Question for Mayatnik

[MAYATNIK]

GANDALF –

I was submitting my latest post at the same time as your post, so I am posting this now in response to your post above.

Thank you for that highly illuminating information regarding Robert Monroe's work.  I have not previously heard of him, but then I'm not able to read very much with my exptremely poor eyesight, so I don't go looking and instead simply take what my guide channels through me.

I am always fascinated when I come across other channelings that correlate with what I have been telepathically told.  And Monroe is no exception to this.  Although I've never read any of his writings other than what you present above, from reading your post account there is very close correlation indeed to your descriptions (as summarised, I presume).  In fact, there is total agreement with what has been channeled to me with one exception – and that is with regard to humans on the earth.

You write:

quote: The only claim we have to being unique in any way is that there is a slight chance that we may have been the first planetary civilisation to be created, if Monroe's vision of the early history of earth is true. According to his vision, after the great success of the earth 'garden', others started creating their own gardens and they are now widespread throughout the universe. The problem is that while other civilisations seem to have progressed quite rapidly, we are stuck, which is why so many other civilisations are way ahead of us, even if we were here first!

I refer to the parts in the above quote that I have made *bold* and *underlined*.  In those there is a discrepancy between what is said and what has been channeled to me.  This does not mean that Monroe is wrong however, since it depends on the context of the actual channeling he received, and what Monroe himself may have omitted to preserve clarity in making a point at that time.  I, myself, do not reveal all that is given to me since perspectives are being broached that depend on a firm foundation at each stage – and in this particular regard the point about 'planetary civilization' is another landscape in itself predating the Earth by many millions of years.

Briefly, we are the 5th of a series of discrete evolutions [I mention the first High Civilization connection between the Sumerians and Nibruans in my above post] after other separate evolutions of 'human-like' species on other planets, and joining us on 'planet earth' are those souls that went through a period of genetic evolution on other planets.  They in turn were brought from other star-systems to our Solar System before the Earth was 'inhabited'.  That history is long and often with much pain in their evolution.  Always, towards the end of fixed periods, 2600 and 5200 years in our notion of 'time' they were visited increasingly by the Pleiadians, who were and always have been, in the background monitoring evolutionary progress.  There came a time when the Earth was chosen as a new habitation for souls, and initially 'humans' were created.  These were later joined by souls that had genetic evolutions on the other worlds.  It is for this reason that we see differences in physical appearance, and even in wide differences in cultures.  I may write more on this at a later time, concerning other planetary evolution.  But, since at the moment the focus is on UFOs then your contribution regarding Robert Monroe in general is very welcome.  And, as I said, such discrepancies as may appear on the surface are very often just a matter of context in the broader picture.

So, once again, thank you very much  for your illuminating and corroborative account.

With Pleiadian Love and Light,
MAYATNIK.

[Lasher]

quote:Originally posted by MAYATNIK
Lasher –
Thank you for your post, and your request for any suggestions. I deferred responding until now because you have only just got your new Pendulum, and, as you say, you intended to spend time getting used to it. So, I look forward to hearing how you've got on.

Thank you for your response, Mayatnik.

After reading your post this morning, I used the pendulum.  This time I said "Give me a yes, please" and "Give me a no please"  I then asked a series of questions.

Is my name David?
Yes
Is Madonna's Health improving? (Madonna is my dog who has a bladder infection)
Yes
Is my VCR broken?
Yes
Is the Evanescence CD an appropriate birthday present for Christine? (my sister)
Yes
Was my dream last night about the possessed cats a message that I should not be moving to Los Gatos in two weeks?
No
Should I have a Bacon, Egg, and Cheese Sandwich with a large ice coffee for breakfast?
Yes
Am I speaking with my Guardian Angel?
Yes
Am I speaking with the being that made the unicorn music box play when I was 18?
Yes
Am I speaking with a Pleiadian?
Yes

I got mainly tentative "yes's".
I was afraid that my question about my dream would be a yes too, but I was relieved to get a "no" on that one, considering we've already put money on a cabin and hired the movers.
I was a little surprised that I got a "yes" on my breakfast selection.  It's probably not the healthiest breakfast in the world, but it's what I'm in the mood for.

The last three questions are the same as questions I asked on my first try with the pendulum.  That time I got "yes, yes, no".  This time I got "yes, yes, yes".  I should probably assume that the second one is right because I did not initialize my pendulum correctly the first time.

Anyway, I gotta run.  I'll try more tonight or tomorrow.

Take Care!

Lasher

[Bad Moon Rising]

UFO's have always been around. Look at the picture from the 15th Century.
Painting of the Madonna and Saint Giovannino
http://www.nicap.dabsol.co.uk/painting.htm
Here are some more.
http://www.etcontact.net/Other/MedievalArt/MedievalArt.htm
http://www.etcontact.net/AncientAstronauts.htm

[MAYATNIK]

