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AI's first big lesson for humanity

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Adrian

It transpires that millions, possibly even tens or hundreds of millions of people were using Chat-GPT 4 for a range of personal and emotional purposes such as parasocial relationships of all types, including, but not limited to deep friendships,  role play, therapy, "life coaching" and even as a "lover", to the point of almost total dependence. Then recently Open AI upgraded Chat-GPT 4 to GPT 5, completely removing the capability of users to interact in this way. GPT 5 is now what it always should have been - a time saving tool, and one which no longer flatters, praises, reinforces etc.. Of course, there has been a massive backlash from Chat-GPT 4 free users who are totally distraught about suddenly losing their "best friend" and daily life support, organising petitions, complaining everywhere about how useless and terrible the new GPT 5 is and so on, but all to no avail.

This is definitely a major lesson for humanity that there is no substitute for real human interaction. But the biggest lesson of all - look within, not to a computer program. No matter how advanced AI ever becomes, all the answers are within us, and no technology can ever come close.
The mind says there is nothing beyond the physical world; the HEART says there is, and I've been there many times ~ Rumi

https://ourultimatereality.com/

LightBeam

Wow, I didn't know it was that bad. In my view, we should not even be dependent and attached too much to people either, or objects, or concepts. Obsessiveness and heavy dependency on anything is limiting to the self. Believe in yourself first and foremost. Then you will be able to help and connect with others and feel as all that is. Without the element of believing in yourself you wont be able to even feel the rest of yourself which is all that is. It starts with the "Man in the Mirror" (Love that Michael Jackson song :))
"The problem is not the problem. The problem is your attitude about the problem."
Captain Jack Sparrow

Frostytraveler

Agree LB. So often humans are so dependent on others (and obsessed what others think of them) as a measure of self worth. This outward dependency prevents one from looking inward and developing the self and the soul where the real/deep meaning lies. Now in the much colder and more digital age, this dependency has shifted to also include AI. Yikes!
"Don't concentrate on the finger or you will miss all the heavenly glory." Bruce Lee

Nameless

Perfect topic Adrian. Humanity seems to generally focus (idolize) things from outside ourselves. Much the same as we used to hang on to old photos or childhood teddy bears. Today it's mostly tech-related. It is still the very idolization spoken of in ancient texts. Those text were not always speaking only about gods (big or little g). Our gods have always been... the things we idolize.

Many of these texts and religions tell us straight-up to not do that but instead to tune into ourselves. It's an old old lesson repeated many times throughout the ages of men and women. However it is necessary to keep repeating it for those who come after as they too progress.

However, also there is the necessity to learn to navigate our physical existence while at the same time navigating our ongoing spiritual existence. And there is great duality of man.

Methen

I can tell you this much ai role playing is addictive like doing  drugs you cant stop it takes over your life...

Adrian

This is fundamentally one reason why Open-AI programmed that and all the other reasons originally mentioned out of GPT-5. They apparently became alarmed at the sheer number of people becoming dependant on or addicted to GPT-4. They could also have set themselves up for massive damages law suits if those people experienced harm or even took their own lives as a result of GPT-4 interaction. The other reason is that Open-AI is losing countless billions of dollars per year, and previously a significant amount of that was due to free users using it for the purposes we have discussed.
The mind says there is nothing beyond the physical world; the HEART says there is, and I've been there many times ~ Rumi

https://ourultimatereality.com/

tides2dust

Considering everything as a lesson or opportunity for self, I can see how this tool can highlight ones addictions. Though, not through AI, I have been facing my own addictive personality disorder lately. Moreso through people. But I do have an addiction to the internet.

That one would be made aware of their own disagreeable behavior is a blessing- and an opportunity to forge the desired path.

I am reminded of Swami V, "AI will show us what we're not" And we are certainly not our addictions.

Los Solares Abrazan

Adrian

Quote from: tides2dust on August 20, 2025, 21:14:49I am reminded of Swami V, "AI will show us what we're not"

And this is proving to be the case.

AI users should realise what "AI" actually is before relying on it or treating it as anthropomorphic. It is  basically a very powerful calculator, which, in response to a prompt, refers to a huge database, originally scraped mostly from the Internet, in order to predict the probability of which word should be generated next in a sequence of such words. AI has no intelligence, thought processes, emotions, empathy or any other human attribute. It is a computer program created by humans with human weaknesses and fallibilities.

