How Many Planes are there?

beavis · July 23, 2003, 14:49:55

How is it obvious theres an infinite amount? Did you count them?

spellcast91 · July 23, 2003, 16:43:20

isnt the astral body versatile enough to go into all the planes?

shadowatcher · July 23, 2003, 16:56:46

1. I think there are an infinite amount of planes. Planes arent physical places, just this one is. Its really not proveable, but Its faith.

2. Well, I dont know if the astral body is versatile to visit all the planes, because nobodies been to all the planes...but does anyone know any others than physical or astral?

beavis · July 23, 2003, 17:12:47

spellcast, not according to Monroe. He wrote there was some place that had a door he couldnt fit through yet because he couldnt think the right way. Theres a lot that we can see now.

shadowatcher, I have no reason to think the number of planes is finite or infinite. I am interested to know why you chose one?

shadowatcher · July 23, 2003, 18:01:09

The nature of the universe as a whole, is infinite rather than finite(or in your opinion, undecided). FOR EXAMPLE: At first it apeared the smallest particles where atoms. Then Quarks. Then Gluons. Then so on...and so on... Point being, even when you get smaller, its expanding. There is no end to possibilities. THere is no *end of the universe* it goes on forever.

WalkerInTheWoods · July 23, 2003, 18:51:50

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Originally posted by spellcast91

isnt the astral body versatile enough to go into all the planes?

I would think the the astral body could only exist on the astral plane. Just like our physical body can only exist on the physical plane. You would have to get into your other bodies that exist on the other planes in order to explore them.

According to some, Hindu I think, there are 7 planes and humans can access 4 of them, or so I read somewhere. Though really we already exist on all planes, it is a matter of raising your consciousness enough to get to a certain plane, plus having enough control to explore in that plane. That is one theory anyway. Though I am not sure how one could get that there are 7 planes if human's can only access 4 of them.

shadowatcher · July 23, 2003, 19:08:54

I see what you mean about having a body for every plane. But that raises some interesting questions...for example; if the physical plane is our homeplane, are there are other beings with different homeplanes? If we have bodies on all the planes why cant we get to the other 4? If humans cant get to the other planes...how do we know they exist? but on the other hand, I dougbht some Astral Pulse users are human...*cough* kibeginnersnightmare *cough*

WalkerInTheWoods · July 23, 2003, 19:32:27

The reason presented why humans cannot go too high: as you move farther up the planes things become more united, at the top plane everything is one with no separation. Either you cannot go to the top few planes because if you actually did you would not be able to return because your experience would be so profound and you would be so developed that you have no need or you just cannot be physically human and be that developed to understand those planes.

beavis · July 23, 2003, 21:41:41

shadowatcher "The nature of the universe as a whole, is infinite rather than finite(or in your opinion, undecided). FOR EXAMPLE: At first it apeared the smallest particles where atoms. Then Quarks. Then Gluons. Then so on...and so on... Point being, even when you get smaller, its expanding. There is no end to possibilities. THere is no *end of the universe* it goes on forever."

We have seen a finite number of smaller particles. No set of finite numbers can ever logically lead to or imply infinity.

strwrs_guru · July 23, 2003, 22:20:56

well lets see......the 727, the 747, the B52, the f-14, ......................................................................Ha Ha? [

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Tayesin · July 23, 2003, 23:40:40

Hi Folks.

Hmmmm, Let's see. The traditional picture :- 2 planes below us, ours, and some say 7 above us, some say 9.

A bigger picture :- A hell of a lot more.

An even bigger picture :- Thousands of realities in dimensions/planes.

Possible really big picture :- Millions upon millions.

And yes we can move through them all if we CHOOSE and if we are vibrating at the frequency required to do so.

I used to love going with my Air Force dad to look at all the planes. LOL & some more LOL'ing.

Love always.

Tayesin · July 24, 2003, 22:01:08

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Originally posted by pmlonline

No, the Astral body CANNOT travel to all of them. You need to Soul Project if you're going to go to the plane that's higher than the astral plane.

Exactly, that is what I meant to imply. Damn, shoulda just said it like that hay. The words Soul project hadn't occured to me, thanks again for that Paul. I enjoy the way you can put what you want to say in so few words, Brilliant.

You know, when you Soul project, there are no barriers to where we can go.

Love always.

fredhedd · July 24, 2003, 23:21:40

i think the other planes are called 'mental planes'. i don't think you have a body there but more of a sense of unity. your body would then be existence instead.

WalkerInTheWoods · July 25, 2003, 04:54:48

By Soul Projection, do you mean projecting into the higher planes, such as the Soul planes you describe in your other post? Like you Astral Project on the Astral Plane, Mental Project into the Mental Plane, etc.

shadowatcher · July 25, 2003, 07:39:39

Yes, what is soul projection?[?][?][?]

shadowatcher · July 25, 2003, 09:57:48

Arent terms such as speed irrelavent in astral or soul projection?

shadowatcher · July 25, 2003, 10:44:54

Did you read the bit I posted from "quantum metaphysics" in my "True Nature Of the Astral Plane" forum?!??

Hephaestus · July 25, 2003, 12:46:33

It has been my belief that there are 7 Dimensions, within each of these 7 dimensions there are 7 planes. Our physical world is one of the dimensions, likely the 3rd or 4th and within our physical dimension there are 7 planes, the Astral being one of them. Now I dont think the other Dimensions are reachable by us, at least not during a persons life in the 3rd/4th dimension but the 7 planes of our dimension are.