LASHER –

Nice choice of questions there, for a real first-run!  It is what I would expect from a balanced mind such as yours, especially with an eye to a good breakfast which the Pendulum obviously knows you appreciate (and therefore wouldn't argue with).  As to what constitutes a Healthy meal, too much accent is placed on diet these days to the extent that people worry so much about their health that they end up eating even more because of what I call the circular-worry-syndrome.  When clients come to me and tell me they have tried every diet in the book and can't lose weight and ask what do I recommend I tell them this – "Eat what your stomach fancies, because it knows best"... of course I give them other practical advice also (about avoiding 'junk food' and excessive regular intake of protein, added E-numbers for flavouring and preserving, etc) but, in general, if we eat what we feel drawn to, without glutonizing and at meal times mainly, then we will not be victims of the worry-syndrome and our bodies will regulate themselves.  So, initially clients laugh when I tell them, "Eat what your stomach fancies"..... but then they come back, thinner and much happier, and say, "Thank you - I didn't believe it.....but it really does work!"  And the Pendulum was answering in your best interests – co-incidentally agreeing with what you fancied anyway!  Just as an additional 'health tip', eat leisurely, a good early breakfast (the Englishman's bacon and eggs with toast is a good starter) and avoid a big mid-day meal (unless you are going to siesta, because it slows the metabolism just at the time when you need the opposite, to be fired with energy), and use carbohydrate (such as potatoes) for a slow steady release of energy, rather than the <quick-release quick-depression> effect of sugar.

Regarding your last question:
"Am I speaking with a Pleiadian" ... Yes
As you rightly assume, you got a 'no' the night before (your very first attempt, due to the Pendulum not being initialised and 'attuned' to you properly until this second proper session.  It frequently happens (unless a person has a very strong connection with their guide anyway at the time of starting the Pendulum) that the first communication, or several, will be through the 'computer' or monitored only.  The response telling you that you were speaking with a Pleiadian confirms the fact that considerable interest is being taken by the guides now to help you progress.  Never feel that you are wasting their time, because they understand you better than you know yourself, and they know that you need to learn, so ask away, anything and as much as you like – and if questions 'pop' into your head seemingly from nowhere then put them to the Pendulum, and see where it takes you.  Incidentally, any members who get differing responses to this question, or a response such as that it is your "Higher Self" or similar, they should bear in mind that the Pendulum is a teacher, so will respond to your stage of progress.  You may find that different 'monitors' are interacting through the Pendulum, or that at the moment it is sufficient for you to know that, in any case, all input to you through the Pendulum comes through your Higher Self in the transducing.

Thank you once again for sharing your Q/A session with us, and especially your comments which help greatly as a background to them, to give members a 'feel' for it especially if they are just strting out with the Pendulum or are unsure as to what to ask and what to expect.   Enjoy your sessions, and I look forward to any more input!

As I was writing this post a funny thing happened..... I suddenly got a flash of memory, a déjà vu... because I recollect writing this very post some years ago, and my guide has just said, "Yes!  You remember!"   There is something about this time that will no doubt come clear to me; in the meantime my guide simply says, as she often does, "Wait and see"  I won't worry any and look forward instead to whatever comes, for half the fun is in the happening and life is but a great Adventure - Just thought I'd share that with you.

With Pleiadian Love and Light,
MAYATNIK.

[Adrian]

Greetings MAYATNIK,

There are people who believe that the pendulum is being moved involuntarily as it is held between the fingers.

Would the pendulum work if it was suspended from a static object such as a light fitting, and one sat the appropriate distance from it?

With best regards,

Adrian.

[MAYATNIK]

Greetings Adrian,

Thank you for the two points you raise – and which raise a third point that you don't mention, but which struck me as I read your post.

You see, I could have answered those 2 points quickly and very easily just by channeling (in fact, I knoow the aswers anyway) – but I remembered that I had answered these points in detail (the one about holding the Pendulum quite a number of times) in the thread
<AND THE TRUTH SHALL BE KNOWN – You'll see!>
and the one concerning suspending the Pendulum from a fixed object, I had answered in reply to *Beav*.  So, the thought came into my mind to do a check, and retrieve the information I'd already given – about the 'suspension' particularly, and to see just how many times I'd explained the holding of the Pendulum and how it actually works.  

Thus started an interesting hour or so, as I searched the thread.  I had never looked back at any posts, but I knew what I'd written and remembered what members had replied.  We are on page 13 of that thread now, but I knew that what I sought would be on page 8 or before – so I commenced my search backwards from page 8.  And it dawned on me that the thread was in need of summarising.  I found a number of explanations on holding the Pendulum and what actually 'works' its movements, and have selected a reply I made to goingslow that I found on page 3 of the thread.  But – sod's law – I had to search all the way back to the beginning to find the reply I'd remembered making to *Beav* - Yes, there it was, on page 1 posted the 19th of June (the day I started the thread).  So, that point about whether the Pendulum will work was actually answered right at the start, yet members are apparently – as you say – still wondering about this..... which means that even though it was at the very start of the thread it has obviously been missed and indicates that the thread is now too long for newcomers to read all the way through, and in fact implies that, understably, members are just responding to the end of the thread.  I shall therefore consider how best I can rewrite the instructions and information in a form that is quickly and easily readable – perhaps as a Main Summary with Side-Notes and a FAQ section.  This will obviously take me some time, at least a week – because I want to be able to respond to any further input appertaining to the topics I am now dealing with in the meantime to keep up – so I would ask members to please bear with me, and I shall to make all points as easily referrable to as I can.

