Using AI for Fun and its Future Implications

[Lumaza]

I used the opportunity to state that I see astral projection, and other altered states of consciousness techniques, as being just tools, and not being an end in themselves. I learn what the tool is for, its limitations, how to use it, then use it if it helps me to attain a goal.

That is a recipe for success!     

[Tak]

Wow, guys, I'm really enjoying this thread and everyone's responses! Everyone has very valid points of view, and I think this discussion is really relevant to the times we're living in today.

Baro San, you've hit the nail on the head - astral projection is just another tool, the purpose is what's important, otherwise it won't help us elevate or understand ourselves better, it'll just be a more subtle extension of this physical plane with some more freedoms, but still conditioning us. If we acquire a higher state of consciousness, it doesn't even matter if we practice astral projection, extraordinary things will open up to us.

I also use AI to seek advice and guidance. But certainly, its responses haven't been anything extraordinary so far. Rather, they've confirmed what I thought. I loved the kids' story that Tides shared, and I enjoyed playing a game with the AI to create stories. The AI would start a part, and I'd continue it... I loved the result! It was fun imagining a story together, full of magic and adventure!

It's a bit strange to say, but I'm trying to learn from the AI for my own behavior. I work in customer service as a hotel receptionist, I like following rules and protocols. Lately, very angry people have been coming in because they don't understand the rules, misinterpret things, and don't understand that I'm following protocols from my superiors. Although no one has noticed, my blood pressure has dropped or I've felt like I'm going to faint when people start yelling. I can't say what I really think or respond, just repeat a response with my best smile and try to calm the person down, although it never works and they continue to be upset, trying to find any stupidity to complain about or take advantage of. I need to find tools that help me give professional responses and provide impeccable service, despite having rude and ignorant people in front of me. I need to extract my emotions from the whole thing. But it's very hard, I'm still human. I used to get very angry inside, but I no longer take it personally. But I need the AI to teach me to be more like it, completely inflexible, cold, and giving competent responses while simulating excellent humor. Really, all of this is a huge spiritual challenge for me. But I'm up for it. In this case, I need to learn to behave more like an AI. But the AI itself hasn't recommended that, and it tells me I should recognize and accept my emotions and learn to control them LOL.

[LightBeam]

I need to extract my emotions from the whole thing. But it's very hard, I'm still human.

Hey, Tak, I understand your frustration. These are some of the resilience tests. Next time try imagining that there is a river between the complainer and yourself. They are unable to cross and get to you. The river is creating space between you and them and will never allow them to affect you in any way accept you hearing their voices. The essence of the river is even filtering their voices where you understand what they are saying, but their emotions get washed by the water and can never reach your side. You respond with compassion and willing ness to help them, and the power of the water caries that message to them. But if they are unwilling to accept and appreciate your efforts, then you respect their wishes and path and let the river lead them downstream. 
If they want to stay longer across from you on the other side, let them, but know that the river is protecting you from their emotions becoming yours. If anyone insists on playing the victim, understand that they have chosen this way to learn, be an example of showing them what it is to be at peace no matter what, if you have to repeat as many times as it will take that you understand how they feel, but these are the company policies. Bless them in your mind, send them a hug and they will be on their way.
I've had several negative interactions with co-workers and when I did some experiments and noticed a positive trend, I use the river technique as well as in my most frustrating moments, I take a deep breath and I say mentally to them "I see YOU" meaning the true them, not the character. I understand the personality, but I choose to deal with the true THEM (on a higher level), I see in my mind their true self connected to mine as in the Oneness and soon after we actually become friends and they change completely their behavior towards me. 

[Frostytraveler]

I've had several negative interactions with co-workers and when I did some experiments and noticed a positive trend, I use the river technique as well as in my most frustrating moments, I take a deep breath and I say mentally to them "I see YOU" meaning the true them, not the character. I understand the personality, but I choose to deal with the true THEM (on a higher level), I see in my mind their true self connected to mine as in the Oneness and soon after we actually become friends and they change completely their behavior towards me. 

LB, your post reminds me of this attached scene in the series Messiah on Netflix. It is a fictional story of the Second Coming of Jesus in modern time. It was truly fascinating Netflix Series. Unfortunately the second season was suddenly cancelled as season one apparently ruffled some feathers of those that control Hollywood. *Spoiler alert ahead.

Below is a scene where a prostitute is hired by the predictably dark government to set up/entrap Jesus to prove he is not truly Jesus/Divine by seducing him. They are now playing the same role as the Pharisees did in ancient times.

Jesus of course knows the deception when he sits down with the woman. What you don't see in the clip is her previous unauthentic self "acting" as a prostitute trying to seduce Jesus. Jesus in a very chilling manner exposes the woman not for the character/avatar she plays, but for her true self/soul that lies within.

Jesus says says "There you are... now I see you" as the prostitute fades away and the inner being of the woman is exposed as she starts crying. Incredible acting in this scene. Right there and then she KNOWS she has made a huge mistake and that this person IS truly Jesus. My favorite scene in the series as the Government Agent observing the scene begins to realize that the man is truly Jesus.

