Children of the Matrix - Sitchin

[Tab]

UH OH BANNED.

[Allanon]

The following I did not write but is a good summary of Sitchin and Raelin beliefs.

About 22,000 years ago aliens from another world had reached a very sophisticated level of technological
advancement. On their home planet they had been experimenting with the creation of life. The result of one
experiment was a creature that escaped and killed several of their people. So, they decided to find a planet
suitable for their experiments. They found earth and their experiments in DNA manipulation continued. They
created all life on earth, both plant and animal. In fact, some of the scientists created monstrous life forms
which are now known as dinosaurs. But ultimately, they created human beings who were "made in their image."
They grew in intelligence and knowledge.
But, the humans were kept in ignorance regarding advanced technical knowledge particularly how to prolong
their life spans (called the tree of knowledge of good and evil in the Bible) because some of the alien creators
thought that the humans shouldn't know too much lest they become dangerous. On the other hand, there was a
group of alien creators (called the serpent in the Bible) who thought that the humans should know as much as
possible. So, they helped the humans gain a great deal of knowledge. Unfortunately, this displeased the home
world government who then exiled these alien creators to earth for a period of time and sent the others home.
Nevertheless, when the humans learned that they had the capacity to be like their creators (be like God),
they realized they had been kept in ignorance and became angry. This upset the research and development on
earth even more. Therefore, their ability to gain more knowledge was stopped (kicked out of Eden) and alien
soldiers with atomic disintegration weapons guarded the entrance to the creators' residence (Tree of life) to
prevent human beings from getting more scientific knowledge.
But, later some of the aliens who were in exile on earth took for themselves wives among the human women
(Genesis 6). Their offspring were mighty and strong and desired to gain the same level of knowledge as their
creators. But this displeased the leaders on the home world who then decided to destroy all life on earth with
nuclear missiles. But the creators who had been exiled on earth heard of this plan and instructed Noah to build a
spaceship in which he could keep people from every race as well as all the genetic information, in cellular form,
safe (Noah's Ark). This is did and while the earth was destroyed by nuclear weapons (the flood was a giant tidal
wave resulting from the explosions), Noah hovered above the earth in his spaceship, preserving life. He then
landed after the radioactive levels had dissipated sufficiently to allow him to return to earth and reestablish life
on it. The creators eventually learned that the humans meant no harm to them, so the creators promised to
never again destroy the earth.
After the races were reestablished, the most intelligent of them, the Jews, built a space ship (The Tower of
Babel) in order to travel to the distant home world. But this frightened them. So, they took all of the most
intelligent of people and scattered them among primitive tribes so as to confound their language and prevent
further technological development.
From this point on, communication with the people on earth was kept to a minimum. The exiled creators
were allowed to return to their home world. But, the creators kept in contact with humans by sending them
different "prophets" at different times and places. These prophets (Abraham, Moses, Muhammad, Jesus, etc.),
were specially prepared by the creators to have abilities above those of normal humans.
A spaceship appeared to Moses to give him messages, to help him escape the oppression of more numerous
oppressive tribes who had not suffered the scattering of their people as had the Jewish people. Samson was a
telepathist and was instructed to not cut his hair because hair functions as antennae which aided telepathy. It
was through telepathy that the aliens kept in contact with and guided Samson. The Ark of the Covenant was a
small nuclear device. Jonah's great fish was a submarine. Women with flying suits appeared to Zechariah.
Ultimately, the aliens will return to earth and reveal themselves as the true creators of life on earth, establish
a one world government, one language, and one currency. But, earth isn't the only place where life was created.
In fact, there were three worlds. "Of the three worlds where life has been created, the one which makes the most
progress will receive the inheritance. The ones which have not progressed, will be dominated by the other, and
eliminated. This is also true on Earth between nations," (Rael, Claude Vorilhon, The Message give by
Extra-Terrestrials: At last science replaces religion, (Canada: The Raelian Foundation), 2001, p. 6.

[no_leaf_clover]

I didn't bother reading the second post. The first paragraph, along with the first post, showed me how completely ignorant Allanon really is when it comes to ancient history and Sitchin's work, and surprisingly, his Bible didn't make up for his ignorance with a random quotation that could be twisted to the situation. I don't know much about the Raelian's, or even if that's how you spell it, but Sitchin's work has nothing to do with what little I read of that second post. Complete and utter bovine excrement to say that it's what Sitchin claims.

quote:It is especially cute how they switch Enlil and Enkir or in other words switch Christ and Satan and say that Satan is really looking out for our freedom. Go Sumerians!!! Just because it was recorded BEFORE the time of the Bible does not mean it is more VALID. Fallen angels exist outside of space/time and KNEW the plan of Salvation from the beginning.