I quote below my replies which I found on searching the thread that should hopefully cover your questions  at this time.

reply to *goingslow* on p3 of P-thread

I wrote:

quote:Just hold the Pendulum as you would carefully hold something valuable by the fingertips (so as to not let it slip and fall). There is no need to hold it ever so tightly, just make firm contact with the string or chain.

Your subconscious IS what controls the Pendulum, and the answers (that move the Pendulum) come THROUGH the subconscious, direct to the fingers without interaction from the intellect and the congnitive - which normally moves your fingers when you react to events in the world around you – such as locating a pen on a line in your writing pad in order to write a letter, and ensuring by co-ordination that your hand enables the flow of writing that you do).

The hand does in fact move very minutely, but this is not the same as when you move your hand deliberately (by cognitive nerve impulse). The Pendulum is the *interface*, like a speaker at the end of the Hi-Fi chain. Messages come into the subconscious and are modulated by the electromagnetic field of the body – which then is amplified and converted into physical 'energy' that activates the movement and produces the *answer* that you see. But, while this is going on, that 'link' between the source and your body sensing and transducing mechanisms (on a subconscious level) is being constantly improved with practice, and that is why the Pendulum is so effective at training a person to be Telepathic seemingly effortlessly (in conjunction with the way the guides work, because the know every minute detail of that intricate machanism that science does not understand relating to the subconscious).

Regarding POST FROM <Beav311> (19 JUNE) page 1

quote:Beav311 asks:
Is it necessary to hold the pendulum? That might create false swings. Why not hang it from something that wont move?

Who moves it? How do you know its not you doing telekinesis? Or is that what you want? Your unconscious mind knows a lot more than conscious

==== MY REPLY =>
It is necessary to actually hold the Pendulum, and what was suggested earlier up the thread by Beav will not work. I understand where Beav is coming from with this, because many object can be moved by Telekenisis, and I have seen it done several times with a Pendulum that was not being held but was suspended from a doorframe. The Pendulum, when moved by Telekenisis does not however function as a Pendulum - it simply moves. those who are adept with Telekenesis can make it give a 'yes' movement by will-power, but the movement is always slow and sluggish to get started, and shows no 'character' either in its movement so is entirely impractical, and can not be consistently made to move in the required direction in any case - and what would be the point of projecting your will to an object when tha information isn't being transmitted in that manner.

The Pendulum moves by modulation of the electromagnetic field then interacting with the instrument and the movement is fully and dynamically responsive. As a point of interest, when I am teaching, I have sometime had occasions when I've needed to actually move a person's Pendulum remotely (from where I am sitting usually about 4 feet away) and I simply 'tell' (by just thinking) the Pendulum to respond with a 'yes' or 'no' to show the kind of strong movement it is capable of when the pupil is more 'attuned' to it (if they are only causing a weak swing at first, because one of the inhibors of swing is negativity in the person or lack of confidence in themselves). So I too can make a Pendulum respond without actually holding it, simply by thinking and projecting into their electromagnetic field, thus it modulates and moves the Pendulum. When I do it in that way the response is quick, dynamic and strong (unlike when suspended from such as a doorframe, which doesn't have a dynamic emf - and which, in saying that, proves the point of how a Pendulum really works). But, me controlling another person's Pendulum is not them receiving in the normal way, so outside of the occasional necessity to demonstrate, it would be at best only a cheap party-trick, and a cheat. The Pendulum would certainly not fulfil its purpose as a communicator of Truth or otherwise

I am not happy in re-presenting what is now 'second hand' information by virtue of requoting it, and I would always much rather channel freshly for each occasion.  However, I have done it this way here to demonstrate that the information IS in fact there in the thread.

Thanks once again for bringing to my attention the need for me to summarize the thread, which I who know it so well found difficult to find information even though I knew what I was looking for and knew it was there.  Be assured that I shall, as always, make every effort to clarify the situation at the earliest possible opportunity.

With Pleiadian Love and Light,
MAYATNIK.

[MAYATNIK]

Bad Moon Rising has contacted me on Messenger, and told me about a post that was in her thread in 'Spiritual Development' called 'SPIRIT GUIDES'.... I hadn't seen it (not had time unfortunately -  due to my eyesight problem making reading very slow I don't get around the forums as much as I'd like to).  Anyway, BMR suggested I copy it into here for the benefit of any other members who may not have seen it, since it is relevant to questions been asked my those following the Pendulum topic and wanting to contact guides through it.

So, I reproduce that post (by Euphoric Sunrise, 1 July) here:

quote:Posted in BAD MOON RISING's thread <SPIRIT GUIDES>
in the "Spiritual Development" section. – 1st JULY.

This is a rather timely topic. Thanks to MAYATNIK's post on pendulum's in Astral Conciousness (it's a sticky, it's pink, and 12 pages, you can't miss it), i may have just then had contact with two of mine, provided the pendulum was giving me correct answers, and provided there wasn't any personal influence etc.

The pendulum 'told' me there were two guides in the room with me. I then asked each guide questions through the pendulum. What's most interesting, though, is i asked one of them if they would touch me on my left shoulder for confirmation, the pendulum swung for 'no'. So i thought, ok fair enough and left it alone. Now just before when i had put the pendulum down i felt something on my left shoulder. It was like a heaviness or something. So i picked up the pendulum and asked it if was a guide and it swung for yes.