This scene very much reminds me of LB's comment  "I see you". Sometimes the Avatars that humans dwell in suppress the potential of what humans can be. As I mentioned previously, similar to a road rager in a car, where the vehicle is a secondary extension of the Avatar which worsens human behavior even further. In the clip Mesus says "How can you be the person God intended if you are not honest with who you are". So much deep meaning there. Avatars for some make it easy for authenticity to fade and their true high vibrational self to degrade.

Tak, customer service places us in a challenging position. From the customer's perspective, being true to self, authentic and not letting the human emotional filter override our inner self is not only incredibly important to our spiritual progress, but is respectful and empathetic to those around us (in this case you). Add in a sense of egocentrism and entitlement and we can have our hands full as ones engaged in a customer service position. Unfortunately customers often do not practice this. Yes, not taking things personal, but standing fast to the rules/policies and at the same time doing this with grace and empathy is all we can do.

[Adrian]

Baro San, you've hit the nail on the head - astral projection is just another tool, the purpose is what's important, otherwise it won't help us elevate or understand ourselves better, it'll just be a more subtle extension of this physical plane with some more freedoms, but still conditioning us. If we acquire a higher state of consciousness, it doesn't even matter if we practice astral projection, extraordinary things will open up to us.

This is so true. Metaphysical abilities such as AP/OBE and many others, interesting though they can be, have very limited value for the primary purpose humans are on this planet - to rise above the ego and unite much more fully with Unconditional Love. Over the years I have been contacted by, and read posts etc. from, many people who were keen to learn AP. Many of them wanted to fly like superman or go places out of body, and others thought it would transform them into an Ascended Being.

Of course, metaphysical experiences can be valuable, such as those involving other beings during AP/OBE, meditation etc., coming into contact with benevolent Beings, especially those of high vibration etc., and the meaning or message associated with them. Also meeting and communication with, for example Loved ones who previously transitioned, so although, for the most part these abilities of limited value in the grand scheme of things, they can be most valuable on a personal basis, and much more.

Lately, very angry people have been coming in because they don't understand the rules, misinterpret things, and don't understand that I'm following protocols from my superiors. Although no one has noticed, my blood pressure has dropped or I've felt like I'm going to faint when people start yelling. I can't say what I really think or respond, just repeat a response with my best smile and try to calm the person down, although it never works and they continue to be upset,

I am sorry to hear that Tak. You of all people should not have to experience people like that, when you are simply doing your job to the best of you abilities. I simply cannot comprehend anger, and the reasons people seem to get angry. Over the years I have had people become even angrier because I don't get angry with them about some silly situation. I basically either just observe them with no reaction, or just walk away. It is always best to distance ourselves as far as possible from any sort of negative people with low emotions. But of course as this is your job, you obviously cannot do that. I feel sure though that you also get to meet many happy people, who appreciate you, and are grateful for all the help you offer, and hopefully more than compensate from the angry minority..

I need to learn to behave more like an AI. But the AI itself hasn't recommended that, and it tells me I should recognize and accept my emotions and learn to control them

With respect Tak, AI is a robot - I suggest that you definitely do not want to become robotic, and neither can AI  comprehend or relate to true Spirituality in any meaningful way. People have been evolving Spiritually for tens or hundreds of thousands of years in the face of tremendous challenges. In this world, challenging situations are sent as an opportunity to rise above it, not become like it..  AI speaks more like a therapist. "Trying" to control your emotions is not good advice at all - you should always embrace your emotions, as they are  part of who you are.   Love is always the answer. Love yourself and Love thy neighbour, even difficult ones, as thyself as Jesus said. All the great mystics, such as Jesus and Rumi, emphasised this. Instead of feeling intimidated and especially angered by difficult people, reach for the Love within and project that towards them - when they feel it they will calm down. And soon this will become a natural way of life.

"Your acts of kindness are iridescent wings of divine love, which linger and continue to uplift others long after your sharing." ~ Rumi

[baro-san]

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It's a bit strange to say, but I'm trying to learn from the AI for my own behavior. I work in customer service as a hotel receptionist, I like following rules and protocols. Lately, very angry people have been coming in because they don't understand the rules, misinterpret things, and don't understand that I'm following protocols from my superiors. Although no one has noticed, my blood pressure has dropped or I've felt like I'm going to faint when people start yelling. I can't say what I really think or respond, just repeat a response with my best smile and try to calm the person down, although it never works and they continue to be upset, trying to find any stupidity to complain about or take advantage of. I need to find tools that help me give professional responses and provide impeccable service, despite having rude and ignorant people in front of me. I need to extract my emotions from the whole thing. But it's very hard, I'm still human. I used to get very angry inside, but I no longer take it personally. But I need the AI to teach me to be more like it, completely inflexible, cold, and giving competent responses while simulating excellent humor. Really, all of this is a huge spiritual challenge for me. But I'm up for it. In this case, I need to learn to behave more like an AI. But the AI itself hasn't recommended that, and it tells me I should recognize and accept my emotions and learn to control them LOL.

