And the truth shall be known - You'll see !

[h2owong]

Ok, I must admit that I fail to follow the whole thread.  So I just write down what I think.

If there is good, there will be bad.  If there is Angel, there will be devil.  Alien should both have good and bad.  The problem is who is who.

Within cyberspace, everything is base on information.  People will simplify to "source of information".  No matter you are human or alien, there is no different.  What important is the information you give out.  Every source of information need to earn their credibility by the accuracy of what they have given out before.  When information cannot be test immediately, credibility is considered to decide whether to trust the information or not.

The information that Zeta give out by now all cannot be proves or disprove.  Pole shift~ only time can tell.  Abduction~ 1/1,000,000 to have the chance to have a try.
Since information that Zeta give out cannot be prove by now, and their credibility hasn't build up yet.  Trusting the information totally is not a good idea.  

Instead of all those big secrets.  I would to see more useful information.  Information that normal human can work on.  Like   energy body development, nature of Astral Plane, earth history, etc.

Thanks

[Adrian]

Greetings Novice,

First of all, reasoned debate and question is not stirring up trouble; they are some of the reasons these forums exist. Please do not be influenced by what happened to "goingslow", he overstepped all boundaries of what is acceptable on these forums in the space of two posts. It is extremely important these questions are asked and answers provided. This is one reason I very much welcome these contacts with the Zeta. We can only guess as to the answers, the Zeta can provide answers when asked in a Spirit of cooperation. I would like to organise things here so all transcripts of communications with the Zeta are in context and in chronological order.

With regards to your question:

quote:Originally posted by Novice

Adrian-
I agree with your entire post, except for the last few sentences. To me, technological advancement does not necessarily mean spiritual advancement. So, in theory, they could be at the same spiritual evolution as humanity, but simply much further advanced technologically speaking.

But I get your point, not trying to stir up trouble!

I certainly agree with you in principle. However, even mankind is beginning the Spiritual ascent slowly but surely. There are increasingly more "Ascended" humans in the higher/inner spheres, lower densities who, through hard work upon themselves have progressed beyond the cycle of incarnation and now assist mankind. If this progress is extrapolated forward a few millions of years, one would think a large proportion of the race will have "Ascended". Of course, we have no real concept of the entire scale of things. We know we have been evolving for several millions of years and the average human has achieved a state of development equivalent to the fourth level of the plane of the human mind out of seven. The most advanced are into the fifth plane, with the most advanced, the adepts and Masters the sixth and seventh planes and even beyond. This is the destiny of all mankind, to achieve these levels and beyond. What we d not know is when the process comes to an end on Earth, i.e. when new Spirits are no longer incarnating for the first step on the path. Maybe it is an infinite process but I don't think so; there must come a time when the physical planet has outserved it's usefulness, and it is possible this might even happen at the time of the pole shift.

The point is, The Zeta Reticulans, Pleiadians have followed exactly the same path but are millions of years ahead in temporal terms. It is logical to assume therefore much of their race must be highly advanced upon the path. The question therefore is are the Zeta in physical incarnation in order to operate in the physical Universe, or is their race still in the same cycle as Earth but millions of years on? Either way, there must be many highly advanced Zeta in the lower densities, higher vibrations, equivalent to our Celestial or Cosmic planes, who are guiding the ascent of their own and other races. So yes, your question is valid, physical development does not necessarily equate to Spiritual development, but with respect to the Zeta in communication here, we simply do not know the answers to this question.

Thank you Edi for your recent questions and answers with the Zeta.

With best regards,

Adrian.

[clandestino]

Hi there Edi ! hope you are well.

quote:E: But you do tell the truth? What about May 15th on Zetatalk?
Z: We invite everyone to find out by himself why this specific date was given. We give a little hint: everything is on the Zetatalk site. Combined with common sense (again) you will gain a bigger picture.

Have you looked at the zetatalk site to gain more understanding on this issue ? I admit that I know little about the subject matter within this thread, so I'm not really in a position to find out for myself. But this particular point does interest me.