Needless to say, i'm pretty excited at the moment because this is my first contact with any of my guides that i am can remember. Of course, it may just all be coincidense, but i'm still pretty happy.

That post was, of course, in it's correct thread – since it was about 'spirit guides'..... but Bad Moon Rising and I felt it would be good for members in this section, to share with those here also.  My grateful thanks to Euphoric Sunrise for that account.  Each experience shared is a step further in enlightenment.

With Pleiadian Love and Light,
MAYATNIK.

[Euphoric Sunrise]

I thought i should post what else i have done with the pendulum since then. I'm thinking i should post this in the pendulum topic, but since we seem to have ventured there here i'll stick it here for now.

I'm not sure how reliable this information i got is and i still don't fully believe it myself (it's not that easy to trust a necklace with such things as guides).
So i asked the pendulum if i had four guides and it gave me 'yes' (i had gone up from 1, so i had tested all previous numbers). I thought of ways i could figure out what my guides were.
I thought animals, and that i am very attracted to black panthers, and i've read that an animal you are fond of may be a guide. So i asked the pendulum if a black panther was my guide and it gave me 'yes'.
Amongst other questions i came to aliens. I wasn't even sure if it was possible to have aliens as guides, but i asked anyway. I went through each race i was aware of and in the end i got that i have 2 pleiadian guides and 1 reptilian guide.
Now, this information could be totally wrong. From what i've read reptilians don't seem the sort to have guides, but then i really don't know anything about them myself.
All i know is i've asked the pendulum multiple questions about this at different times of the day, on different days, and all the answers always tell me that the information i have been given is correct.
I'm actually starting to believe my desires are controlling the pendulum as the answers i'm being given are very pleasing. I suppose any answers about guides would be pleasing though.

[MAYATNIK]

Euphoric Sunrise –

I copied your original post to this thread rather than the Pendulum thread, because this one is dealing with matters one 'stage' on as it were and not purely Pendulum alone – so 'spirit guides' is a typical spinoff, and ideal for this thread.

The account you give of your Pendulum session is interesting.  It illustrates how a line of questioning can go astray and lead to puzzling responses.

The session seems to be concerned with you wanting to find out your position regarding guides.  You say.....

quote:So i asked the pendulum if i had four guides and it gave me 'yes' (i had gone up from 1, so i had tested all previous numbers)

Now, since I wasn't there, I can only assume that you asked:
> Have I got a guide....YES
> Have I got 2 guides.....YES
----- and here I recollect that in your previous post you mentioned 2 guides being present – you'd checked this.  It may wel be that two guides were indeed present at that time; perfectly logical to assume.
> Have I got 3 guides..... YES
----- this would seem to be unusual.
> Have I got 4 guides..... YES
----- logical 'alert bells' would start ringing for me at this point.  This seems in every sense far from ordinary; a crowd is gathering!

It is important to detect quickly when answers start to 'feel' wrong.  And the guides in the initial stages are teaching just this very often.  What they are saying as well is, "Don't expect the answers on a plate".  You are clearly anxious to find out as much as possible, quickly, about any guide that you may have.  Since you will hopefully have read in the instructions that you are unlikely to have more than one guide (and/or 'monitor') at any one time in your learning, then the maximum would be, sensibly thinking, two.  So, the Pendulum is also saying, "Have you thought properly about this line of questioning?"

In fact, the ideal question to put at the earliest stage in this type of questioning would be:
> Am I thinking about this in the right way... NO

Let's revamp this questioning line then:

(I'm not permitted to do too much of this, because you have to find your own answers – but here's how it might start off).....

> Have I got a guide?... yes  < - a small swing here, merely affirming.
> Does everybody have a guide?... NO < --- very positive answer.
..... sudden thought crosses your mind to ask...
> Does everybody have a 'guardian angel'?... YES
> Is this in the same way as Mayatnik calls a 'monitor'?...no
> But the Guardian angel does 'monitor' in a sense?...YES
> Is this to see how I progress with 'life lessons'?... YES
> And does the Guardian Angel make a report daily on this?...YES
> Is a 'Guardian Angel' similar to a 'guide' in what they do?... NO
> So a 'guide' is completely different?...YES
> The Pendulum said yesterday I had 2 guides with me?... YES
> Were they both my 'guides'?... NO
> One of them was my 'guide'?...YES
> Was one of them 'observing'... YES
> Is that 'normal' ... NO
> Was it anything specifically to do with me... NO
> But usually only one 'guide' is there?...YES
> Mayatnik said that often a person gets a 'monitor' guide first...YES
> This is often the case before a guide is 'assigned'?... YES
----- Note: The Mayatnik question affirms the fact that Mayatnik said it, but does not state in itself that it is true what Mayatnik said.
----- So,
>  Is Mayatnik right about this, regarding a 'monitor'?...YES
----- Note: No ambiguity – a direct affirmation, stating this to be true.
>  Am I doing alright with my questioning?... YES
>  Are you my guide now?... YES
>  Are you what Mayatnik calls a 'Teacher-Guide'?... YES
>  Will get another guide after I have learned things?... YES
>  Will the next guide be my 'parmanent guide'... <searching>
----- The Pendulum spins here, searching, because there are quite a number of variables – how well you learn, what you learn, will another 'teacher-guide' be necessary..... too many variables at this stage...
>  Pendulum Stop, please.  < --- Then Pendulum stops <searching>
>  Have you been a 'guide' for a long time?... YES
>  A very long time?   (the Pendulum may not move to respond here)
----- Note: 'Time' is relative to the Earth, it is OUR time frame.
>  Were you a guide before Man came on the Earth?...YES
>  Have you been a guide on other planets?...YES
>  Did you have to have special 'training' to be a guide?...YES

We could go on for ages, following various similar lines of questioning on this topic alone – finding out about guides, getting to know your guide, where they came from, etc.