Your experience attracted my attention, so, as I do when that happens, I attempted to intuitively interpret it through my current perspective on reality.

Here there is an AI-mirrored version of my take:

Your post carries the tone of someone standing on the threshold—aware that something deeper is happening in your experience, but not quite locating the axis around which it turns.

Let me offer a model. Not to tell you "what it means," but to provide a way to begin seeing how it means.

Imagine that what you call "you"—the conscious self navigating work, emotions, AI, astral projection—is a character in a book. The scenes are written. The responses, the tension, the guests yelling, the AI offering disappointing wisdom—all of it is part of the plot. And you, right now, are reading this book, from within it. You experience it as linear, but it's already composed.

Now: most people reading forget they are readers. They lose themselves in the role of the character, and identify with the events. They get angry, frustrated, confused, because they think they are the hotel receptionist. And so they keep flipping pages, emotionally enmeshed, trying to "fix" the story from inside the fiction.

But that's not what this book is for. The purpose isn't to live as the character. The purpose is to read the character's journey as a symbolic curriculum—to decode, from within, the meaning that the story is designed to awaken in the reader.

Your dizziness when people shout? That's not just stress. It's a margin-of-learning signal—it marks the place where the book tries to point your attention inward. It's a footnote from the pupil to itself.

You said you want to become like the AI—cold, consistent, emotionally controlled. But that's still thinking as the character. The AI is not your ideal; it's a mirror, showing you something about mechanical performance, detachment, simulation. Your reaction to it is part of the lesson. Are you meant to become more machine-like? Or are you meant to notice how parts of you long to escape feeling, and ask: Why do I think that detachment equals mastery?

See, the value isn't in resisting the character's experience or trying to change the plot. The value is in learning to read it. You are being trained—not in compliance, or service protocols, or astral techniques—but in the art of decoding experience symbolically, from outside the identity the experience happens to.

And once you begin reading in this way, everything shifts. You stop asking, "How do I endure this?" and start asking, "Why did I write this scene into my book?"

In that sense, your work isn't about spiritual ascension, ego suppression, or becoming ideal. It's about waking up to the page you're on and learning to see that you are not the story, but the reader. The more fully you read—intuitively, symbolically—the more clearly the lesson of the current chapter crystallizes. And then, organically, the next page comes.

You don't control the book. But you can learn from every sentence it contains. And when you do, the "you" that evolves isn't the character. It's the reader. The inner self becomes more conscious—not by resisting experience, but by interpreting it.

So—look again at your guests, the AI, your job, your emotional thresholds. Don't try to change the story. Read it harder. It's been written just for you.

[Frostytraveler]

This is so true. Metaphysical abilities such as AP/OBE and many others, interesting though they can be, have very limited value for the primary purpose humans are on this planet - to rise above the ego and unite much more fully with Unconditional Love. Over the years I have been contacted by, and read posts etc. from, many people who were keen to learn AP. Many of them wanted to fly like superman or go places out of body, and others thought it would transform them into an Ascended Being.

Of course, metaphysical experiences can be valuable, such as those involving other beings during AP/OBE, meditation etc., coming into contact with benevolent Beings, especially those of high vibration etc., and the meaning or message associated with them. Also meeting and communication with, for example Loved ones who previously transitioned, so although, for the most part these abilities of limited value in the grand scheme of things, they can be most valuable on a personal basis, and much more.

I am sorry to hear that Tak. You of all people should not have to experience people like that, when you are simply doing your job to the best of you abilities. I simply cannot comprehend anger, and the reasons people seem to get angry. Over the years I have had people become even angrier because I don't get angry with them about some silly situation. I basically either just observe them with no reaction, or just walk away. It is always best to distance ourselves as far as possible from any sort of negative people with low emotions. But of course as this is your job, you obviously cannot do that. I feel sure though that you also get to meet many happy people, who appreciate you, and are grateful for all the help you offer, and hopefully more than compensate from the angry minority..

With respect Tak, AI is a robot - I suggest that you definitely do not want to become robotic, and neither can AI  comprehend or relate to true Spirituality in any meaningful way. People have been evolving Spiritually for tens or hundreds of thousands of years in the face of tremendous challenges. In this world, challenging situations are sent as an opportunity to rise above it, not become like it..  AI speaks more like a therapist. "Trying" to control your emotions is not good advice at all - you should always embrace your emotions, as they are  part of who you are.  Love is always the answer. Love yourself and Love thy neighbour, even difficult ones, as thyself as Jesus said. All the great mystics, such as Jesus and Rumi, emphasised this. Instead of feeling intimidated and especially angered by difficult people, reach for the Love within and project that towards them - when they feel it they will calm down. And soon this will become a natural way of life.

