serious problem?

[minime]

I see some of you have at least chosen to read this, but no one has dared to answer.  I hope my own kid reads this too, and her friends who are totally wrapped up in this somehow find this and read it.
I feel you are all cowards hiding behind this stuff, trying to get some kind of "rush" from being "the almighty" person with answers to people who WILL BELIEVE JUST ABOUT ANYTHING in hopes of finding a better life, or healing.  I hope you are happy with all the money you have made from selling books and it makes you feel comforted when you think about a tortuned teenager who is in pain and just feels it's a "neg" vs. something REALLY wrong with her.
I am so deeply saddened that my own kid, who is a very smart young lady is believing so much in this stuff that she won't allow me/doctors to help her and that she feels so strongly that this "neg" is what is controlling her life, which USED TO BE A GOOD LIFE BEFORE YOU ALL INFLUENCED HER!
I DARE YOU TO ALLOW THIS TO PRINT HERE AND I DARE YOU TO RESPOND TO ME IN THIS FORMAT.  CONVINCE ME YOU ARE RIGHT, I'm WAITING.
Some people like to have a little "fun" with the "unknown" and can find out a little bit and get some amusement.  I have done the same, especially when I was a teen.  But some people/teens take it just a to different level, and way too seriously.  Some people take information like this and let it run their lives.  BE RESPONSIBLE.

[kromeknight]

Hello Minime
I don't usually reply to 'neg' post because my experience with them is almost non existant. I was greatly concerned by your childs advice not to seek medical treatment, maybe it was taken out of context. I know there is a policy that children have their parents concent to join Astral pulse. I am a parent of five myself and can understand the grief you must be going through the only other explanation is that the advice came from other children. The forums are public and any advice or interaction should be scrutinized by all concerned.
I'm sure you will be contacted by the appropriete staff member to work this out with your daughter.
Take care Minime I hope your daughter will lission to reason and get better soon
Sincerly Paul

[WalkerInTheWoods]

Do you know if your daughter even comes to these forums? I have never seen anyone on these forums, or even Robert Bruce, tell someone not to seek medical help when needed. In fact almost everyone on here advises people that experience any kind of physical problems to check with a doctor to be safe. I am sorry to hear about your daughter. I am sorry that she will not seek professional medical help. But you are placing the blame on the wrong place. Most people here are rational and would never tell your daughter not to get medical help if she needed it.

[minime]

My daughter is using these forums, I know this as I check on her internet activity.  As her parent, I have never given permission for her to be on this site, or any other of the sites she may be "on".
She has friends that are into this stuff and they are supposedly reading Bruce's books (she has one herself) and giving her this advice, which they ARE interpreting. Whether it is not the intent that I am not suggesting that some of the things written in Bruce's books are telling them, exactly, not to seek medical help, but kids will come up with their own "things".
My daughter has gone as far as to spread garlic around her room to get rid of "negs" who might be invading her.  She has little signs she has made up with various symbols, etc..  She refuses to take meds that our doctor wants her to take, she is relying on this "advice" to heal her.
Of course, with normal conflicts that exist between parents and kids in her age braket.  This is something she has latched onto as her own personal "psychic self defence".  She uses this material and holds it before her as her guardian.  It is a wedge between she and her parents. She is using this, and her friends are using this material quite seriously. They are believing this vs. anything their parents might do or say, parents who ought to know best for them.

These are teens who may or may not be making up their own interpretations of things.  These impressionable teens are all over the web, particularly during summer school break, and they are bored and absorbing so much stuff, not only from this site, but many others.  I, as a parent, with deep concern, can't control ALL my daughter (she must grow up into an adult who makes her own choices, after all) sees in books, on line and on this site.  I would certainly be considered "an evil" neg influence on her, should I forbid her use of the family computer, which may come very soon.
Kids are kids, they will "pretend" to be 13, when they are really 12 or under.  Kids will "pretend" to get parent's permission to be on sites like this, when they do not have permission.  You and I can't control this, at least not any way I can figure out.
Some parents, like myself, care enough to get software so they can keep an eye on what is going in their kids lives.  We are not evil spys, as my own kid would think.  We are parents who deeply love our kids and want them safe and to help, if they need help.  I mainly got my software so I could keep an eye out for sexual predators, but it really opened up my eyes as to what my kid is REALLY getting into.  
I generally just watch what my kids are doing on line, and don't get involved unless I see a very bad path, which is what she is definately on, in my opinion.
I hope she will come back and bit to US, her parents, and see some reason.  WE are bringing her to a psychologist and we ARE bringing her, even if it is against her will, to a doctor, though she will not be cooperative.
I hope you will all, in your advice to ANYONE on this site, realize that kids take things to a different level than an adult (we hope).  What may be FUN for some people, or a choice that they make, as an adult, can be taken and interpreted WAY TOO SERIOUSLY by teens.
My daughter does not know I have a software program to see her on line acitivity.  She does not know I see what she writes and who she talks to.  If she sees this, she will KNOW, for sure.  But, I take that risk, willingly, at this time.  I am there for her and will always be there for her.  
I hope you all can temper your advice and attitudes a bit when you realize exactly who your audience is.
Sorry if I have offended some of you.