The Sumerians had no equivalent of Christ or Satan. The ideas of the snake in the Garden of Eden and the garden itself originate from Sumeria, but that's as close as it comes. There was no big red bad guy, no 'hell' (though there was an underworld that was later transformed into Greek mythology and later into the Christian idea of Hell, which was also inspired by the fictional Italian epic 'The Divine Comedy' by Dante), and there was no God. How can there be opposition to God (which is really all that Satan is) when they didn't even have a God in the first place? I guess you'll tell me that there wasn't God because Satan succeeded, or some BS like that, right? Satan or a similar character simply does not exist in any Sumerian texts. Saying Christ is depicted in Sumerian tales just shows how completely ignorant on the subject you really are, Allanon.. Completely ridiculous.

quote:To all Sitchin fans out there... Dont buy this sad story that you are nothing more than a slave to aliens.

If you've read even the first book in the series, you'd know that primitive men were used as workers for an extremely short period of time. When we were genetically altered, we instantly became much smarter and picked up quickly on the civilization ran by the Annunaki, so they did the humane thing and gave us permanent freedom. I'll agree that it wasn't right for them to use us as workers in the first place, but this was tens of thousands of years ago, and I'm sure that if they all had bad intentions, we wouldn't have survived the flood as a race. They're a friendly race. We are now most obviously an independant race, and if you are following Mayatnik's posts, you'll have heard that we may be about to have a much more important role in the galaxy.

Allanon, you are shooting blindly. You obviously have a limited knowledge of ancient history, or at least Sumerian history, and you know absolutely nothing of Sitchin's work, but yet you automatically go to shoot it down. Why? What keeps you so close-minded that you try to shoot something down without knowing what exactly you are talking about? Read the books. Read a book (whole book, not 10 or 12 pages!).

Zecharia Sitchin isn't trying to deceive anyone. In fact, he is Jewish, but you will not find one instance in his books where he tries to pressure you into becoming Jewish. He writes his information as scientifically as possible. I wish someone else would follow his example.. cough cough... Allanon.. cough...

[Allanon]

quote:I didn't bother reading the second post. The first paragraph, along with the first post, showed me how completely ignorant Allanon really is when it comes to ancient history and Sitchin's work, and surprisingly, his Bible didn't make up for his ignorance with a random quotation that could be twisted to the situation. I don't know much about the Raelian's, or even if that's how you spell it, but Sitchin's work has nothing to do with what little I read of that second post. Complete and utter bovine excrement to say that it's what Sitchin claims.

READ THE SECOND POST FIRST AND THEN TELL ME I DONT UNDERSTAND SITCHINS LIES

[no_leaf_clover]

The whole post is off. []

The second post has nothing to do with Sitchin's work, but don't guess I can blame you for not knowing that, considering you haven't read any of his work anyway.

[Allanon]

http://www.crystalinks.com/sitchen.html

From what I have seen Sitchin is just rehashing the old "Sumerians first, Sumerians Right" approach on things. In my second post here I do not see how this is conflicting with his writings, He believes we are created by aliens and they may come back, or may not. It is another example of Satan's handywork as he attempts to discredit Biblical inerrancy.

[no_leaf_clover]

Providing a link doesn't mean squat. You just read over a summary of his work that lists no details or evidence. What someone else thinks should mean jack hoo-ha to you unless they have evidence or you have personal experiences that allow you to relate to that person's ideas. That site has no real amount of evidence, no experiences are provided, etc.

Say you are back in time a couple centuries ago. The Christian Church used to say that the Earth was the center of the universe, and if you said otherwise and stuck to that opinion, they'd just kill you. Say, for the sake of argument, that they actually believed that the Earth was the center of the universe (as someone did when they wrote that part of the Bible) and weren't just trying to defend the Bible. They could shoot you all kinds of things like what you are saying now, Allanon. It's Satan's deceptions that make you think there is more to the universe than what we see.. It's Satan's deceptions that tell us that we are NOT the center of God's creation. But try to argue that today. We have been into space, and we have studied the celestial bodies in our solar system. Moral of the story: Satan's deceptions aren't the only explanation sometimes, and some of the ideas the church has stood for in the past have been totally destroyed by modern science as man's knowledge of the universe expands.

