Uh oh, the spirits....OCD

len · July 08, 2003, 04:08:56

Yep, dont mind me... Karma cannot exist with fate, Karma can only exist with free will. Let me tell you somthing the FBI admitted in 1996 to expirmenting with remote viewing, psychic spying.

The Aliens UFOs travel on the molecular level, this is why the cow mutalations and taking people sperm and things like that. Thier ships run on molecules. Our technology is moving in that direction to with DNA computers!! Strange huh? The Aliens.......

len · July 08, 2003, 11:29:30

Thanks for answering guys!!!

len · July 08, 2003, 14:07:40

yep.......................

SilverSlider · July 08, 2003, 16:01:43

I personally can't help you out there but it might be better if you gave the topic at least one day for people to read and respond to.

Laurel · July 09, 2003, 18:52:13

Hey Len,

First off, let me tell you that it's pretty normal for new people's posts to get ignored in any community, especially when the request is something that most people don't have much (if any) experience with. So, the lack of reply is nothing personal, even though I know it's a disappointment (it happens to me, another newbie here, too.)

Usually the best way to get answers is to first become a contributing member of the community. Let people get to know you by replying thoughtfully to existing topics, adding useful commentary and sharing your experiences when appropriate. When you're familiar to people in the community, it's more likely for people to take the time and effect to respond to "help! need info" type posts (or any other kind, for that matter.)

That being said, let me try to address your concern.

Obviously, it's not a good idea to even accidentally call up "bad spirits." Maybe you find yourself doing this because you're overly focused on the idea. Maybe if it's not possible for you to calm your compulsing and obsessing, you can find something else to obsess about that has less potential for harm. Looking into yourself to determine the root of your particular compulsive interest in calling up spirits (as you describe it) might illuminate your problem, too.

I don't have any experience with OCD-induced requests for evil, but I'd guess that not intending the request seriously might make it less potent. So if you find yourself making a request, you could try to follow or preceed it with a silly or negating phrase. (Not sure this would work, but if you're going to keep OOBEing, you have to try something.)

Really, the best thing to do is probably to use cognitive behavioral methods, which you can learn about in any decent library or bookstore, to deal with your obsessing in the context of OOBEs. Physical, emotional and spiritual health all tie into one another, so taking care of yourself psychologically will help you move forward spiritually, too.

Good luck with everything!
Laurel

PeacefulWarrior · July 10, 2003, 00:15:32

Hey, don't worry! No one is ignoring you, it just takes time and really compelling stuff to get people interested sometimes. I am one, for example, that would love to respond to every post but I simply don't have the time.

Regarding your post I will say this: don't worry about "accidently" calling up bad spirits. You are mistaking conscious/voluntary desire with subconscious fear. For example, I might walk into a crowded room and think, "Man, I hope I don't trip and fall! I know I am going to trip though!" THen, of course, I don't trip...but I was scared I might do that so I thought it. That is different than saying to yourself, "I am going to walk in there and fall down on my face in purpose." Do you see where I am going with this?

Also, don't believe everything you hear and see about UFO's and aliens. I will IM you with my feelings regarding this subject if you want.

Daniel

Kodemaster · July 10, 2003, 18:42:28

Hi Len,

Thank you for posting this. I have OCD. This very subject often bothered me, too. I know what it's like to have realy bad thoughts repeate over and over in my head, and let me tell you it can be scary. You're not alone.

I have had a running fear of bad spirits...I even get bad thoughts about them whilst OB...however, I've never attracted a spirit with them. I think there must be a difference between thoughts with intent, and OCD thoughts. Most of the time, when we think, it is because we intend to think. However, OCD sufferers often think of things they don't want to, often as a result of not wanting to think of them! Since control of your surroundings in the astral is based on intent, then superflous, unwanted thoughts are not going to affect you.

Another suggestion: Don't try to project at night, if you do, because the dark of night will increase your fear and you won't be able to see anyway. Also, try to sleep with a TV or a radio on. That's what I do, otherwise my thoughts would keep me up all night!!!

Take care and good luck. Also, feel free to PM me any time if you would like advice on OCD. I think it would help us both to talk about it!

Take care,

Jeni

P.S. I just signed back on the board for the first time in awhile; that's why I didn't reply when you first posted.

len · July 10, 2003, 21:06:34

Im sorry, Thanks guys.

len · July 08, 2003, 02:29:43

Ok I think I got a problem. I have been getting into that deep state where my body is asleep and I feel those intence vibrations (the way mr. bruce describes them they sound subtle but they are intence). Anyway Mr Bruce explained about calling (thinking for) help from a spirit to help you exit your body. He explained to beware of doing this for obvious reasons. I have OCD thought so somtimes I think for help even when I dont want to like when im in that state. Somtimes I accidently ask (in thinking mode obviously) for spirits to do bad things. Im worried will this bring bad things. I cant help it its my ocd. What should I do?

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