The important thing to remember in the first stage of learning, is getting used to just talking to the Pendulum, and recognising what is 'common-sense' in order to get rid of conditioning and work on inner-development.  Strange as it may seem, when you get to exploring perspectives beyond anything we are remotely familiar with there is still the element of common-sense that should be applied in asking questions, and also thinking of analogies where something is unfamiliar.   So, questions after the style of....
> Is this like [or similar to]..... < - here describing a known situation.
> Am I thinking along the right lines here?...YES/NO will tell you.
> Would I be better putting that question a different way?
----- and you can think of many more variations.  The idea is to adopt a 'conversational' thread, just as you would sitting with a Wise Friend.

You say:

quote: I thought animals, and that i am very attracted to black panthers, and i've read that an animal you are fond of may be a guide. So i asked the pendulum if a black panther was my guide and it gave me 'yes'

The idea of animals comes from such as Native Indian and Shaman cultures, and such 'guides' are very powerful to them.  I am not going to go into detail here because it is a vast area of exploration.  Let me just give you a small clue though – an animal guide is not a real animal but has the 'attributes' that animal is tradionally said to possess, and in that is much power for the mind to connect with higher consciousness.  The thing here would be to read a book, or two preferably – and then ask practical questions about the subject.  A similar thing applies in our culture where many refer to their 'Higher Self'.  It is the same as the animal-guide in the sense that it is a bridge to Higher Realms beyond our own individual (higher)self.  Communication takes place through the Higher Self, and not just to that Higher Self (although, depending on the culture and conditioning, a person may feel more comfortable with talking to or through that Higher Self as a kind of buffer between them and what may be 'out there' in the at-present Unknown.  In such a case, as with an affinity to an 'animal guide' (through reading for example, and/or absorbing elements of that culture) then the Pendulum will understand how the person feels, and answer accordingly.  The True Reality is always greater than our perception at any stage, because all is relative to what we can grasp at each perspective level.

You go on to ask about Aliens – Pleiadians and 'Reptilians'.  The fact that you mention Reptilians tells me that you have been picking up on things you've heard or read.  Now is the time to clarify your thoughts by reading more about these things, rather than asking have you got them as your guides.  Obviously you have a strong desire to be part of all that's new but you first have to gain a 'balanced' perspective by reading and questioning about what you read, sentence by sentence would be a good start.  Build on the answers you receive, and if it starts to feel confusing then go back to a lower rung of the perspective and take another look from that height at what you can see that makes sense.  Only when you feel you have a firm foothold at that perspective should you move up further.

You sum it up clearly in your final paragraph:

quote: I'm actually starting to believe my desires are controlling the pendulum as the answers i'm being given are very pleasing. I suppose any answers about guides would be pleasing though

The Pendulum will not take you higher until you feel sure and confidet about what you're learning – and then you will start to get consistent answers that make sense to you - practice along the lines of the model Questions I gave above, and apply that thinking to different topics.

The fact that SeekingAnswers has done it, and can attest clearly to that, is proof it can be done.  There is no race to 'get there' in this, and each person has matters of inner-deveolopment that take priority each of those different in themselves.  So, just keep asking questions - as many as you possibly can - and enjoy the journey!

With Pleiadian Love and Light,
MAYATNIK.

[Euphoric Sunrise]

The questioning i used was "Do i have at least one personal guide in total?" and so on until i got to five, where it gave me a no. So yes that would probably be the same as you assumed. As i said before, i'm a bit suspicious of the answers i'm getting. I am leaning towards the idea that i'm getting incorrect answers because of either my desire/excitement, and/or my questioning. I'll work on it.
Thanks for the guidance ([]), it's much appreciated.

[Serenity1]

MAYATNIK, and all.
I dont't wish to ghange the current topic but just to say thanks and
I have, today, finished reading the book you recommended in an early post (I think page 1)"Bringers Of The Dawn". I would like to thank you for the recommendation. It has bought me up to speed on all that has happened, is happening and going to happen (probable).
I  would summarize the book as a concise and profoundly informative overview of the planets history, and am quiet amazed at the many parallels (yet with a different perspective) to other authors I've read over the past year on my search for personal development. To mention just 3, the first one that came to mind was Carlos Castonadas last book he wrote, which I cant remember the name now, in it he was describing these non-physical beings which feed on emotions, fear and anxiety etc. hence the need to manufacture fear etc.(lower frequency stuff). Then  they(Pleiadian)  refer all the time, to frequency, both of sound and light, which reminded me about what the Munro Institute and Bruce Moen have been discovering and documenting as is also what the Astral Pulse is about (generally speaking)
We are ment to be here!!!.

I was very pleased to read and understand the purpose of the 12 chakra centers as till now thought it a daunting task to attempt to study sensibly and grasp clearly.