You haven't even read the works we're talking about. You read online summaries that exclude all the real evidence, and then tell us this Satan deceives . If you read the books, and then come back and still tell us Satan deceives, well, I guess that's fair enough, and you can believe what you will, but you haven't even given the theories a chance to be presented in a reasonable fashion. That's just close-mindedness, as plain as it can be. You simply refuse to give new concepts a single thought. When something comes along that doesn't already fit into your belief system, rather than looking at it with an open mind, you just want to dispell it before it has a chance to change your beliefs. This type of mental conditioning isn't healthy for your spiritual journey, whatever that may be.

If you really believe what you say, then you should see now harm in humoring us by reading our Satanic books. You are protected by God, right? Look at it as a way of being better-prepared to dismiss our ideas, if you have to.

[Fat_Turkey]

Stop trying to convert people dammit. Why do you think this whole hindu-muslim conflict has been going for decades? Because they both think they're right. Screw this religious crap. All Clover is doing is presenting some pretty amazing theories and beliefs. A belief is a belief. I mean, some churches brand OBE as evil.

You may see Sitchin as lies. You may even see him as dillusional. But then just leave him to have his delusions. People have different beliefs. Get over it.

!FT

[Tab]

uhh the hindus and the muslims don't fight dude that's the jews and the muslims. HUGE difference.

[Fat_Turkey]

Hindus and Muslims fight too. We got an Indian guy at school who complains about muslims all the time. There's been a conflict there for a quite a while. Muslims trying to mass-convert Hindus and Hindus just wanting to be left alone.

Muslims seem to be fighting with everyone these days though. Christians too.

Later
~FT

[Allanon]

Clover- I am not sure if you know these works but here they are......

The Children of the Matrix
Mushrooms and Mankind

I have read those and from what I gathered it is basically what Sitchin says. I would be interested with a little more in depth summary of the "belief" of Sitchin but I really dont think it is much different than all the other writers who believe the Sumerians had Objective Truth.

Believe that you are nothing more than a gentic experiment that is fine. You just have to ask yourself why dont I just believe I am a child of the Light and follow a God that loves me so much He gave His own life? Jesus is going to surprise everybody when He shows up and no reptilian alien scientists are going to stop Him!!!

[MJ-12]

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[Fat_Turkey]

Again Allanon, stop converting. It's getting annoying. Jesus this, Jesus that, I hear it every tuesday, thursday, and sunday at school because I am forced to. The only thing I have to say is - Time will tell. Stop preaching that you know what will happen and just relax and do something else in the meantime.

~FT

[no_leaf_clover]

quote:I have read those and from what I gathered it is basically what Sitchin says.

How on Earth would you know? Once again, you have not read any of Sitchin's work.

Call the genetic altering what you will, but without it, you wouldn't be here posting on this message board. You'd be out living in a cave somewhere, killing animals for food and grunting to your tribe. If during human evolution we continued the slow evolutionary path that led to the Neanderthal, we would still be living in caves. It was the sudden appearance of Cro-Magnon, a completely new species from the same ancestor as the Neanderthals had, that started our quest for knowledge.

quote:Jesus is going to surprise everybody when He shows up and no reptilian alien scientists are going to stop Him!!!

Believe it or not, Jesus of Nazareth is dead. There is no evidence that he was ever resurrected after dying. To the contrary, there is evidence that he didn't even die on the cross, but lived to father children that would become European kings. Have you heard about the statue and paperwork that were found in old European church cellars that showed Jesus holding a newly born baby? The items disappeared shortly after being announced, and the man who found them is now living in a mansion and is rarely heard of. That's from a TV documentary on Jesus's supposed death.

And also, Sitchin's work never mentions reptilians..

[Allanon]

quote:So when this Jesus returns again, how will you know it's him?

22Then he said to his disciples, "The time is coming when you will long to see one of the days of the Son of Man, but you will not see it. 23Men will tell you, 'There he is!' or 'Here he is!' Do not go running off after them. 24For the Son of Man in his day[3] will be like the lightning, which flashes and lights up the sky from one end to the other. 25But first he must suffer many things and be rejected by this generation.