We walk a very fine line, as parents.  If we confront her with her "writings" (that we see with our parent software) and her friend's interpretations of "things", we run a very big risk of "losing her" for good, maybe not in a physical sense, but very much as far as a trust level.  We have not meant to intrude on our kid's privacy with our software and just really want to protect them, we all know that there are some horrible predators out there and it's best to keep kids safe.  So, while I have not found her to be on chat lines getting propositioned, I have found her to be taking this information, information from Bruce's books, and information from her friends and taking this to a very dangerous level.
At any rate, teens and adolescents are really "turning on" to some of this stuff, and lots of other things.  They take what is here, add other things and make their own interpretations, of course.
So, please be aware of just WHO your audience is.

[Kazbadan]

No one here is responsible for the fact that children can read the articles in this forum. Every father is responsible for their sons. We cannot destroy this forum just because childrens! It´s like porno websites: they are for adults but many young people visit that kind of sites, and believe me that the responsability it´s not from the makers of the site. For example: you cannot stop making horror movies for people with more than 18 years, just because someone thinked that childrens can see it.

Sorry about your daughter! Really sorry, but more important than medical assistance it´s that all the family and friends give to her all the love she needs.

One thing that everyone learns in here it´s that physcial and psycological health are the most important prerequisites for astral projecting. Your daughter must learn that suicide will note take her any place. If she believes in Astral P., suicide will no take her to a good place but maybe to an worts place.

I hope that you can give to her a psychologist to change her mind. She needs both psychologist and other ways of medical assistance. She must see that if someone needs medical assistance, it cannot denied. She mut see that astral projection it´s for spiritual development not for medical assistance. And she must see too that friends, love, and life, are lived in the real world. Astral Projection must be seem more like a temple wher you go sometimes, not a place where you can resolve all the problems that you have.

I really hope that your daughter,all of your family and the doctors,  can win this fight! I no that it´s very difficult to make it, but try to be more positive.
May God be with you!

Best regards from:

Fernando Oliveira

[kromeknight]

Hello Minime
Although I understand your view and taking nothing away from my other reply and PM.The younger ppl that visit these forums are in better company than other young ppl who are into partying, alcohol and none productive activities.Trying to look beyond the material world in my opinion isn't a bad thing, if proper thought is given to what they read. Interaction with ppl on these forums are usually knowledgeable and helpful, weather it be a 12 yr posting "hi"  ten times throughout the different forums he will learn from the replys about  self control, how to conduct himself with other ppl in a public forum.
Other yong ppl learn theres more to ki (DBZ) than cartoons.
I will  face simular problems as you when my kids grow older we all know this but in truth I wish I had this site to read and interact with as a 13 yr because I was experiencing many of the topic we now disuss , I was around 10 yr when I first had an out of body experience (oobe) with no one to talk to or even give words to my experiences.
I doubt pll will be offended by your concerns but rather simper thetic.
To keep your secret of software ask the staff to delete your this thread and PM Adrain or email, talk directly and not pulicly to work this out because your daughter will get very embarrassed you  or her don't need this attention, arguement right now.
If your concerned as to what is in these forums just look around post questions without your daughters knowledge or reference to her.
Take care Minime

[Tisha]

Minime, welcome to the Forum. I am so sorry to hear that your daughter is having problems, and hope things will be better with your family soon.

It appears that your daughter has a genuine problem that needs to be addressed.  If my knowledge of law is worth anything (barely), it is my understanding that as a minor, she doesn't get to refuse the medical treatment her legal guardians want her to have. So regardless of the garlic and her opinions on natural healing, if you want to take her to the doctor or psychiatrist she has to go, kicking and screaming if need be.  You're the adult, you say what goes.

I'm checking with the other moderators to see if they've been helping you offline.  In the mean time, for what its worth, for as long as I've been a part of Astralpulse I've never been aware of ANY official policy pertaining to allopathic (conventional) medicines.  We do have a Healing section which is very new, where people post their ideas and questions about healing matters, and the focus is primarily on energy work.