Kind regards,
Mark

[Adrian]

Greetings,

The best place to look for the latest information in view of the non-appearance of Niburu on May 15 is on the "What's new" pages of Zeta Talk:

http://www.zetatalk.com/index/z03.htm

This post of 23 May on ZetaTalk, seven days after the non-appearance might provide some clues:

As can be seen from the actions of the US and Indonesian governments scant days ahead of and continuing after our announced date of May 15, 2003, they fully intend to harm hundred of millions of their citizens through martial law, declared such in Indonesia and called terrorism level Red by Homeland Security. What is martial law, if not ordering citizens to remain in their homes? What effect does this have on citizens about within cities where buildings will tumble and crush them, or along coast or in lowlands sure to be inundated by tidal waves? Death, injury with no rescue, and massive dieoff. Is this the intent of those in command in those governments, sworn to protect their citizens and collecting taxes to this end? There can be no doubt, and one has only to read the actions of these governments to ascertain this.

Why did we allow Nancy, who has labored though the mine field and put herself at risk with ZetaTalk, to be so humiliated as to announce to a broad audience live radio show very specific dates, which were promptly missed? At a time when Planet X is so close as to be competing with the Sun at noon, visible by the unaided eye, and well tracked to this point by many sunrise and sunset sightings and photos, in the manner and in the time frame we predicted, and at a time when earthquakes have increased to the point, as we predicted, to being noticeable, affecting population centers so they cannot be denied by underreporting in the quake databases, the bad dates stand as an exception. And what is the effect of this gambit, an acknowledged white lie on our part, on those in the US and Indonesian governments who would murder their citizens by the hundreds of millions?

They cannot closely coordinate blocking a city for a specific date and time, thus having to either order a perpetual state of readiness or be prepared to muster a quick blockade, neither workable.
They must either share the true agenda with numerous local agencies, in order to have cooperation for a quick muster, or anticipate failure when calling a sudden and unplanned blockage.
Local agencies would be sympathetic to the local populace and rebellion would likely ensue.
A perpetual state of readiness requires agencies to be focused only on exercises, and not distracted from their regular work, and any natural disaster ensuing would shatter this state.
Natural disasters such as imploding buildings in the stretch zone, or strong quakes or volcanoes in compression zones, would divert resources from the ready status waiting to blockade cities.
The governments increasingly have to explain the perpetual state of readiness, constant exercises, in the face of a lack of actual terrorism, thus losing credibility among those required to carry out a blockade.
Incidences of natural disasters, and increasing visibility of Planet X, change the focus from tearooms to natural disaster and thus an order to remain in their homes would seem inappropriate to citizens, who would rebel.
And what is the effect on the common man, being denied even at this late date any honest information on what is about to devastate their lives?

For those waiting for an undeniable sight that the earth changes we have predicted, rotation stoppage followed by red dusting will be that undeniable sign, and any announced date ignored until such signs are evident.
For those wanting to leave for a safe location ahead of rotation stoppage, but having ties to their ordinary life and obligations, rapid earth changes such as earthquakes and volcanic eruptions, as well as a perceptible slowing of rotation, will be their clue, regardless of published dates which are not palpable.
For those who have made very early changes in their lives, moving to safe locations and settling in there, an exact date is not crucial.
For the vast majority of mankind who has not even heard of a possible pole shift, announcing dates is irrelevant.
For the large portion of humanity who cannot move to safe locations or make changes in their lives, as their lives are a struggle for subsistence on a daily basis, announced dates are irrelevant.
For those who are traveling, for work or pleasure, they have chosen to be out and about at this time, or to place themselves in such a position by their employment choice, and thus are not taking the message seriously, nor would they despite any announced dates.
Thus, an announced date, where it would be convenient, does not change the outcome of preparation for the common man, where it would greatly be used by those who would murder their citizens, or take advantage of others, and thus we decline to give any dates. Watching the earth changes, and the behavior of those in the corridors of power, will be the best clues.

[Novice]

Adrian-
After I posted my last response, I though I may have umintentionally implied the wrong thing, and I did from your response. The "not trying to stir up trouble" was meant as a joke, light comment. I was not referencing recent events with Goingslow. Although I have been reading numerous threads and feel thatI should state here. That was in no way meant as a criticism to you. I've only been here a short while and have read a number of threads. I would not presume to criticize you for your actions in recent days. Although many have questionned them, just as many have supported them.