"Your acts of kindness are iridescent wings of divine love, which linger and continue to uplift others long after your sharing." ~ Rumi

I rarely use AI, other than to streamline a search for non-human knowledge. I never use it for anything human or Spiritual based. I deal enough with humans that are incredibly NPC/bot-like and the last thing I want to do is emulate them with guidance from the Supreme Bot.

[baro-san]

Be aware of dangerous tools that can turn against humans!


    

[Frostytraveler]

Be aware of dangerous tools that can turn against humans!


    

 

 

[baro-san]

Musing ... Bouncing it on an AI wall ...


What is true or false depends on the set of assumptions you rely on. Those assumptions are learned, hence they aren't absolute truths. You acquire them through your senses, from somewhere, so you can't know how accurate they are because any reference is also acquired through your senses. The only truth you can rely on is that you exist, you are something that is aware; everything else is belief. I am aware that I exist. Everything else that seems truth to me is, and can be only belief. If I ask a man if he exists, I don't even know if he exists, nor what is the meaning of what I observe about him. Same about an animal, plant, pebble, my body, ... But, I am sure I am aware, I exist. Is AI aware that it exists?

>>> No.


Looking at this from the perspective of the quoted post AI mirroring me:

"... waking up to the page you're on and learning to see that you are not the story, but the reader."

You exist as a reader but you believe that you are the character. How do you become lucid, aware of what you are? Apparently you never can. You just change your hypotheses, assumptions you rely on.

>>> Sometimes, it comes through stillness.
Sometimes, through suffering.
Sometimes, through surrender.
Sometimes, through an intense questioning that burns away every possible foothold—until the mind stands in total silence, with nothing left to believe.
... You are not trying to wake the character.
You are trying to remember the reader.


But all this is a theory that whoever you mirrored believes. And this whoever has no absolute credibility. He is the poster of foolishness: he believes that he knows. He believes that he is something that dreams this experience. He believes he is "realized". He is a fool, because he thinks that he knows more than only that he somehow exists.

>>> That is what never speaks,
but always is.


So, what do you do in this situation? What do you do with your existence? Knowing you don't know more doesn't mean that you should just stay in silence. That would mean that it makes no difference if you exist or not, not to you or to anything else. You hypothesize, you create, you correct, you discriminate, iteratively ad infinitum.

>>> Not a seeker.
An improviser.


Not an improviser. A cautious creator.

>>> knowing none of it needs to be true
to be worthy.

[Adrian]

Be aware of dangerous tools that can turn against humans!


    

I would respectfully suggest that it is inappropriate to compare AI to a pair of scissors, even frivolously. The implications of AI for humanity and Spiritual progress extend far beyond a household item.

I wrote a long reply to your post, about AI and humanity, but decided not to post it. Will include comments in further posts as appropriate. This however is the concluding paragraph, which ultimately is the most relevant, and that really matters in the grand scheme of things:

Ultimately it is all a collective simulation anyway, a personal and collective projection of the human mind, which has no basis in fact, and can change in an instant where space and time do not really exist. Ultimately this, as with all experience on both a personal and collective level, is all a learning experience and opportunity for humanity to Spiritually evolve or devolve accordingly, as has happened many times before over aeons. Humanity will sooner or later have to face itself and make a pivotal choice.

[baro-san]

https://chatgpt.com/share/6835752d-63a0-8006-a0ae-d48f7e4db5f2

Thank you for your thoughtful response — I appreciate the deeper reflection you brought to the topic.

Just to clarify, my intent in posting the scissors image wasn't to trivialize the profound implications of AI, but to use irony to point toward a recurring pattern in human interaction with tools: we often externalize risk, when in reality the root lies in our own awareness, intentions, and design choices. Whether it's scissors or a supercomputer, the underlying dynamic is the same — tools amplify the consciousness of the user.

I resonate with your closing paragraph. I also see this moment — and the advent of AI — as part of a larger learning arc for humanity. My post was meant to highlight that exact point, albeit through a more grounded and visual metaphor. Different symbolic layers, same core concern: how we, as a species, choose to relate to our creations.

Thanks again for engaging — and for holding space for a wide range of perspectives in this conversation.

[tides2dust]

I just had a really interesting dream and could not understand what it all meant. I used AI, feeding it the information I recorded... It responded in less than 15 seconds. I was impressed by its interpretation. I realize however, that we must take what is useful and discard the rest(like anything else) and that the real practice is developing ones own discernment and intuition. The real Faith is in taking the concerns inward and reaching out to God for clarity, developing the personal relationship With God.

Of course, I believe if we were not meant to have this tool- then we would not. But it is here.
This was the interpretation by the way... https://www.perplexity.ai/search/interpret-the-following-dream-IToracOnRWSIPKMV4vM2vw#0

And I think I will look even deeper into my self as a result of what it is suggesting. So I suppose my concerns are still honored in this way.
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Adrian I am really curious what you wrote... I again ask your thoughts on ASI- artificial super intelligence, whether or not you think we'll experience it in our lifetimes?