[Squeek]

The bible does not have all the answers in life allanon....For all you know those little people that say that are right.  Anything predicted in the future has no basis of reliability...  ESPECIALLY this book on accounts from 2000 years ago.

Anybody could be anybody, you just gotta say it with a little bit of proof.  I'm sure it'd take about an hour of research online to fully imitate him...mmkay?  

Anyway... I'm seriously done talking to ya.  So anything you say in reply to me, I won't read.  I'm just trying to get you to see things from maybe 1 different perspective.  

The bible is just a book, it isnt a reference on how to life YOUR life.

~Squeek

[MJ-12]

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[Allanon]

quote:With today's technology, those Biblical verses can be fakes very easily by a group of people who are dedicated and ruthless enough.

So I ask again, how will you know it's Jesus? Or will you sell your soul to the first entity that appears on the planet with flashy powers? I wonder, if this "Jesus" asks you personally to help him "judge" the unfaithful, will you start goosestepping right away, or at least think about it for a few minutes?

MJ-12....

God is all powerful and would not allow the evils of men to currupt His Word.

When Jesus comes you will know Him because He created you. It will be like looking at your Father for the first time. You will know it in your heart and you will know it because reality will cease as you know it.

Have Faith Brother.

[MJ-12]

nm,

[Allanon]

This post by Allanon has been deleted as it was one of 6 replicas of a post originally submitted by Chill in topic -
Be warned: The spirit-war is well underway...

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=6894&whichpage=2

Regards
James.

[Sentient Storm]

Deuteronomy
chapter 32


7 Think back on the days of old, reflect on the years of age upon
age. Ask your father and he will inform you, ask your elders and they
will tell you:

8 When the Most High assigned the nations their heritage, when he
parceled out the descendants of Adam, He set up the boundaries of the
peoples after the number of the sons of God;

9 While the LORD'S own portion was Jacob, His hereditary share was
Israel.

10 He found them in a wilderness, a wasteland of howling desert. He
shielded them and cared for them, guarding them as the apple of his
eye.

11 As an eagle incites its nestlings forth by hovering over its
brood, So he spread his wings to receive them and bore them up on his
pinions.

12 The LORD alone was their leader, no strange god was with him.

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Beyond doubt all books of the Bible have been heavily edited, with
these edits and alterations and omissions being more prevalent in the
Torah (old testament) simply as a result of the influence ot time
(and many hands on the writings in that time interval, with each of
these hands motivated by having subjective interpretations and
beliefs of what their overall intent and meaning actually was.) Also,
much was edited, restructured and removed from the Bible itself at
the Counsel of Nicea and elsewhere. The restructuring of the faith
also occured in such bloody conflicts as Pope Innocent III's brutal
thirty-five-year military assault against the albigens ("Pure Ones")
known as the Albigensian Crusades.

The undeniable liklihood of editings done for a purpose is also
inherent in examining the Jewish faith because the earliest Hebrew
writings (which were rehashed many centuries later) were themselves
only written between the 6th and the 1st centuries BC, so they were
not likely to be that authentic in their telling of history from
thousands of years before. Indeed, it is likely that when these very
earliest books were first constituted in written form, their express
purpose was to convey a history which upheld the principles of the
Jewish faith - a faith that did not emerge until well into the
ancestral story.

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These editings and restructurings are known, historical facts but
also are quite evident in the Bible itself:

For example, in the Old Testament neither the "Book of Jubilees" nor
the "Book of Enoch" were included.

Also despite being reference in both the books of Joshua and Samuel.
the Book of Jesher was nowhere included in the Old despite despite
this clear importance to the Hebrew writers.

Two other works are also cited in the Bible. The Book of Numbers
draws our attention to the "Book of The Wars of Jehovah". And in the
Book of Isaiah we are directed towards the "Book of the Lord". What
are these books? WHERE are these books? Despite other uncertainties
the differentiation between "Jehovah and "The Lord" is quite evident
in their titles.