The problem is, that no matter what issues are involved, everyone will have a different opinion and varying thresholds of leniency/tolerance. But the reality is that you are the one who holds the responsibility for maintaining the forum. I haven't seen anything to indicate that you run it as a dictator (if you don't like what I say, then you are banned) nor do I think you let people run rampant over other's feelings/opinions with disregard for both. You do your best to maintain both free speech/opinion tempered with respect for each other.

I don't want to say that I support your decision, because I personally feel that's a bit condescending. You are an adult and the administrator and don't need my approval for your actions. However, I do completely understand your reasoning and agree that your decision was probably for the best for a majority, although not all, people on this forum. But no matter what you decide, never will EVERYONE be happy with the result. So don't second guess yourself. I think you are doing a wonderful job.

Now, to the point we are discussing here, re the Zeta. I understand what you and Soulfire are stating. I guess my only hesitation is that while logic/untuition would suggest that they are spiritually more advanced. There is also the possibility that they are not. My only suggestion is that we be aware of both. Not be blindly open to everything they say, but rather take what they say with some caution and common sense. I personally am leaning towards your position regarding their intentions. But I've always been a bit on the cautious side. So I remain open and optimistic, but I don't follow blindly. Hope that clarifies things a bit.

[Kazbadan]

Hi Adrian, you poested
"and increasing visibility of Planet X"

what does that mean? Planet X isn´t the one placed about 1/3 of distance between Sun and Oort Cloud (1 year light from us - the place where  comets "born"?

What news do you have about planet X. I´m interested on that topic.

For ED: i have a question for you: since aliens don´t want to show up to humans (has you say in you conversation with Zetas) why do they appear many times to people? There are many cases in wich massive numbers of people see ufos. Even in my city at 30 years ago there was a case in wich many people saw ufos. They could make a little appearance on my city , proofing at leats to me and to some more people their true nature.

What about Fatima?! Fatima is one place in Portugal wich is believed that Maria (Jesus Mother) has showed up to 3 lttle shepards and some time after, appeared to 50000 people. But there are many evidences that it was an ufo phenomenon. What say about this? Why did they do that (the appearence)?

[Novice]

I've got a question for anyone communicating with these beings right now. Has anyone communicated with beings other than Pleadian (sp?), Zeta and Arcturian? I'm a bit confused (still) about my 'source' of information.

It originally said it was my higher self responding. And answered this when asked many times. Lately, since I posted asking if anyone can confirm the description of aliens that I met in the astral, I'm now getting strange answers:

Are you an alien? Yes
Are you my guardian angel? Yes
Are you my higher self? Yes
Are you giving me correct answers? Yes
You've given me incorrect answers before. Yes
Are you giving me incorrect answers now? No
Are you a light being? Yes
Are you a Pleadian? No
Are you a Zeta? No
Are you what I've seen referred to as a grey? No
Are you an Arcturian? No
ARe you one of the 28 species Parmenion mentioned currently surrounding Earth? Yes
Do you work with the Pleadians? No
Do you work with the Zetas? No
Do you work with the Arcturians? No
Do the Pleadians know who you are? Yes
Do they know what you are here to do? Yes
Are you here to somehow help or assist humans? Yes
Are you affiliated with what I've seen called the 'dark ones' or something like that? No
Do you believe in a higher source, supreme being, creator, what I refer to as God? Yes
Are you here in support of his 'plan'? Yes
Can Mayatnik or Parmenion confirm this if I ask them? Yes
Should I ask them? Yes
Are you the alien I met in the astral last month? Yes
Do you have something to tell me? Yes

Can anyone 'confirm' any of this? Edi/Parmenion can you ask your Pleadian guides if there is a race fitting the description I posted last week currently orbiting the EArth? And if so, are they contacting me? And can you determine what their job is in all of this, since its apparently different from the Pleadians and Zetas?

Thanks a bunch!

[Adrian]

Greetings Novice,

quote:Originally posted by Novice

Are you an alien? Yes
Are you my guardian angel? Yes
Are you my higher self? Yes

Most of the exchange with your pendulum sounds plausible except for the above.