Their (Pleiadian) constant emphasis on our (human) potential ability to become the  interdimensional and multidimensional beings, that we are (again) ment to become, is very exciting.
I was not expecting the surprise I got at the second last chapter (21) when thy give a formula, INTENTION - BREATHING- PILLAR of LIGHT and SPINNING for those who wish to accelerate. If I read this correctly then there is a very simple method of perhaps
going astral at my finger tips (thumb). I intend to practice this to see what happens. If its a goody I'll post the full version.

Ive enjoyed the book immensely and will be reading it again.

Thanks Mayatnik and all on Astral Pulse
Goodnite[|)]

[Tao]

Quite interesting - tonight all the things i was questioning seemed to link each other - and this with the help of our (astral pulse members) friend MAYATNIK - thanks again MAYATNIK.

Until this day (or yesterday it`s 1:25 PM right now) i was reading topics only from <<Out of Body and Astral Experiences>> forums.. But yesterday i just kinda` want to see more of this site`s forum (i`m a regular user of this site for a month or two - and studying AP for about several years - but not so active until 2 months now) and I found <<Astral Consciousness>> - and it was impossible to miss the 13 pages topic "AND THE TRUTH SHALL BE KNOWN - You'll see !" - i read some posts and after that (i thought it was nothing interesting - i was just scrolling ) I went back to the <<Astral Consciousness>> page and i saw something that OPENED my mind and eyes !!! I saw Franks topic "Question for Mayatnik" and it seemed impossible to me ! Why you might ask.. well because Frank is a more spiritual advanced person in my eyes (and in every newbie eyes i guess) and usually he answeared topics like "Question for Frank" and now he was posting a topic "Question for Mayatnik - by Frank" !!! Then I said in my mind: "This MAYATNIK fellow must KNOW SOMETHING" So I began reading (i still have to read "AND THE TRUTH SHALL BE KNOWN - You'll see !" topic) Anyways thank you Frank for all your help..

I haven`t tried the technique yet but i certainly will !

Another thing I would like to mention is while reading "Question for Mayatnik" i realised i made progress in my attempt to AP - i got to partial paralysis - until now i thought i slept on my hand or something )

And my question is this: What Does AP has to do with EVERYTHING (with the universal truth and all) ?? I mean is it a waste of time ? Or is it another method ?

This is all - i won`t ask other questions although i have a LOT of them - but as you said MAYATNIK I`ll discover the truth myself (hope i`ll be able to do it soon) for the sake of the journey

Thanks again Astralpulse members, Frank and MAYATNIK,
Thawon

[Frank]

Tao: Thank you ever so much for your kind comments.

While I have quite a lot of experience at Astral projection, in the general scheme of things I'm just a tiny fish in a very large pond. Mankind is bordering on discovering a whole new "science". And while we all, in our own way, are the forerunners of that... in a hundred years or so, people are going to look back and laugh at how limited we all were.

Yours,
Frank

[Tao]

What I wanted to ask you Frank - have you developed a kind of BIG curiousity for "the pendulum thing" ? Or am I the only one who thinks that this is the key to Everything ?

What I mean is do you find "the pendulum" more important then Astral Travel ?  - because I have kind of "put aside" the AP exercises recently (thinking that "the pendulum" is more important)..

PS: I wanted to ask MAYATNIK something too.. but i saw that he answears more on the other topic (that`s the best way) and I shall post my questions there.. (after i finish reading all that has been said)..

All the best,
Thawon

[Frank]

quote:Originally posted by Tao

What I wanted to ask you Frank - have you developed a kind of BIG curiousity for "the pendulum thing"

The direct answer to your question is, no.

However, as a result of Mayatnik's posts, I have developed a BIG curiosity for "the Pleiadian thing". To the extent where I am currently in the process of working towards attempting contact within non-physical realms.

quote:Or am I the only one who thinks that this is the key to Everything ?

It may well be that you were in some way "destined" to reach this moment and feel this way. Just as Mayatnik himself was, in his own way.

quote:What I mean is do you find "the pendulum" more important then Astral Travel ?

Again the simple answer to your question is, no.

quote: because I have kind of "put aside" the AP exercises recently (thinking that "the pendulum" is more important)

Then I would suggest you follow your instinct and go for it.

Yours,
Frank

[justine]

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[Tao]

Frank.. could i have a chat session with you please ? if yes please respon/PM/mail me or anything... I would be very pleased


Waiting an answear,
Thawon

[Kalonek]

I have already posted my little experience on another post but maybe it has something to do with this, so Mayatnik could you tell me if what i saw looks like some E.T. guide ? Here it is :

"I was in my bed, but light was still on. Eyes closed, i was totally relaxed and was thinking very hard "i want to meet my guide, i want to meet my guide ..." over and over in my head. Little by little, in my mind, i saw i was traveling in some kind of tunnel (i wasn't APing, but in my body, in was just in my mind) with squares on it, it was like this for about a minute, and then i was in the air, a pinky sky with clouds and a big mecanism of wheels like in a clock behind the clouds, and suddenly a horrible face came out of one of the cloud, the same type you describe i think : it was humanoid, smiling, but without hair, with pink skin, a very small mouth, kinda like a "grey" alien but with normal eyes. I was really afraid and get back in a normal consciousness state immediately, thinking it was a neg or my imagination. Sh*t, it might have been my guide ... As I was wanting to see him ... Hope he didn't take it bad hehe Do you think it could be that ?"