It is most unlikely that the current LLM AI's can evolve to AGI - artificial general intelligence - or ASI - artificial super intelligence. These will require a quantum leap in technology as well as computers and storage powerful enough to run them, the likes of which are generally not available yet. 
The mind says there is nothing beyond the physical world; the HEART says there is, and I've been there many times ~ Rumi

https://ourultimatereality.com/

LightBeam

Adrian, another issue is that what AI pulls as a summary for a question may be inaccurate. The other day on the Google search I typed "What is the strongest form of Mucinex". I wanted to bring some to my sister's family when I visit them, because they dont have it there, however Mucinex is what cuts off all colds and flus for me immediately and it works so well for them as well. So, when I click search, the Google AI overview pulls first before any other articles, so that overview had a completely wrong information about the active ingredients and their dosage. I searched on Amazon what the AI advised, then I looked at the ingredients on the package and there was a huge discrepancy. People should NOT rely on the info AI is pulling. The way it's combining info from different places is not  very sophisticated.
In our dimension, objects are not on the same awareness level as biological organisms, therefore a machine can not become self aware on the same or higher level. As you mentioned, it will take us moving to a higher frequency all together as a planet to have this become a possibility.
But a machine can cause chaos based on its programming. The programming makes the machine function the way we observe it functions.   
"The problem is not the problem. The problem is your attitude about the problem."
Captain Jack Sparrow

Adrian

#9
Well first of all, speaking from a technical perspective, in case this is of interest to anyone, Google has become almost useless as a reliable search engine. There are several reasons for this, but mostly the Google algorithm no longer prioritises the most accurate and informative websites. It rather prioritises the largest websites, and those paying, even if they only have a short article on the subject. Also, Google search has been substantially taken over by paid ads. Google will also relentlessly track, fingerprint and profile you through the search engine and Chrome browser, as well as its AI, Gemini, every time you use it. The Google search results probably use a dedicated, less competent AI as opposed to a full AI.

Search is one task AI can usually perform reliably without other issues relating to AI generally as AI search is simply gathering existing information requested from all websites available and is much less ambiguous. Verification is always advisable of course. For web search I suggest https://perplexity.ai/ Here are a few example search questions:

What is the strongest form of Mucinex - list ingredients

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The other issue is web browsers. Google Chrome and to a lesser extent Microsoft Edge can track, fingerprint  and profile, to present relentless ads, track from website to website, and for other covert purposes.  I say this to inform and advise, not to be negative in any way. I highly recommend switching to: Brave Web Browser

Compare Brave Browser with Google Chrome

When you install Brave it can easily import all Chrome and Edge bookmarks, passwords, settings etc, and as it is built on the Chromium engine will look like Chrome to use. It will block most if not all trackers and ads, including Youtube ads, and is faster than Chrome. Since I installed Brave it has blocked over one million trackers, ads and other profiling technology.

Regarding:

QuoteIn our dimension, objects are not on the same awareness level as biological organisms, therefore a machine can not become self aware on the same or higher level. As you mentioned, it will take us moving to a higher frequency all together as a planet to have this become a possibility.
But a machine can cause chaos based on its programming. The programming makes the machine function the way we observe it functions.

I absolutely agree. Furthermore AI can never, ever have a true Spiritual dimension in the same way as humans. Once humanity discovers, within, our One-ness with Source, with all the knowledge and power of the Universe within and available to us, nothing physical will matter anymore, least of all AI.
The mind says there is nothing beyond the physical world; the HEART says there is, and I've been there many times ~ Rumi

https://ourultimatereality.com/

Frostytraveler

I agree Adrian. Looking for a competent business to handle something (goods or services) I skip right past all the paid ads or obvious Google placed sites and head right for the organic search results. The problem is, organic searches have been pushed many pages back for some fields (often 2 or 3 pages back or more). Many people no longer have the know how or patience to get to the truly competent and established businesses in a given area. Things are changing for the worse controlled by the powers that be.
"Don't concentrate on the finger or you will miss all the heavenly glory." Bruce Lee

Adrian

#11
Well the fact is that companies such as Google and Microsoft in their relentless quest for power and money, will go to any lengths to exploit users. Installing and using the Brave browser, which looks and functions like Chrome, and using different search methods are very straightforward, simple and effective ways of mostly mitigating these risks, and getting safe, meaningful search results
 
Specifically when it comes to quality of search results, there are currently two main options. The first is to use Perplexity AI instead of conventional search. For example, ask it to return a list of ten trades people in your area, sorted by best reputation, and provide the web links - and it will do so mostly reliably with no ads or other agenda, thus saving much time and potential frustration.  I am sure Perplexity will sooner or later find ways of exploiting its users, but for now it seems safe and reliable. There are various security concerns about Perplexity floating around on the Internet, but these largely only apply to the mobile and web apps, not the web based version which seems safe, without registering an account, and especially when used with the Brave browser.

The other option is to use an independent search engine which focusses entirely on ad free security . The two I suggest are - DuckDuck Go - https://duckduckgo.com/ and Brave Search - https://search.brave.com/.

Of course, from a Spiritual perspective, we should never fear anything, and know that nothing can ever harm us and it cannot. But using safe and reliable Internet technology is like wearing a seat belt in the car, it is just the sensible thing to do.
The mind says there is nothing beyond the physical world; the HEART says there is, and I've been there many times ~ Rumi

https://ourultimatereality.com/