You Guardian Angel is in fact your Higher-Self, the two are often considered to be different but they are not, so from that point of view the answers where correct.

However, your Higher-Self is most certainly not an alien, it is the highest and most Divine aspect of yourself transcending all other aspects of yourself, physical, etheric, Astral and Mental. So I really do not know what that answer was about.

As for other beings, in one of the exchanges the "Reptilians" were mentioned as operating out of the Solomon Islands. I have no idea or position on this except to mention the David Icke books which apparently claim (I haven't read any of them myself) major government and personalities such as the Bush's, the Queen of England and others are incarnated Reptilian beings attempting to control the world in a conspiracy. The plot thickens! It almost looks like Earth is the equivalent of an inter-galactic game of chess at times with the white pieces (Zeta, Pleiadians etc.) and the dark pieces (Reptilians etc.). One day the truth will be known!

With best regards,

Adrian.

[Novice]

Thanks Adrian. Actually, I completely agree. That's why the next several questions were askin whether or not they were giving me correct answers. That's the first time I got a Yes to all three questions. This morning, it said Yes to alien and No to Angel and Higher Self.

Sorry, Mayatnik, but this is the part that I find frustrating. I don't understand how these types of incorrect answers is supposed to 'teach' me something. Although, I could just be missing the bigger questoin (which wouldn't be out of the ordinary).

For the most part, the responses I get to questions is fairly consistent. But again, the responses are highly incredulous. Thus I keep coming back to the "who are you really" question.

Any assistance here would be greatly appreciated!

[Soulfire]

quote:Originally posted by Novice

Now, to the point we are discussing here, re the Zeta. I understand what you and Soulfire are stating. I guess my only hesitation is that while logic/untuition would suggest that they are spiritually more advanced. There is also the possibility that they are not.

I was just summarizing my understanding of why that assumption is often made - not saying that I believe it with absolute certainty.  It does seem logical to me and feels likely, but I always try to keep an open mind.  When I use the term "open mind", I also mean open to the possibility that things are not how I perceive them to be "logical" or "feel" to be true.

While I find this entire topic fascinating, I am still just watching with an open mind.  I have not made any semi-final decisions yet about what I believe.  

I have had the pleasure of talking with Mayatnik some on MSN and he has been great.  He has answered my questions to the best of his ability, always shown complete respect, seems very humble, displays a genuine desire to help people in general, and has never asked anything of me whatsoever (including that I accept anything he sais as "truth").  I simply could not ask anything more of anyone than Mayatnik has offered to me freely.  Just my experiences for whatever they are worth...

--Soulfire

[Edi]

Hi fellow fellows,

you may have often heared of people 'requesting a guide' when they are lucid dreaming / astral travelling, to the effect that someone appears to lead you around and show you answers to your questions. There are many beings out there who answer such calls - your thoughts are being directed by your intentions to a corresponding mind... corresponding in the sense that self-oriented thoughts will go to self-oriented beings, and sincere requests for guidance will go to an appropriate, 'positive' being. To put it simple: like attracts like. That's how requests for communication are sent out and answered on more subtle planes, equivalent to knocking on a certain door down here on earth.
We have an interesting example of this in Novice's experience she had one month ago. After becoming lucid, she asked for a guide and was shown some things (see near the bottom of page 22 of this thread). I asked my guide to explain it to me and gained some interesting insights. The first person that appeared was one of the 28 races who were mentioned earlier to be 'watching' earth. The main duty of this race, and of the person who appeared first to Novice, is to relay communication between us and all those higher beings. After answering a 'call', they see what the person is in need of - in order to direct them to a specific guide, if appropriate. Novice wanted to get answers about karma and the pendulum, so the 'relay guide' called someone who could answer these questions for her. The latter guide appeared to be of Arcturian origin - the Arcturians are the ones who built and provided the 'mothership' which is orbiting the earth in a distance of about 100,000 miles. Concerning the appearance of the aliens, which changed at one point: we are shown many things in 'disguise', either in order not to disturb us too much, or not to reveal the full truth at the time... but as Novice wanted to know if they were aliens, she was shown.
This should mostly answer Soulfire's question about having a personal experience with one of those many extraterrestrials. A call may be put out in (lucid) dreams, projections, even in waking state (e.g. using the pendulum - that's why approaching it with a 'negative' attitude is only a hindrance in reaching the operators behind it). In altered states of consciousness it's often very easy to discern and receive guidance because you just see it - in waking consciousness one normally doesn't know what to listen for, even if it's there, so it's not so easy in the beginning to recognize it... but absolutely feasible, if one knows what to look for.