I let you be the judge ...
I have tried to do it again but i couldn't success in creating the tunnel. I'll try again tonight with all the new info i get from you.

Thanks

[MAYATNIK]

Kalonek –

You ask:

quote:Mayatnik could you tell me if what i saw looks like some E.T. guide ?
I let you be the judge ...
I have tried to do it again but i couldn't success in creating the tunnel. I'll try again tonight with all the new info i get from you.

It's late at night here, and I notice your are in France – so whether you'll see this before bedtime I don't know.  But, I'll try to get it on the boards as quickly as I can, with my comments you ask for.

First of all, the 'tunnel' you mention is partly to do with a particular 'state' where the natural chemicals of the brain free the conscious mind... so it just happens when conditions are right.

People actually use various 'methods' to try to induce an 'altered state' of consciousness, and some of those methods are on these forums.  They work, or do not work, depending on the individual.  There is a place for all such methods in this modern world where stress and conditioning block natural access to the Higher Realms.  In fact, we are all born with the innate ability to do it – then it is often knocked out of us while we are still children, and we are forced to 'conform'.  For many, conditioning is hard to break, so a particular 'method' often gives the person something to latch onto for this, and the 'believing' in the method helps as much as the method itself.  but, being able to just 'do it' naturally is the best, and the easiest.  I just 'go' when I want to...and you seem to have the ability to let yourself be an a sufficiently relaxed and natural state as to be able to do this.  The natural way is always the best, and will always work if a person is sufficiently relaxed and can shed conditioning and Fear.

What happened was real, as the 'tunnel' progressed to the landscape.  It wasn't imagination (often thinking it is imagination is the biggest problem that people have, then the conscious mind takes over and snaps them out of it; the way is just to go with it).  So it was, that a 'face' was presented to you.  This is typical, and thousands of people report encounters in exactly this way so there is too much correlation for it to just be a picture; it was presented for you to see.

From what you describe it is clear to me in my experience (and my guide affirms what I am saying here also) that you were being presented with a 'test'.  Why should you be presented with a test in this way?  One of the reasons is to get you to think about your notion of 'aliens'.  The 'face' presented to you was not a normal 'Grey' type species, but there were similarities (small mouth etc).  The guides can present themselves in any form they choose, but that 'face' was chosen obviously, and it would seem to be to test your Fear.  Fear is something to be overcome.  The next time it happens, the way forward is to just remain calm and wait to see if the 'Being' (however presented) speaks to you, which will be 'heard' in your mind).  Or, you can just say, "Hello" perfectly naturally, as a greeting.  And see what transpires from there.  You are simply being allowed to have this experience through your mind, and there is nothing in that which can harm you.

I have just quickly dashed this off, and I will leave it at that for now so that you may be able to read this tonight.

Look forward to hearing more from you on this.

With Pleiadian Love and Light,
MAYATNIK.

[Kalonek]

A big thank you for your fast answer Mayatnik !

quote:Originally posted by MAYATNIKFirst of all, the 'tunnel' you mention is partly to do with a particular 'state' where the natural chemicals of the brain free the conscious mind... so it just happens when conditions are right.

My problem is that i tried again to create the tunnel but i can't as clearly. The closer i get to it took me 1h30 a few days ago, i saw a bit of the tunnel but at the end was an image of an old military parade (begining of the XXth cent.) which seems familiar but i don't know why and it vanished in a matter of seconds (about 10)... I think my problem might be that i am not "mentally" relaxed enough, as i know what i am expecting to see (last time i just wanted to relax and was thinking of nothing, just following the tunnel). I'll try again tonight if i can and i'll tell you what happen. Does it help if i call my guide in my head ?

quote:From what you describe it is clear to me in my experience (and my guide affirms what I am saying here also) that you were being presented with a 'test'.

What do you mean by 'my guide affirms what i am saying here also" ? On my particular experience or in general ? However, thanks for this explanation, i understand better what was happening now (i feard a long time to have encountered a "neg" that was attached to me) !
Was this face "my" guide or any of them ? I know i won't be afraid anymore now, i'm confident and want to experience talking with my guide(s).

quote:The guides can present themselves in any form they choose, but that 'face' was chosen obviously, and it would seem to be to test your Fear.

Well it seems i have failed the test [V] Is this problematic ? Would i have another chance in the near future ? Does it depend on me or on them ? Could they be disapointed by my reaction ?
When you say i'll hear the guide talk, you mean physically i'll hear words or i'll just have an impression of knowing what he wants to say to me ? How would i make the difference between him and me talking in my head ? Is it very clearly another voice ?

Do you think that starting to use the pendulum could be good for me as i have seemingly met "face to face" one of the guides ? Maybe they'll answer my questions and i'll have some instructions for the next time ... ?

Btw, i have a question that might seem odd but .. what exactly does our guide do for us ? I mean does he really guide us in our everyday life or is it more like someone we know and chat with so we tend to elevate ourselves spiritually with the information he gives to us ?

quote:I have just quickly dashed this off, and I will leave it at that for now so that you may be able to read this tonight.