The Astralpulse Forum is a place where people express their opinions on metaphysical issues, primarily out-of-body experiences (OBE).  It is possible that your daughter has read an opinion of an Astralpulse member and adopted it as her own.   I am sorry that you do not agree with the ideas presented on this Forum, but there are awful lot of people who DO believe in these ideas, and they have the right to congregate.

As a parent of an 11-year-old girl myself, I want to protect my daughter as much as I can, but I cannot protect her from other people's opinions unless I lock her up in her room like Rapunzel.  (which I've been tempted to do sometimes).  But as my daughter inches her way toward adulthood, she's going to develop her own opinions and theories, and I'll probably hate about half of them. I'm just going to have to get over it.

At Astralpulse, we work real hard to ensure that the rules of netiquette are observed.  No profanity, no porn, no abuse; therefore, as far as websites are concerned this one is better than most.  However, I understand your concerns about the ideas presented here, since you do not subscribe to these ideas.  If you want to refuse your daughter access to metaphysical websites, it is YOUR responsibility to keep her away from them.  It is not Astralpulse's responsibility to keep her (or any other curious 13 year old) out. I monitor my daughter's online activites VERY closely; so I know this is not easy, especially since she has a computer in her bedroom. She is welcome to visit metaphysical sites, since they are in accord with my ideals.  I am more worried about drugs, porn, and violence.

I hope this post finds your family in a better place, medically and emotionally speaking.  Best of luck to you.

[clandestino]

hi minime !

sorry to hear of your troubles. I was actually going to say just what Tisha said...

quote:it is my understanding that as a minor, she doesn't get to refuse the medical treatment her legal guardians want her to have.

I know this is true in the UK, I was guessing that its the case in the states too.

One more thing - there is currently a TV campaign underway in the UK to educate adults about the dangers of chatrooms & forums. It recommended keeping the internet-enabled computer in a family area, instead of in the child's bedroom. Also it encouraged parents / guardians to take an active (not just checking through parental software) interest in their kids' internet habits/chats...i.e. "who are you talking to at the mo". Though I'm sure you and most parents do this one already.

Anyway, have a good weekend.
best wishes
Mark

[minime]

Thank you all for your responses, actually I think Kromn (sp?) has a good idea, perhaps this thread should be eliminated to prevent her from seeing it and getting further upset.  How is this done, or is my stating this enough?
I am obviously very upset, here, she is "my life" and I love her so very much.  I want her to get medical treatment and to get help.
I get very angry and feel very helpless when it comes to the internet and influences that exist.
The person who made the remark that there are lots worse things my kid could be involved in is right, to some degree.
But, my kid has a twisted view on this stuff.  People can take any information and interpret it in any way.  Life sure isn't easy sometimes.

[Adrian]

Greetings minime,

I am very sorry to hear about your daughter's situation.

I have to agree with the vast majority of what has been said here by other members.

I am the administrator and operator of these forums. I have three sons myself aged 12, 11 and 10, and do not hesitate to allow any of them full and unrestricted access to the Astral Pulse.

All of the matters discussed here are very real and extremely important for reasons way beyond the scope of this particular topic, but which most members here will already fully appreciate.

I can tell you right now that no one here would advise against conventional medical treatment. Yes, holistic and other healing can be and often is extremely effective, much more so than conventional medicine because most illnesses do not have a physical origin. Having said that, I, and everyone here would still always recommend seeing a doctor or specialist with any remotely serious condition. There is no reason why your daughter should not take conventional medication under the guidance of a doctor and also use the methods of healing we discuss here. They are not mutually exclusive, and the objective is a full recovery.

I would like to suggest first of all that you and your daughter calmly and openly discuss her Astral Pulse involvement between yourselves, so you can relate to each others concerns. After that, I would like yourself and ideally your daughter to contact me either by sending a private message to "Adrian" or by email to adrian@astralpulse.com, and I will do whatever I can.

There is absolutely nothing to be gained by having a stand-off with your daughter over this. She needs your love and understanding, and to agree a route for full recovery.  

Do not despair, please proceed as I have suggested.

With kind regards,

Adrian.

[TruthSeeker]

Minime,

To start of I just want you to know that I am truely sorry about this issue. We that post here at this forum, are in no way responisble for your daughter's beliefs. If it makes things easier, look at this that we believe so firmly in as a religion. Christianity is a religion with many exellent ideas and many exellent persons have supported and built up this religion. However there are persons(in this illustrated case, priests) who follow a path that was not originally made. This is the path of misguidance and as you so exellently put it: "trying to get some kind of "rush" from being "the almighty" person".
Such a person is what your daughter may have come in contact with. Either that, or the fact that she may have interpreted it in her own way. We can not be responsible for what a thirteen years old girl thinks. Most uf us posting here at this forum are smart people who wishes to talk about what we experience, when the society we live in has chosen to "banish" it from general knowledge and "truth".