Squeek, you had a pleasant session there ... your questioning is good ... do what you did with the questions about astral projections with all the other topics, too: don't be satisfied with the first answer, ask more and more to discover a multitude of different facets of a topic. Don't worry about the actual length of your sessions, and feel free to post more of them.
Michael_E, it's nice to see that you're having a good rapport and are getting accurate responses with a pendulum as simple as a key on a thread. Thoughts and intent do influence the pendulum, that's why a relaxed, meditative state of mind is the way to go... watching the swinging pendulum and 'listening' for the answer actually brings the mind to such a state. You can ask more about the mechanism of the pendulum and the person on the other side of the line... your interest and intuition will surely lead you to interesting discoveries.

Squeek wrote:

quote:
I did this not only for information for me, but to remind everyone that you don't have to ask these 4 members everything... if you bought / made a pendulum

That's an important point you state here. Nobody depends on other people here, it's the other way round: everyone is free to explore on his own. Chill wrote about 'a strange and highly advanced society called "Sitnalta"'. This shows how man is dependent on 'outer truth': in general, everyone believes in something and wants to hear things which make him feel more comfortable and support his already existing belief system. The problem is that often new information is just swallowed without questioning... does it fit? Does it feel right? Have I considered enough possibilities? Do I see all the facets? Before you ask about credibility of outside sources, ask yourself what you believe to be true. To make it clear what the first and foremost purpose of the pendulum here is: to see what ideas one carries around, to make all the unconscious thoughts and structures (imposed upon us by government, media, society etc.) which direct our life conscious again! Only then can they be actively questioned, worked with and improved or discarded - you decide. And, to become independent of 'outside truth' by adopting a understanding but questioning mind, trying to see everything from all possible viewpoints, and only then, after due consideration, 'believing' or 'disbelieving' in it, which means: integrating it (or not) in the current working-model you are trying to understand and explain your reality with, always open for further revisions.

Adrian and clandestino: I didn't see the quoted site from zetatalk before; it is the essence of the answer the Zetas were pointing to. Just see what happens when people believe that the government cares for them... or, when people believe that someone will tell them what to do, and when to do it... the signs of what will happen are clearly stated, in much detail, with reference to similar happenings in the past, and when they happen they will be obervable for everone who dares to take his life in his own hands. Adrian, I like your image of an inter-galactic game of chess - similar to how Shakespeare described the world as a stage we all act upon... it's about time we rewrite the script.

I would like to point your attention to the newly launched forum Communications, which from now on will house everything pertaining to communication with the Zetas as seen here lately - the related posts from here have been copied over there. There's a thread for plain questions from you & answers by the Zetas, one thread to discuss the answers received (both sticky) and plenty of room for other discussions around this topic! See the introductry message at  http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=6791 for introductory information.

Love always,
Edi

[Novice]

Thanks for checking into this Edi. Your explaination does make sense, except for the Arcturian part. The pendulum is now telling me that the information coming through it is from guide in the dream. But whenever I go through whether its Zeta, Pleadian or Arcturian, the answers are always No. So I'm coming to 1 of 3 conclusions here:

1) I'm not communicating with the same guide as in the dream;
2) I am communicating with the guide from the dream, but it was the first guide and not the second;
3) I am communicating with the 2nd guide in the dream, but it was not Arcturian

What do you think? I had been assuming up till this post, that I was communicating with the 2nd guide in the dream.

[Soulfire]

Assuming your pendulum is producing accurate answers for you, you could try using it to get these answers directly.  Formulate a set of questions from various angles and see what you come up with?