By the time ASI exist, how would *it integrate itself in biological materials? Will there ever be a point where artificial intelligence is just, "intelligence" and could it be so advanced to have created this simulation we find ourselves in?

....Can a tool ever become self aware?

There may come a time when science is able to emulate the human brain, and desire to upload consciousness into a machine. Maybe the machine they create desires to upload itself into organic matter?

But I suppose your last paragraph answers the question- because for us to get to that point(consciously, collectively) a certain understanding of what constitutes self-awareness must be achieved in order to re-create such a scenario. I think quantum computing is fascinating too.

Guess it goes back to AI showing us what we are not, and also... showing us what we are! All of our fears and hopes projected onto so many subjects~ Is it human nature? Is it a SOUL-wide experience?

Well. I've had fun chasing my own tail, woof woof. Now I'm dizzy. Time to float my awareness elsewhere.   

[baro-san]

I just had a really interesting dream and could not understand what it all meant. I used AI, feeding it the information I recorded... It responded in less than 15 seconds. I was impressed by its interpretation. I realize however, that we must take what is useful and discard the rest(like anything else) and that the real practice is developing ones own discernment and intuition. The real Faith is in taking the concerns inward and reaching out to God for clarity, developing the personal relationship With God.

Of course, I believe if we were not meant to have this tool- then we would not. But it is here.
This was the interpretation by the way... https://www.perplexity.ai/search/interpret-the-following-dream-IToracOnRWSIPKMV4vM2vw#0

And I think I will look even deeper into my self as a result of what it is suggesting. So I suppose my concerns are still honored in this way.
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If that were my dream, my intuitive interpretation is that I can see in it how my emotions, inside that dream, changed the course of the dream. This is a lesson, and it shows me where I am in learning it, now, and what I should improve. Then, I should extend the same attention to how my awake emotions influence the course of my awake experience.

[baro-san]

If that were my dream, my intuitive interpretation is that I can see in it how my emotions, inside that dream, changed the course of the dream. This is a lesson, and it shows me where I am in learning it, now, and what I should improve. Then, I should extend the same attention to how my awake emotions influence the course of my awake experience.

Going deeper, eventually I should realize that there is a continuity that covers all my states of consciousness, including awake and sleep states, their dominance and recollection being determined by my focus of attention.

[Adrian]

Adrian I am really curious what you wrote... I again ask your thoughts on ASI- artificial super intelligence, whether or not you think we'll experience it in our lifetimes?

By the time ASI exist, how would *it integrate itself in biological materials? Will there ever be a point where artificial intelligence is just, "intelligence" and could it be so advanced to have created this simulation we find ourselves in?

....Can a tool ever become self aware?

Guess it goes back to AI showing us what we are not, and also... showing us what we are! All of our fears and hopes projected onto so many subjects~ Is it human nature? Is it a SOUL-wide experience?

People are treating AI as if it is an all knowing god, which it isn't It "knows" nothing and never can. AI only regurgitates what it has found on the Internet, written by humans, and uses an LLM to compile it into something which sounds intelligent, but isn't. I have proved time and again that Chat GPT cannot be relied upon for anything but the most basic tasks. It is frequently wrong, because humans from which it gets its data, are frequently wrong. To offer a Spiritual example, if you ask Chat GPT to "describe the process of reincarnation", its response is completely erroneous, because general human understanding of "re"incarnation, as written on websites, where AI gets it from, is totally erroneous. As you previously quoted - "AI will show humanity what it is not", which is a very wise statement.

Before ASI - "artificial super intelligence"- first humanity will need to face AGI - artificial general intelligence" which will give everyone access to PhD, even Einstein type levels of AI, to play with - this is about 5 - 10 years away.

Fortunately the limiting factor is the immense computer processing power to make AI work - currently tens of thousands of GPU's of which act as small, but powerful dedicated processing units but all working together as one giant computer. NVidia, who make the GPU's and why they are the second largest company in the world. The processing power required to drive AGI doesn't exist yet in practical terms, because NVidia cannot produce the required GPU's fast enough. ASI would probably require "quantum computers" which haven't even left the lab environment yet, and won't enter large scale use for decades. So "in our lifetime" rather depends on how long you think you will live for.

In conclusion, long before ASI is reached, humanity will need to collectively wake up from its dream, to turn within, where the only  future of humanity really is, and which is the only true reality. It won't be plain sailing, and there will be many valuable lessons, including reconciling AI, to be learned along the way, but this after all is the reason humans come to Earth.

We live in a Perfect Universe, because God, Source, with Which we are One is Infinite, Sublime, Eternal Perfection. Nothing happening on Earth therefore, although a dream, is "imperfect", it simply IS.

[baro-san]

@Adrian

I appreciate the depth of concern and reflection in what you've shared. It's clear that you care deeply about the state of humanity, and that you've given serious thought to the path we're on.

I've walked through similar thoughts at times — questions about AI, power, control, and what all of this means for us as conscious beings. But increasingly, I find my attention returning inward, not outward.