But dont hold me to that.

brianspuk · July 28, 2003, 06:43:43

Astral planes

This information comes from various books I've been studying, mainly Astral Dynamics, and also from personal experiences. The planes correspond in general to the layers of the aura. Above the physical world there are, first of all, two intermediate planes which are more like states of consciousness which you tend to pass thtough as you are learning to expand your awareness. The body heat level produces a strong light in a particular colour, and the etheric level is an awareness of energy, sometimes with brief visions of the surrounding scenery through closed eyelids. Then there is the real time zone which contains a reflection of the physical world. This is followed by the astral plane in which thoughts come to life. The astral is divided into 7 subplanes of which the lowest and highest are different from the others. The lowest contains a large void with very negative energy and people who are not aware of their surroundings. The highest contains a very positive environment with higher level entities who choose to operate in a physical environment. The akashic records are a side environment of the astral which acts as an information store. Above this there is the mental plane which is a very colourful kaleidoscope like environment which you can get to if you are able to enter a state of peace and harmony. Next, the buddic plane contains a force of pure unconditional love which is even harder to experience consciously. With the other planes above this, you would lose your sense of being an individual entity and therefore in theory these cannot be experienced if you with to remain as a physical being.

Plane Name Description

1 Physical plane daytime world
1A Body heat intermediate state, coloured light
1B Etheric intermediate state, electrical activity, occasional visions
1C Real time dimension physical world out of body; etheric
2 Astral dimension Dream world with 7 subplanes
2A Akashic records Library of past and future events
3 Mental plane Rainbow rivers
4 Buddhic plane White fluffy clouds and pure love
5 Atmic level No individual personalities, united with a number of lives
6 Anupadaka Everything blends and is united with everything else
7 Adi The essence of everything

I've never read anywhere about any planes below the physical one, maybe someone could post a description of these ones.

Brian

Radha · August 04, 2003, 20:52:47

Interesting thoughts you guys are putting forth. These threads make you think don't they? If it helps any, the schools I have trained with have defined "plane" as non-three-dimensional. They have legth and breadth but no height as it were. It sems to me to be an illusion at best...or delusion at worst, that we think we need a "body". A"body" is just an organization of particles. The point of consciousness is and always has been a Spiritual being, and the Being has no mass, no energy, no "nuttin'". It is purely consciousness. It can exist on any "plane". Physical bodies can't exist on the astral as the laws are different there. Astral bodies can't exist on the above "planes" as the laws are different there. Only the Spiritual Being that is the real you can exist on all of these "planes". However you choose to name and divide them.
Each Esoteric School, East or West, was put into an ethnic group at some point in time, so beings incarnating into that group might have a vehicle for upward growth. The training given the Arabs was not intended for the Africans and so on. Today we have a veritable tower of babble, however, and people in any culture have access to numerous disciplines.
Each school sought some way to divide up the cosmos such that their members could grasp one part at a time...digest that one and move on to the next one. So terminology can get a bit confusing if you are outside of the schools. Also the defining of the "planes" was minimal. The real knowledge came/comes from direct experience on that level as a conscious Being.
My suggestion would be to pick a vehicle, whether east or west, learn their defining of the "planes" and when you learn your way around then you can more easily synthsize the other definings into your well-digested model.
But don't stop questioning and trying to reach a bit further...just as many of you are doing. It builds "growth-muscle".
In LVX
Radha

shaolin · August 05, 2003, 05:16:59

Planes?[?]

shadowatcher · July 23, 2003, 14:33:12

Obviously there are an infinite amount, but how many of them are accesable by humans? obviously 2 *astral* and *physical*, but are there others?

DriftingConscience · August 31, 2007, 22:55:37

This description of planes is interesting.
I once had a very frightening experience, which I now understand to be sleep paralysis whilst I was awake but trying to get to sleep. A vibrational electrical type of force resonanted through my body in such a way so as to paralyse every single muscle in my body including my eye muscles. I didnt lift out, but conscienciously I reckon I was very very near my body, but I was scared and thought how do I get back into my body.
Was this in the etheric plane?
By the way does anybody have any idea what is the natural frequency for human sleep paralysis, so I can look this up in physics for an explanation...

sk8chik · September 01, 2007, 03:40:30

QuoteI see what you mean about having a body for every plane. But that raises some interesting questions...for example; if the physical plane is our homeplane, are there are other beings with different homeplanes? If we have bodies on all the planes why cant we get to the other 4? If humans cant get to the other planes...how do we know they exist? but on the other hand, I dougbht some Astral Pulse users are human...*cough* kibeginnersnightmare *cough*

haha interesting point! I think its definitely possible that human souls co-exist in multiple planes/dimensions/whatever, but if the aspect of ourselves that are in this world can travel to other planes (i.e. astral) it could be possible that aspects of ourselves that exist in astral/wherever can travel to this one! or other beings that exist in higher planes can travel to ours as well. I wonder if its possible that I've encountered people who have manifested briefly from another plane and engaged me for some purpose I don't know and then returned to where they came from after our engagement. I've heard of people encountering angels.

jax4 · September 01, 2007, 15:46:00

According to the science channel, there are 11 dimensions. I'm not sure if these affect or are related to the astral planes in anyway.

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