Am I now now talking to one of the two specific individual guides I saw in my dream (instead of just "my dream" though, word it in such a way that it accurately reflects in your mind the specific dream you are talking about).

Then based on the answer it gives, try to come up with more specific questions to approach the topic from a few different angles until you are satisfied with the answer.

--Soulfire

[Novice]

Actually Soulfire I've done that several times. It keeps telling me that I'm talking to the 2nd guide, the one Edi referenced was ARcturian. ANd after I read that post, I asked again:

Is this the 2nd guide? Yes
Are you Arcturian? No
Zeta? No
Pleadian? No

And I am not 'into' this UFO stuff. So I don't know any other names of races to use to guess.

I've tried the hangman approach for a name, but I got inconsistent answers when trying for letters. So I went for sounds (phonetically spelling the name). Both times I asked before beginning if I can find all of the sounds in their name within the English language. Both times I'm told a Yes. After 3 sessions, I get the first 3 syllables as UNU (long 'u' in the first one and short 'u' sound on the last 'u'). But it tells me there are more than 3 syllables to their name, and yet it answers no to every sound I go through for the 4th syllable.

I've also asked if it can communicate telepathically like the Pleadians do -- No.

Apparently they only communicate through the pendulum (which I thought was a form of telepathy) and dreams/astral.

I'm kinda running out of ways I can think of to get answers. So if you have any suggestions, I'm all 'ears'!

[Soulfire]

First off, let me make it clear I am by no means an expert at the pendulum or Aliens.  I am just beginning to explore the pendulum and know next to nothing about Aliens.

Are you sure it is important for you to have a name/label to attach to the guide you saw in your dream?  Only you can answer that, but you might want ao ask the pendulum if there is any benefit to you having that information?

If you are still sure you need to know, maybe the pendulum itself can assist you in learning how to find out?  Consider asking questions like:

Is there a practical way that I can use the pendulum to figure out what kind of alien the second guide in my dream is?

If so: Is the best way of finding out something that I would easily think of on my own?

Is there someone in specific who could help me get this answer? (etc.)

quote:Originally posted by Novice

Apparently they only communicate through the pendulum (which I thought was a form of telepathy) and dreams/astral.

The understanding I have so far is that the pendulum is supposedly part of some kind of astral computer rather than direct telepathy.  You might want to ask the pendulum about that as well?  

Sorry I could not be more help but I hope I provided something useful.  lol

--Soulfire

[Edi]

Did you talk to Daniel (silentwitness)? Do you care in any way about what actually happened, or just read things out of his post and base your accusations on this?
Did Mayatnik tell anyone what to do and how to live his personal live?  Never... ah yes, only that we should live our lifes on our own.

quote:
I stopped looking for answers from interdimensionals a long time ago.

Fine. That's because they don't give answers. At least they make sure you don't depend on them. You can ask anyone you see 'following' Mayatnik about their opinion on this... probably everyone will tell you the same: the most important thing is independence and consciousness in living.

What do the people who talked to Edward think about him? I'm just asking for more than our 2 opinions. Come on guys, tell us...

I don't know about you timeless, but trying to help people actually brings meaning to my life - I'm far from perfect, far from 'spiritually advanced' (whatever that may mean), but I care for other people and at least try to understand them - whats so bad and evil about that? It's no sign of emptyness... is it?

What do you want? To fight or to understand? I just can't see why you are doing this.

With love and pain in the heart,
 Edi

[WalkingThePath]

hello

*sighs*

Timeless, i don't think you are in a position to judge Mayatnik, or make assumptions about him! You haven't even TALKED to him!
Why don't you ASK instead of TALK about things you don't know ANYTHING about???
If you are here only to make assumptions and not INVESTIGATE then LEAVE! You don't know anything about Daniel, or the REASONS for his actions, how dare you accuse Mayatnik when HE doesn't? You are making ASSUMPTIONS my friend! You have shut your ears and you talk and talk and say whatever you want without even TRYING to listen!
I have tired of your attitude and the likes of you.! I do not know what i believe about all this, i watch and ask and THEN come up with MY conclusions ONLY!  
Imagine if you are wrong, just try to imagine it! What will you do when and if a poleshift comes along and know that you have ACCUSED people who only wanted to help?
Please! Give Peace a chance []