Beyond doubt the disparate tribes of Isreal once had numerous gods
which they worshipped. One of these, the eastern Akkadians
worshipped "Baal" who in their tongue literally meant "Lord". In my
above references I touch on the link of "Baal" to "Baal-zebub" or
beelzebub, with the origin of the aramaic word "zebub" meaning "to
flt about from place to place" with then entire word meaning "Lord
of the Heavens/Skies" or "Lord of Flight". It was statues erected to
this Baal that led to the edict of no craven idols. Curiously this
edict was overlooked in the creating of the arc of the covenant with
its golden seraphim atop (but this is another discussion). Curiously
the jews were led into slavery to break their devotion to this Baal
and then later led for "two years" in the desert to, perhaps, break
their spirits and build their dependency upon this other. The Bible
explains that Jerusalem was overthrown at Jehovah's bidding and tens
of thousands of Jews were taken into Babylonian captivity simply
because their King (a descendant of King David) had erected altars in
veneration of Baal, the Adon. It was during the course of this
captivity that the Israelites weakened and finally conceded. To my
mind this is an awfully large inclination to follow one god and a
disinclination to follow another.

Is it not possible that this 'disassembled" picture of God seen in
the Old Testament, sometimes vengeful and sometimes caring for
mankind, could this seeming schizophrenia be the result of trying to
unify two seperate beings' behaviors into one and truly "two become
one"? This dichotomy and even seeming schizophrenia of action and
character is seen throughout the Bible. It is seen when Cain is on
one hand cast out and then a "mark" us put apon him and vengence is
sworn seven fold on any who would harm Cain. Some would explain this
as Cain being born of "the Lord and Eve" and not actually being
Adam's offspring, which is supported by direct translations of the
text. In fact the lines from both Cain and Seth show a curious
scrambling with each line having the _exact_ same names yet only in a
different order. Is this similarity in lineage demonstrating a
deliberate desire to disguise the origin of the line described in the
Bible?

Also this dichotomy is suggested by God swearing to wipe the earth of
mankind, leading the the flood of Noah. Once again it is the Lord who
steps up and warns Noah and indicates how to survive this
catastrophe. This duality is even supported by the seperate and
likely pre-existing Sumerian tale of the flood in the epic of
creation, Enuma Elish. In the Enuma Elish it is Enki who warms
Ziusudra (Noah) of the flood and indicates how to build the ark.

Perhaps the tie to Noah and Ziusudra is just a common cross-cultural
mythos of a flood, and yet perhaps there is more there. As I indicate in the "Two Become One?" discussions, the continuity of the namings and epithets of these two beings across cultures and centuries coincides too closely to be mere coincidence:
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To define who these two beings might be, we must look no further than
where these gods were actually operative, and the old Canaanite texts
(discovered in Syria in the 1920s) tell us that their courts were in
the Tigris-Euphrates valley in Mesopotamia, in the Sumerian Eden
delta of the Persian Gulf. In tracing these ancient Sumerian records
back to about 3700 B.C. we discover that these two gods were
brothers. In Sumer, the storm god who eventually became known as
Jehovah was called 'Enlil' or 'Ilu-kur-gal' (meaning 'Ruler of the
Mountain'), and his brother, who became Adon, the Lord, was
called 'Enki'. To the Canaanites, these gods were respectively
called 'El Elyon' and 'Baal' - which meant precisely the same things
('Lofty Mountain' and 'Lord'). In different cultures they have been
known as 'El Elyon' and 'Baal'; 'El Shaddai' and 'Adon'; 'Arhiman'
and 'Mazda'; 'Jehovah' and 'Lord'; 'God' and 'Father'.

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We even see this differentiation betweeen "Most High" (quite similar
to "Lofty Mountain") and "The Lord" in Deuteronomy 32 in a transition
from verse 8 to verse 9.


Ultimately even the Bible itself points to this duality in not just
what is present within the Bible but what is ABSENT FROM the Bible
too. The missing books "Book of The Wars of Jehovah and the "Book of
the Lord" are referenced by The Book of Numbers and the Book of
Isaiah, respectively. What are these books? WHERE are these books?
And Why are these books absent from the Bible despite their obvious
importance to Biblical authors in referencing them?

There is one more question stemming from these books absence: "Could
the 'Book of the Wars of Jehovah' actually be about Enlil overcoming
Enki (the friend of man) and does this explain the jews' reluctance
to accept this god as their own?"

