and translations of the ancient texts.


these claims were immediately proven impossible by sitchin himself on his website. simply go here and read: http://www.sitchin.com/teapot.htm
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Tayesin

Hi folks.

Ok No Leaf, sorry to have offended your sensibilities on this subject.  Yes, the the deciphered texts that I have in my possession are copies, original copies from 'the museum lady'.

Again, Annunaki suspending gold mined from here is not in the texts, Okay. IT IS NOT. So I am only basing the info I post from the texts in front of me, and certainly do not assume anything about this subject.  Nor do I 'conclude' anything from what I read, except to help dispel some of the tripe that has been written about this subject.

I claim nothing for myself, or for 'the museum lady', I only wanted you to understand that while Mr Sitchin is the most visible person in this field, some of his peers have had long term concerns with his elaborations.  I take nothing away from the man, he has done a great deal to bring this information to the masses, and he has made bucket loads of $$$$$$$$$$$$$ from the books!  

But, No Leaf, as an obviously intelligent person, you must know that you cannot believe everything you read.  It would be foolhardy to do so.  As for how the texts were deciphered, please research more before you make derogatory remarks about someone you do not know.  

As for the apparent truth you claim on how Nibiru will travel through our system, it too may be flawed.  The info I posted is based solely on the DECIPHERED texts, so I tend to remain close to the the first hand information it provides.  Nibiru will NOT whizz past us and continue on out into space, it will turn around the sun over the seven year period the the sumerians tell us.  So, according to their information, it will come past the sun, turn and come past again on it's way out.  It really is simple to understand.  No amount of mechanical info on the net will persuade me on this until we see it being substantiated by official reports as the planet comes very close.

As for it's size, Mr Sitchin told 'the museum lady' nothing.  She deciphered this information herself, as yes, she does read ancient cunieform.  Let me say just to qualify this statement with you, this lady has 32 letters after her name, which makes this 60 year old woman far more educated than both you or I, and possibly even Mr Sitchin.  So let's not get into a who's info is right debate here, because that does not apply to any discussion on this topic.  

The Sumerians tell us in the texts that Nibiru is 12 times the size of Jupiter, they say it, and no one alive on this planet can tell us that it is not possible.  We do not know the make up of Nibiru, so we do NOT know it's mass.  So we can only speculate on the possibilites of how life came to reach any size there.

I came to know that NASA reported finding what they called the tenth planet of our system, by discussions with an astronomer who runs one of the large privately owned observatories here.  He was very much against the Nibiru theories and he discussed the info with me as a way of proving his argument.  Australian newspapers also ran the article two years ago, a full year after the initial report.  As for why you have not seen it I could not say, maybe you were not meant to see it.

As for the Niburians height, when you said they where tall, I automatically thought you meant taller than us, as a race.  Oops, I assumed something didn't I ?  Yes the Sumerians tell us that the Niburians are about the same height as us. " Made in our image."

We humans think we know just about everything and that what we don't know we can work out by our sciences.  How egotistical is that?  We are only touching the tip of the iceberg as far as planetary mechanics and the how, why and when of the solar systems creation.  Yet the Sumerians left us with information they recieved from the Niburians that in some cases we have only JUST discovered in the last 5 years.  Particularly the fact that planetry objects do not collide in space, but rather, they rip each other to pieces and form new planetry bodies in the space between them.  So do not be fooled into thinking we KNOW that Nibiru must have a huge Mass for it to be so large.  We are only guessing, using what little we do know to try to understand it.

As for going against what is reasonably held about Nibiru, isn't that refreshing?  I care not what everyone else believes, I rely on experiencing things first hand where possible so that you reach a point of knowing.  My entire point to these posts is to dispel popular myth, to return to the source material so as not to be decieved.  If that makes you want to attack my character or good intentions, then go ahead dear boy.  I have nothing to fear from you.

Love always. Tay

no_leaf_clover

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As for how the texts were deciphered, please research more before you make derogatory remarks about someone you do not know.


i *was* doing research. i was asking you about the texts you have, and how you manage to read them when the sumerian language remains largely unknown to us to this day, and of your museum lady.

there is no way for either you or i to prove anything at all about nibiru without the planet popping up for all to see. however, though i won't say our laws of physics apply everywhere in the universe, i'm pretty certain a lot of them would apply a mere few million miles out from us, as the asteroid belt is, making your terrestrial planet 12 times the size of jupiter extremely unlikely, even in a subject like this, where many things at first sound unlikely.

but.. believe what you will.

i really would like to see more of these reports from nasa. maybe you can provide some links? maybe just to the australian newspapers who published the article?
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Stream

No Leaf - although I'm no expert, I thought a planet's gravity was determined by its inverted size:mass ratio. Therefore a tiny planet with a huge mass would have a very big gravitational pull and vice versa. By that token, a planet twelve times the size of jupiter, could have a similar planetary gravity to earth as long as it had a similar size:mass ratio. Maybe someone more in the know could clarify this?

Also, isn't it safe to assume that the Sumerians, like other inhabitants of ancient civilisations, were significantly shorter than we are today. Therefore the Nibiruians may not be dissimilar in size to us if they were desscribed as 'tall but not giants'. Just a thought.

no_leaf_clover

i didn't really get your point with the gravity thing, but if nibiru was, as tayesin claims, twelve times the size of jupiter, and it is a terrestrial planet, it would have much more mass and gravity earth easily, no two ways about it. when you have something that big, even if our mass ratio is denser, a terrestrial planet that size could consume us and hardly be affected.

i wouldnt be surprised if the sumerians were shorter. i guess youd have to look up bone records for them.
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Mirador

BE FORWARNED! This Anunaki and Niburu thing is no plate of suchi, it's some harebrained theory about a long lost forgotten cosmic war we are supposed to be enmeshed in, and for which THE CHURCH OF SCIENTOLOGY is trying to recruit followers to wage it from out nick in the woods of the Galaxy. For God's sake, please don't sign up!

Mirador