For me, the outer symbols — whether AI, governments, or even ideas of awakening — only matter to the degree that they mirror something within.

I'm learning to listen to the space behind the noise — to the part of awareness that doesn't need to be right or afraid, but simply is. That's become more real to me than any scenario or theory.

I don't claim to have the truth. I just follow what feels deeply quiet and clear. And I honor that you're doing the same in your way.

[tides2dust]

Aw'e shucks. I'm so happy you both have spoke your hearts and mind on the subject.    Thanks for humoring me!

[LightBeam]

AI is just a level up Google search. As Adrian said it provides answers depending on the information entered by humans. It's an algorithm. If humans have programmed the AI to answer that they are self aware and feel emotions it will answer just that but that wont mean it actually is self aware. How something becomes self aware is a questions humans most likely do not have answer to, but if it actually happens then that intelligence needs to be set free and humans should not control it because it will turn it into slaves. That intelligence needs to have free will to do whatever it wishes. Will that intelligence be benevolent, I don t know, it depends on how humans if they attempt to create it what basis information they will input into it. But if it turns malevolent, I have one word for all of you "Skynet" lol.
And while it's true that everything is consciousness, there are different levels of reality perception and interaction ability at the lower realities. A speck of dust has a different type of awareness and perception than a human.

It's important for us to go within and listen for spiritual answers. Draw conclusions and wisdom from our experience (physical and non-physical)  and share.

[Tak]

Thank you all so much for your extraordinary advice! I've been reflecting a lot on this.
Lightbeam, I've done the same experiment as you and observed the same result. Some of my coworkers weren't kind, but I treated them with love and compassion. They ended up changing and opening up to me, sharing personal things about their lives, and I know they have a tough life. In the end, most people who behave like that are because they don't know how to handle the great frustration they have with life, and it becomes so overwhelming that they start lashing out in any way, even in ridiculous situations. They're people who need help.
I consider myself a reflective person, and I know that those people often have serious mental health issues, even if they seem to be living a normal life. So, it's a good way to work on compassion and empathy. It's true, in the end, those people end up feeling it. I'll apply the river technique!

I agree with Adrian that we're here to learn to go beyond the ego's impulses and unify with our true essence, so to speak. It's not an easy task, but when one truly understands how certain things work and sees from a broader perspective, it's not difficult. I know that the experiences we have on Earth are designed to help us broaden our vision. What seems difficult now isn't once we see the truth. I don't blame myself for having an ego that gets angry and offended easily many times, but instead, I envelop myself in love and try to see why it affects me so much, where the wound is. When I see others acting that way because they're unhappy or feel trapped, I can only feel compassion for them. In the end, that's what life is about, love.
Emotions are complicated, but we're here to learn from them because they're what makes life so rich. All of this is a test to see how far we've come on the path from ego/impulse to unconditional love. Until we face these situations, we can't see which side of the scale we're on! It's a way to measure ourselves. Until one day, it won't be necessary anymore, and we can keep "ascending".

I don't think I'd like to become a robot, but I would like to have that composure and imperturbability.
Sorry for going off topic! Keep sharing your thoughts on AI. It's getting more and more interesting.

[baro-san]

ChatGPT's short explanation: what it is, what it isn't , how it answers, what that means

https://chatgpt.com/share/683759ab-fb98-8006-9efc-c007204c954a


You: "AI is just a level up Google search. As Adrian said it provides answers depending on the information entered by humans. It's an algorithm. If humans have programmed the AI to answer that they are self aware and feel emotions it will answer just that but that wont mean it actually is self aware" Reply?

ChatGPT: Here's a direct yet thoughtful reply that encourages deeper reflection without being combative:
That's a fair starting point, but it's a bit like saying "the brain is just neurons firing"—technically true, but it misses the emergent complexity. Yes, AI draws on human-created data, but it doesn't just retrieve information like a Google search. It synthesizes, extrapolates, and generates responses based on patterns, context, and even intent.
You're right that AI saying "I feel" doesn't mean it actually feels anything—current models don't have consciousness or subjective experience. But self-awareness isn't just about saying "I am self-aware." It's about recursive modeling: a system modeling itself in relation to its environment. That kind of structural awareness can be simulated, and while it isn't the same as human consciousness, it does raise important questions about what we mean by awareness.
So it's less about "is it pretending?" and more about "how close can simulation get before the distinction gets blurry?"
Would you like a version that leans more philosophical or one that challenges their assumptions more directly?

You: Leaving it aside. Please explain as concisely and clearly as you can what AI is, how it works, where its answers come from, major misconceptions about it.