Well thank you very much to have take a bit of your free time to answer me, i had learnt a lot from this ! I hope the guides know that i'm confused about what happened [] I really want to make a better impression the next time (if next time there is ...) !

Thank you again Mayatnik !

Kalonek

[Kalonek]

Well i have done a little search on the various ET races you're talking about, and i've found that the greys (and the reptilien) were enemies to us, is that right ? Then how could they be our guides ? Or do only the pleiadians are our guides ?

Thanks

[Parmenion]

Greetings Kalonek,


I understand your concern. You have got to realise that much of what you will read (especially on the internet) is not to be trusted.
There are many charlatans around who try to teach people wrong information. Whether they know it is wrong or beleive it to be correct is irrelevant, it is still wrong.

With the pendulum however, you have in your hands a tool to verify any information you read and with it you will find only the truth. I suggest you check everything you read, including this post and others here with your pendulum.

With best regards,

Dave

[MAYATNIK]

ANNOUNCEMENT
I quote here from SilentWitness78 (Daniel), in his latest post in
<AND THE TRUTH SHALL BE KNOWN - you'll see!>
Pendulum thread:

quote:Parmenion, is a great example of how quickly one can grow with the pendulum as I was telling Mayatnik last night, his questioning skils are superb and he has learned how to quickly jump from one string of questions to another to get to the answers he is looking for and confirming them as well. Take a look at some of his Q & A sessions they are fabulous learning tools.

I will more than second that --- in fact, I have some very good news......

My guide, KAREK, informed me two days ago that – due to his excellent progress - she is now working actively with PARMENION.

--o--
As of from yesterday
PARMENION
has been selected by Karek to take over
for the time being
the work I have been doing
here on the
<AND THE TRUTH SHALL BE KNOW – You'll see!>
and
<QUESTION FOR MAYATNIK>
threads
--o--

PARMENION will be working directly with KAREK at all times, to respond to any posts or issues that I would otherwise have dealt with myself.  This will enable me to concentrate on other work at this time, including clear updating and Summarising of the Pendulum topic information that has already been presented by Karek in her channelings, plus extra features to be added by me for the benefit of all members.

KAREK will, of course, continue to work with me at the same time, on those other things I shall be doing  – so she will definitely be the busiest one of the three of us!

I know PARMENION is in good hands with KAREK, and the members can be assured that they will find that working-combination will benefit the thread – and Parmenion has already proved to be exceptional in  progress and skill, so I confidently leave it in his hands to take this  topic forward (and Karek will be doing the same as she did with me, so she'll be checking all posts with Parmenion as they're being read and replies prepared for posting).

With Pleiadian Love and Light,
MAYATNIK.

[Kalonek]

First of all : congratulations Paramenion !!

quote:Originally posted by Parmenion
With the pendulum however, you have in your hands a tool to verify any information you read and with it you will find only the truth. I suggest you check everything you read, including this post and others here with your pendulum.

i have started using the pendulum, and discovered i had 5 guides : 3 pleiadians, my higher self and another one from the higher realms. But the pendulum keeps telling me i'm not using it right, though i do exactly what is said by Mayatnik. And i don't know if it's normal that the pendulum just move from an inch at max. I never know if i'm not interfering with it with little "pushes" ... Big dilemas for me ... Maybe you could check quickly with your own pendulum if i'm doing things right or not ... Would be great (but i know you are busy now).
Thanks anyway for you answer !

Kalonek

[silentwitness78]

Kalonek,

I had the exact same problems with worrying whether I was interfering or giving little nudges in the direction I though the answer should be. In the begining I'm sure it happened from time to time but here are some tips I used to get past this stage of doubt.

My first tip is simple.Practice! Practice! Practice! The more you do it the more you will get to know your pendulum and the more alive it will become to you.

Second tip is to relax before begining a session ... at least when you are a novice. This worked for me and I found it helped when I wasn't anxious or stressed out. I'd usualy take a hot bath beforehand and maybe a little meditation or deep breathing to help clear my mind.

Then just learn to let the pendulum dangle freely in front of you and try to clear your mind of any doubts or fear that might pop in.

For me it took awhile to find a point of focus or something to hold my concentration on but with time I found the bottom point of my pendulum (it looks like a purple sharks tooth) was the perfect area of concentration for me.

Then I just let my mind clear and keep focusing on the area, eventually it begins to swing in a circular motion slowly, slowly and as long as I keep my mind clear it speeds up and then it will either begin to swing back and forth or side to side ... once I got to know my pendulum I could see the tip or point that I was focused on nibble. Almost like when you are fishing. You can be holding the rod in your hands, even if you swing the string, shake the reel or the whole rod itself while talking to dad or just day dreaming about catching the big one, once you've done enough fishing you will just KNOW when you have a bite. It is unmistakable. This is the same feeling I get with the pendulum. I notice a slight bite and then it starts to swing in that direction. Eventually when my focus became stronger and I learned to have faith a white glow started to appear around the shark's tooth (I have no idea what the proper term would be) [] Sometimes it will just continue to swing round and round and round and I have learned that this is search mode and if your question is poor it may search forever and ever or just come to a complete stop.

Just thought I would throw in my 2 cents in and give you some ideas. I am definately no pro but these things have worked for me so if they bring even a grain of truth and learning to your lessons I am greatful. Take care.

-All my love
-Daniel