The 'card' verification

[Mirador]

If you need to verify your experience, then you're in the wrong field, how about OBE laboratorist?

Mirador

[chill]

The verification goes like this :

You shuffle a deck of cards, and you pick one card withoutout looking at it, you place it face up on a piece of furniture high enough so that you can't see it unless you climb on something, then when you *think* that you are having an obe, while you're having *it*, you go and take a look at the card. You repeat in your 'mind' what the card is, to memorize it. Then when you wake up, you go verify. You can use even 2 cards.

If you get it right, it's either that :

1- you have guessed it correctly, whoa ! One should repeat the experience. The likelyhood that you get it right more then once is extremely slim. But for the sake of doing 1 experiment, while the chance you get 1 card right is 1/52 the chance that you get both right (if you draw 2 cards) is 1/2704, I think, I am not sure about this []

2- or it means that you have 'seen' the card by some other mean then looking at it with your own physical eyes - how ?? perhapse an obe has taken place, as defined by Robert Bruce's. At least, something special has happened : obe or Remote Viewing - some type of clairvoyance. For me, if I could guess ONE card correctly 2 times out of 3, that would be close to an actual *proof*.

Otherwise obes might just be hallucinations, or a dream. As they are, my dreams (lucid or not lucid) or so vivid and detailed - and some of the encounters I make with beings are so 'real' - that I can surely make the admission that obe's just dont exist, as Robert Bruce defines them that is. Maybe, there is NO ACTUAL projection taking place.

The fact that there is correlation of symptoms (the buzzing or vibrations, the warm feeling), from people to people, doesn't prove that we are indeed projecting out of our body. For example, descriptions of sleep paralysis are very much alike, from person to person, from country to country. That still doesn't prove that we actually see what's in our room at that time (it might very well be a memory of it) and that there is an actual presence near us(our real-time double or some other entity). It could be a brain reaction. Simple as that. Chemistry. And since all of our brain share more or less the same chemistry...

I have had thousands of sleep paralysis experiences in my life, and very often I would pick up on some details - such as what was on my night table - only to find out when I snapped out of the paralysis that what I had seen while paralysed was not 100% what had been actually there. For example, I had seen a glass on my table where there was none. Otherwise, everything else was there as it was while I was paralysed. Etc..

Thanks []

[Links Shadow]

Hah hah Mirador, you are such a witty person.

I have tried the viewing card exercise and have had it work.  Althought I have only done it one time so I don't know if I could repeat it but I am sure that I could.  If you are just curious if it is possible then yes it is.

Links Shadow

[beavis]

Twice, I OBEed and correctly read a 4 digit random number on my computer screen.

[Albert]

quote:Originally posted by Mirador

If you need to verify your experience, then you're in the wrong field, how about OBE laboratorist?

Mirador

Just curious, why would there be anything wrong with it?

[wonderboy]

I have done it. it was a double blind experiment my roommate
shuffled the card and didn't look at it but put it up on the
shelf. I OBE'd (after several months of trying to see the card)
and saw it. I called both my roommates in to verify before I
ever looked at it. Interestingly enough when a couple of us first got into AP the majority of people wanted proof. But even after the card viewing they just wanted more proof. All I can say is that I've been a lucid dreamer for years, and when you are out of body, you know it.
take care and good luck.
Wonderboy

[fredhedd]

mirador, i really do like how you are a willy to a lot of people on here.  i think that excrement is funny.  though, i don't think you are doing it to just be funny.  

if you are going to act like that, you should at least be sure that what you are saying can't be attacked in anyway.  usually that's not the case.  

getting people roused up is fun.  i like to do it myself.  i also like to make others look dumb, when they are trying to make someone else feel stupid in any way.

if you would be so kind as to enlighten me a little more, that would be fantastic.  what is wrong w/ wanting to find out more about an experience that was had?  if there is a difference between oobe and being lucid, it would be nice to know what was happening, and when.  

also, if you re-read the original post carefully, chill isn't asking to verify his experience.  he's asking about verifying the reality of it.  it would be easy to tell if you were dreaming or not by getting the card right.  

chill, keep at the card check.  you'll eventually get it.

[chill]

Anyone has been able to successfully identify a card while OBEing, as suggested in the book Astral Dynamics ? (as verification of the reality of their experience).

I have not yet.

Thank you.