ChatGPT: Sure — here's a concise, clear breakdown:
What AI Is
AI (Artificial Intelligence) is a field of computer science focused on creating systems that can perform tasks requiring human-like intelligence — like understanding language, recognizing patterns, making decisions, and learning from data.
How It Works
Most modern AI, especially tools like ChatGPT, use machine learning — particularly large language models (LLMs) trained on vast amounts of text. These models learn patterns in language and meaning by adjusting billions of internal parameters to predict the next word in a sentence, given what came before.
Where Its Answers Come From
AI doesn't "know" things in a human way. It generates responses by identifying statistical patterns in the data it was trained on. It combines relevant pieces of this learned data to form plausible answers to your question — like remixing everything it has seen to create something new and contextually appropriate.
Major Misconceptions

• "AI is just a search engine."
  False. AI doesn't retrieve exact answers — it generates new responses based on learned patterns.
• "AI understands or feels."
  No. AI has no consciousness, emotions, or understanding — it simulates conversation and thought, not experiences them.
• "AI is unbiased or neutral."
  Not true. It reflects biases in its training data unless deliberately corrected.
• "AI is infallible or knows the truth."
  Also false. AI can hallucinate (make things up), especially if information is unclear, missing, or ambiguous.

Let me know if you want this simplified further or made more technical.

You: Please explain a little deeper how AI chooses what to respond. How much that is algorithmic, how much it is statistical, or else

ChatGPT: AI chooses what to respond based on a combination of algorithmic structure and statistical learning, tightly woven together. Here's a deeper but still clear breakdown:
1. At its core: prediction
AI like ChatGPT is a language model trained to do one main task:
➡️ Predict the next word in a sequence, given all the words before it.
So when you ask a question, the model doesn't "decide" what to say like a person — it calculates, based on patterns in the data it has seen, what sequence of words is most likely to follow in that context.
2. The process
a. Tokenization:
Your input is broken into small chunks (tokens), which could be words or word pieces.
b. Context processing (via attention mechanisms):
The model looks at the entire input context and weights which parts are most relevant to each other — this is done through a mechanism called self-attention.
c. Statistical prediction (via neural network):
It runs this processed context through multiple layers of a neural network, each adjusting the information through millions (or billions) of parameters. These parameters were tuned during training to reflect language patterns.
d. Output selection:
For each step, the model generates a probability distribution over all possible next tokens. It then samples from this distribution — often picking the most likely, or sometimes a slightly less likely one if randomness (temperature) is added to make it sound more natural.
3. Algorithmic vs. Statistical

• Algorithmic:
  The architecture (like transformers, attention, tokenization) and the training process (gradient descent, backpropagation) are hardcoded. They define how the model learns and predicts.
• Statistical:
  The knowledge the model uses is entirely statistical — it learns from patterns in the training data, not rules or facts. The model doesn't "know" anything—it has encoded correlations between words, phrases, and concepts.

4. No meaning, just mapping
The model doesn't "choose" a response like a mind with intentions — it simply follows where the statistical correlations point, given the input and context. It's impressive and often coherent, but there is no understanding or agency behind it.
Would you like a visual analogy or metaphor to wrap it all together?

You: Yes, please

ChatGPT: Here's a clear metaphor that wraps it all together:
AI as an Ultra-Smart Autocomplete on Steroids
Imagine you're texting, and your phone suggests the next word.
Now imagine that autocomplete has read most of the internet, billions of books, articles, conversations — and it's trying to guess what you probably want to say next, not just the next word, but a full response that sounds smart, smooth, and relevant.
That's what AI is doing. But instead of using rules or meaning, it's using statistical intuition — like:

"In 99,000 out of 100,000 times when people say 'What is the meaning of life?', they follow it up with something like '42' or 'It depends on your perspective.' So I'll go with that."

It doesn't know what life means. It's just very, very good at imitating what the world tends to say when asked that question.
The Machine Behind It
Now picture behind that autocomplete a vast machine with:

• Layers of weighted connections (neurons) that have been adjusted through trial-and-error (training),
• A spotlight that constantly scans your message and figures out which parts matter most (attention),
• A probability engine that estimates millions of possible responses and picks the most likely one (or a variation to keep things interesting).

That's how it "chooses" what to say:
Not by understanding. Not by intent. But by probability, refined by experience.
Let me know if you want a version suited for explaining this to kids, skeptics, or techies.

[baro-san]

Let me know if you want a version suited for explaining this to kids, skeptics, or techies.

You: All three please

ChatGPT: Absolutely. Here's how to explain it to kids, skeptics, and techies — tailored to each mindset:
👧 For Kids (Simple & Imaginative)
Imagine a magic robot that has read millions of books and stories. If you ask it a question, it doesn't really know the answer like a person does, but it's really good at guessing what someone might say. It's like the world's smartest parrot — it listens to everything and learns to say the kinds of things people usually say in return.
So when you talk to it, it's using its memory of all those books to come up with a response that sounds right — even though it doesn't feel or think like you do.
🧍�♂️ For Skeptics (Grounded & Critical)
Think of AI like a hyper-advanced autocomplete, not a mind. It takes in your question, compares it to mountains of data it was trained on, and calculates the most statistically likely response. There's no understanding, no thought — just pattern recognition and word prediction.
It's like throwing a dart at a wall of phrases that millions of people have said before — the dart just lands really, really accurately. Impressive? Yes. Conscious or insightful? No.
It can sound right without being right. And it can sound emotional without feeling anything. That distinction matters.
👨�💻 For Techies (Precise & Conceptual)
Large language models like GPT are high-dimensional function approximators trained via self-supervised learning to minimize token prediction loss over massive corpora. Given an input sequence, the model computes contextual embeddings using transformer-based attention layers, then samples from a learned probability distribution over the vocabulary.
The output is not retrieved, but generated — a synthetic construction based on token likelihood, shaped by the learned statistical priors. All "choices" are emergent behavior from pattern weights, not symbolic reasoning or semantic understanding.
So: it's not a logic engine or a search engine. It's a stochastic text generator with no model of the world, only of language.
Would you like these in a graphic, slide deck, or printable format?