Ultimately, all of these incongruities should make us question not
only what is written in the Bible but just how far removed man is
from "God". After all, both Deut. 32 and Psalm 58 clearly recognize
numerous other gods and indicate these gods were partitioned
governance over portions of mankind. Also keep in mind in Genesis it
was "sons of God" who saw the daugters of man to be appealing and did
bear offspring with them. Incidentally, the Book of Enoch shows
clearly these offspring were cherished by these "watchers" as
numerous appeals were made through Enoch to save their offspring's
lives. These are not just cold, calculating deceptive "demons" and,
in fact, nowhere in the Old Testament nor the Book of Enoch is there
ANY EVIDENCE whatsoever of any to become represented as the "Devil"
nor one who was at God's "right hand" and then betrayed him; this is
all "spin" done by the church and organized religion to convey that
there was only "one god", the truth being that the Victor wrote the
history.

But even more curious is Genesis 3:22 which echoes God's own
sentiments on Adam (man) having eaten from the fruit of the tree of
knowledge:

quote:
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And the LORD God said, Behold, the MAN HAS BECOME AS ONE OF US, to
know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take
also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever ...
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Here God confirms that the "serpent" was good at his word and man did
indeed acquire the "knowledge of good and evil"(self awareness?
control of his own destiny?) Is this 'serpent" actually Enki and is
something more being descrived here than eating the fruit of trees?
In fact much of the Bible from the story of Eden to the flood of Noah
is clearly about controling man's very genetics, with the flood of
Noah perhaps being intended to wipe the genes of the "sons of God"
from mankind's genetic heritage.

Again, how far removed can we be from this God or gods?

[Sentient Storm]

quote:Originally posted by Allanon



God is all powerful and would not allow the evils of men to currupt His Word.

When Jesus comes you will know Him because He created you. It will be like looking at your Father for the first time. You will know it in your heart and you will know it because reality will cease as you know it.

Have Faith Brother.

Let me tell you something "brother", the beliefs you tailor your own life by are founded in pure FANTASY. They avertly  and visibly polarizations of mental antitheses, good verses evil, light verses darkness. As such in reality and in the world you KNOW they have no place: they are not real, they are not accurate and they are FABRICATIONS of man done to simplify the complexities of LIFE.

You speak of Jesus as if you know him, but you do not. You speak of him only in the vein of how he matters to YOUR life.  I have no doubt that you define yourself as a "born again christian" with this, your own, definition being based on THE CHRIST giving his life in order to compensate for YOUR sins and those of your forefathers and, indeed, all mankind.  Yet in truth IF Christ's life mattered a whit, it was what he did IN LIFE and what he stood for and NOT his death, AND YET it is by the death that you "born again" christians would define yourselves! But Christs life, as you would define it, is the end of that life on the cross and his resurrection. THereby the Father and son and Holy Ghost have compensated for YOUR and "our" sins. Yet this life is far more than the death.

The fact of the matter is that the concept of the "Trinity" was derived at by MAN's corrupt standards and through much blood and loss of life.  

What about the very doctrine of the "Trinity" itself?  The doctrine of the Trinity came into "acceptance" from a loaded, corrupt VOTE under Constantine at the Counsel of Nicea and was done in order to remove bloodshed and turmoil under Constantine, who himself was not even a Christian! The doctine of the "Trinity" was man's POLITICS and had nothing to do with REALITY nor spirituality nor the turth of our very SOULS!

Reference: "The Trinity Doctrin/Dogma Exposed "
http://www.angelfire.com/pa/greywlf/trinity.html

Finally, it is a known historcial fact that these same Jews "lost" a number of Books entirely and had to go to the Greeks and Romans to retrieve these. In the larger picture, the rise of the Holy Roman Empire with its combination of the religious and secular kingship and power led to further motive for the Bible's books to be altered and edited. It is no matter of mere coincidence that the Holy Roman Empire reserved the rite to recognize and empower kinships, with the source of "kingship" and origin of the term being originally in the line of Cain (cain-ship), identifying a direct line with the Lord. While these "lost" books recovered from the Greeks and Romans have no conflicting documents to undermine them, this is not a testament to the fact these are the "unaltered word of God."

Ultimately the "reality" that you choose to project does not exist and has NEVER EVISTED and is more a fabrication of your DESIRE and NEED than it is of anything having to do with realities which you will ever known in this or any future. Man has currutped not only the "word of god' and what he represented, "God" himself, but also the very ORIGIN of our existance and WHO and WHAT we *ARE*!