I believe I speak for most of us when I say we would never have reccomended your daughter to only rely on the theory of "negs" or energy manipulation. When serious physical injuries or problems arise, it must allways be dealt with by a professional doctor, and by him healed by approved and PROVED methods of healing. Tell this to your daugther, as I believe she will understand. I suspect that she is a very intelligent young woman, having found her way into this forum.

I must beg you not to judge us from what these "priests" have or have not told your daugther. You can not say what we believe is not true only because it has never happened to you. To those that things of "unnatural" and "supernatural" nature has happened to there is no doubt of its reality. You have every right being a "disbeliever", but do not tell us we are wrong. Keep your insulting thoughts to yourself, just as we do.
And as in defence to the very exellent Robert Bruce: I have read his books and they are very exellent IF read with a careful mind, as everything must be interpreted carefully. I say like the exellent Sir Francis Bacon: "Read not to contradict and confute, no to believe and take for granted, but to weigh and consider."
When you tell us to be responsible, I will go as far as to tell you the same. It's your daughter and you should be the able to reach her if you put enough effort in it. For it is worth it!

Very best wishes to you both, and I hope your daughter will heal allright to grow up and see "the bigger picture".

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Edited at 19:36 01+GMT

Adrians latest reply that came out a few minutes before I was done editing first version, was very exellent and gave a good reply. So feel free to ignore my perhaps too harsh reply.

Sincerely,

TruthSeeker

[Links Shadow]

Dear Minime,

I am sorry to hear of your daughter's ailments.  I am no parent in fact I am only 18 years old, but I believe having your daughter see this topic may not be a bad idea.  Have her read through this thread and maybe she will realize that people on this board believe it is a good idea to recieve medical treatment and not to only rely on energy.  It may be what she needs to help her let go of her beliefs.  If I were a parent I would rather have a child that hates me for prying in their life, I mean that is the job of a parent after all, than a child that refuses to see a doctor.  My parents would always keep an eye on what I was doing and at the time I hated them for it but now looking back, all I can say is that I greatly appreciate it.  I realize that they had my best interest at heart.  I am absolutely certain there are other people out there that can identify with me probably even you.  No matter what you do your daughter will always love you even if you take her to the doctor kicking and hollering.

I along with many other people that frequent the "healing" boards often recommend to go see a doctor before starting with energetic practices, because although energy is a powerful healer nothing can replace getting help from a physician.  Energy practices are meant to be a supplement and not a primary method of healing.

Like I said having her read this topic may be what she needs to realize seeing a doctor is a good idea.  Although again I reiterate that I am not a parent and you should take my advice on parenting with a grain of salt.

Best Regards,
Link's Shadow

[Nick]

Hi minime,

I'm on a lunch break from work and just now read through all these posts. I can only echo the sound advice and counsel given by Adrian, Tisha, and everyone else.

My heart is with you. Please know that there are many good people here. All wish you and your daughter the very best as you work through this difficult time.

Very best regards,

[beavis]

I doubt anybody here has told her that psychic stuff is a replacement for a doctor. She needs to understand that the kind of power required to physically heal a brain tumor or whatever she might have is RARE in a human. What she is getting into is real, but not very useful on earth.

[Treaty_Angel]

u can't access something u don't beleive in, im 12 turning 13. and im very aware. also u should tell here to take a rest. u can't be doing this to much at a time without rest at first...and second.

[minime]

Ok, this is a challenge for all of you.  I am a "disbeliever" in what you all are involved in.  I registered here, trying to find some understanding and perhaps intervene a bit.  If I am insulting to any of you, I apologize, but I am a worried parent.
I have a 13 year old daughter who is really "into" all of what you believe in.  She may have a very serious medical problem, possibly a brain tumor, etc.  She firmly believes in what you are telling her to the point where she won't cooperate and get the medical help she needs.  Her headaches and depression are almost making her suicidal and I am at my whits end as to why "people" are trying to "convince" her NOT to get medical help that could save her life and that she has some kind of "attached neg" that she needs to rid herself from in order to be well.
Don't you have some kind of diclaimer?  Don't you feel responsible for telling "kids" stuff that might lead them to hurt themselves and not seek medical help they need.
I shall await your responses and wait to be enlightened.
I do suggest that people perhaps give thought to the fact that a kid can be very impressionable and MAY really have some serious medical problem that needs attention.  Your advice COULD really affect this person's life.
Don't you tell people that they ought to seek medical advice and not get so wrapped up in this stuff that they think this is ALL there is to life and that they should really allow their parents to help them get medical attention instead of being considered "evil negative influences".
We are talking a kid's LIFE here.