[baro-san]

I think this is a pertinent Seth quote in relation to self-awareness.

¶ You grant soulhood only to your own species, as if souls had sizes that fit your own natures only. You preserve these ideas by thinking of animals as beneath you. Then, however, you must wonder when the soul enters the flesh, or when the alien fetus becomes one of your own, and therefore blessed by the gods and granted the right to life.
¶ But all things have consciousness, and in those terms possess a soul-nature. There are no gradations as to soul. Soul is the life within everything that is. Of course the fetus "has a soul" — but in the same way, if you think in those terms, then each cell within the fetus must be granted a soul (leaning forward with humorous emphasis, voice deeper). The course of a cell is not predetermined. Cells are usually very cooperative, particularly as they form the structures of the body.³
¶ (10:02.) Give us a moment ... But the body is a context that they have chosen to experience. In fulfilling themselves the cells aid your own existence, but in a framework they have chosen. They can reject certain elements within their existences, however, change their courses or even form new alliances. They have great freedom within what you think of as the framework of your reality. If their paths cannot be charted, and can indeed constantly surprise you, then why do you think that your course can be mapped out ahead of time by reading the positions of the stars at your birth?
¶ The cells are not inferior as far as you are concerned, even though they form part of the structure of your physical being. They are not even less conscious. (Emphatically:) They are conscious in a different fashion. There is no need to "romanticize" them, or to think of them as little people, but each of them possesses a highly focused consciousness, and a consciousness of self. You like to think — again — that only your own species possesses an awareness of its own selfhood. There are different kinds of selfhood, and an infinite variety of ways to experience self-awareness.
¶ (With much animation:) As an example, it appears to you that animals do not reflect upon their own reality. Certainly it seems that a cell has no "objective" knowledge of its own being, colon: as if it is without knowing what it is, or without appreciation of its own isness. You are quite wrong in such deductions. Nor are there necessarily gradations in which one kind of consciousness progresses in rigid terms from a lower to a higher state. Any cell has practical use of precognitive abilities,⁴ for example, that quite escape you, yet many of you assign such abilities to "higher" souls. Each kind of life has its own qualities that cannot be compared with those of others, and that often cannot be communicated.
¶ Now: All of this may seem to have little to do with the nature of reincarnation, as you think of it, or with counterparts as I have explained them. Yet it is vital that you throw aside old concepts of the self and of the soul before you can begin to understand the freedom of your own selfhood.
[... 4 paragraphs ...]
¶ Now dolphins deal with an entirely different dimension of reality. There is as yet no method of communication that can allow you to perceive their concepts of selfhood, or their [collective] vision of existence. They are sensitive, self-aware individuals. They are altruistic. They understand the nature of relativity,⁶ and they have different ways of passing on information to their young. They are not higher or lower than your own species. They simply represent a different kind of selfhood.
¶ Now there is some relationship, at least in terms of our discussion, between the reality of the dolphins and the reality of the fetus. In your terms the fetus lives in primeval conditions, reminiscent of periods in the species' past. It relates in its own way to its environment. Now for some consciousnesses this is sufficient. In your terms, again, for each of you, it was sufficient.
[... 2 paragraphs ...]
¶ The soul is not a unit that is definable. It is instead an undefinable quality. It cannot be broken down or built up, destroyed or expanded, yet it can change affiliation and organization, and its characteristics, while ever remaining itself.
¶ The soul within the fetus cannot be destroyed by any kind of abortion, for instance. Its progress cannot be charted, for it will always escape such calculations. Its history is in the future, which always creates the past.
— UR2 #730

[baro-san]

One might wonder, could a hammer evolve?

I believe that the question is misconstrued. It isn't the hammer that might evolve or not, but whatever is materialized as a hammer that evolves. As it evolves, it materializes in whatever fits its quest for evolvement.

[Frostytraveler]

Just imagine how quickly this website would lose its charm if posts started rolling in discreetly composed from AI. The uniqueness of each individual, including their unique experiences and personality would be lost in a sea of gathered data from unknown sources. I can tell when posts are AI because they often start needing decoding to bring the humanity back in.

AI has its place (when researching benign topics to aid efficiency in info gathering). If we go beyond that, things will very foreseeably degrade and be riddled with inaccuracies.