[Ybom]

I have a need to post here, so I did.

This post, like many others, has been posted by a nick, Ybom, and this post exists! Behold!

Now, Allanon's posts also exist in the exact same way. His words have been edited even, yet his name still stands. His sources exist as well, and he went to them for guidance. There is no problem with his thinking, because it is his and no one elses. However, Allanon imposes his english text on you about as much as everyone else imposes their english text on him, with almost if not equal emotion and spite.

Can we resolve this in another way than resorting to YELLING?

[Sentient Storm]

quote:Originally posted by Ybom

 Can we resolve this in another way than resorting to YELLING?

Who is "yelling" here? Surely not me. Perhaps you mistake my capitalizations used for emphasis for the internet standardization of "yelling" That would be silly, of course: just try reading my previous post aloud and yell at each capitalized word.



The Hidden Name Of God

"I am yhwh, that is my name"
(Leviticus 19.12, 22.2; Isaiah 42.8; Jeremiah 16.21, et al)

The Genesis story tells us that, after some years spent with Jethro and his tribe, Moses was tending his flock one day when he spotted a glowing light far up the mountain slope. Upon reaching the source of the glow, he found a burning bush from which the voice of the god Yahweh (Jehovah) emanated. Naturally Moses asked the voice who he was. The famous and puzzling response was 'I am who I am' . This single cryptic sentence has been analysed and debated for centuries. What does it mean? A new explanation has now come to light which appears to reveal the earliest and previously hidden name of the Hebrew god.

Sumerian literature identifies the god who warns Noah of the impending flood as Enki, the same deity whose temple was located at Eridu. Enki's Akkadian (East Semitic) name was Ea (pronounced Eya). The Hittites referred to him simply as Ya.

If we translate the mysterious 'I am who I am' of Exodus 3:14 back into Hebrew we discover perhaps the most remarkable of all biblical plays on words. What Moses heard was 'eya(h) asher eya(h)'  - the 'h's are silent. This does indeed mean 'I am who I am' but it can also be translated as 'I am the one who is called Eya' . This gives a whole new meaning to God's subsequent instruction to Moses.

When the exiled prince of Egypt says 'Behold, if I go to the Israelites and say to them, "The god of your ancestors has sent me to you," and they say to me, "What is his name?", what am I to tell them?'  the reply from the burning bush is: 'This is what you are to say to the Israelites, "Eya (not 'I am') has sent me to you". You are to tell the Israelites, "Yahweh, the god of your ancestors, the god of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob has sent me to you." This is my name for all time and in this way I am to be invoked for all generations to come.' Yahweh was, from that moment, to become the new name of the Mesopotamian deity whose original Semitic name was Eya.

The god of the Hebrew ancestors can thus be traced back to a great Sumerian deity with many epithets: the 'friend of Man', the 'clever god', the god of the sweet waters and the watery Abyss, but whose most important title was Enki, the 'Lord of the Earth'...



...and also Enki is the ONE specifically named to have warned Noah (Ziusudra) about the flood and provided directions as to how to build the Ark in the Sumerian epic of creation, "Enuma Elish",...

... a document that predates all of the original Biblical text and likely the source of the origin of creation in Genesis.

[Allanon]

I have heard many here suggest I read Sitchin. Well let me just say that this is one of the great deceptions of the fallen angels. It is true that we are under the control of an evil transdimensional force that is always one step ahead of us. BUT THEY DID NOT CREATE US. Whatever "historical" and "biological" evidence that is used by these decievers is not in congruence with the Truth.

It is especially cute how they switch Enlil and Enkir or in other words switch Christ and Satan and say that Satan is really looking out for our freedom. Go Sumerians!!! Just because it was recorded BEFORE the time of the Bible does not mean it is more VALID. Fallen angels exist outside of space/time and KNEW the plan of Salvation from the beginning.

To all Sitchin fans out there... Dont buy this sad story that you are nothing more than a slave to aliens. You are a child of the Light and the Shepherd is coming to restore His flock to Glory.


If you really believe this deception a good book for you to read is The Children of the Matrix which pretty much is Sitchin's style.
Here is the link.

http://search.barnesandnoble.com/bookSearch/isbnInquiry.asp?sourceid=00404493848650801059&ISBN=0953881016&bfdate=08-31-2003+04:12:51&popup=0&bfinfo=Children_of_the_Matrix