Malvina

[Novice]

Edi-
I didn't take anything Timeless said personally. But by your response, she seems to have hit a nerve. I haven't personally conversed with anyone via MSN or any other form of IM. So all I 'know' is based on what I read/experience and how I feel about things being posted. And like someone else here posted, I usually get a 'true/false' feeling when I read something, intuitively. But I haven't gotten either one with this. Some things posted feel right, other things posted feel wrong. So maybe that's why my intuition is a bit confused with this thread. I'm not at a point where I will totally discount it, but I'm not signing everything over to it either.

And I think Timeless was merely letting Soulfire know of the range of people that have been posting on this topic. I don't remember seeing Mayatnik post that he was a spiritual master. So the fact that Timeless states that he is not should not offend him in the least.

I've read most of SeekingAnsers posts. The first one gave me a bad feeling to it (he was definately too gung ho). If I remember correctly, from the very first post, Mayatnik commented that he hadn't spoken to him for a long time and that he's had many issues to deal with. I don't know if Mayatnik was a catalyst for SeekingAnsers current life situation (whether directly or inadvertantly). But I don't see any harm in making others aware of the consequences of blindly following something without using your own free will and mind.

As for what Timeless references regarding concern for physical safety, this was one thing that struck me as well. And I'm not sure quite how to phrase this, so if I inadvertanly offend anyone, I apologize ahead of time.

My thoughts on this whole pole shift/earth change/doomsday, whatever it is. If it happens, there's a reason for it. And if I'm intended to survive it physically, then God will somehow give me signs that I recognize in the physical environment (without the need for an alien to 'guide' me), or arrange for a series of events to result in my being in the 'right place at the right time.' I don't believe its in my best interests to plan, move, or act on information regarding this stuff simply because the pendulum indicates this.

Even if the information coming through says I should move to high ground because a massive flood is about to occur. If God wanted me to remain in the physical, he will provide a sign/means of me getting to safety. Personally, I'm not so sure I'd want to physically survive after everything I've read that's supposed to happen. But I do believe in fulfilling whatever plan God has for me (although I don't consciously know what that is just yet).

I have had God give me signs in the physical before. (Jung called it synchronicity) But I've had people I work with or neighbors or friends make a comment or do something out of the blue that doesn't fit their character, but instantly addresses something I've been struggling with. I know instantly when these things happen and understand what they mean. Those are the types of signs/guidance that I seek. Certain dreams or astral trips I trust as well. Those are the only things I 'follow'.

For me, the jury is still out on the pendulum, who is communicating with me and the 'motive' for the communication. I've told the guide repeatedly that I don't believe what they are telling me and I need a sign to appear in the physical, that I'll recognize and understand, before I believe what they are saying. They agree and tell me that I will see signs of what they are saying to me. So until I see something in the physical that confirms some piece of information being told to me, then the communication remains for me an interesting, if a bit fantasy-like, dialog with a another being.

I personally prefer to read and hear all opinions on topics. This helps me to better understand my position and other views that I may not have considered. So I hope that Timeless and others continue to post. I think we all learn a lot more about the pendulum and ourselves in the process.

Wow, sorry for the length!

[TruthSeeker]

Dear Timeless(and everyone else that might find themselves "hit" by this post,

I feel it is my turn to respond now. I have been passively watching everything that has happened here, but I feel now that I must say a few words.

I am, what you call a "follower" of Mayatnik. I do not consider me as such. You talk of Mayatnik like he was supposed to be "Jesus", gathering "diciples" to follow him. This is not the case. What Mayatnik does is to show those who wish to see.

I am utterly disgusted to read some of the post that have been posted here. Where you indirectly and directly offend and hurt especially Mayatnik(this also affects his "students" as you may refer to it more correctly). Offcourse you should feel free to argue about what is said, but why become hurtful? If what you see here is not what you want to consider, I suggest that you leave this for those that do want to consider the facts that are given.

There have been brought up accusations, accusing Mayatnik as being a "cult leader". This is very far away from the truth. Mayatnik has given people a start to go from, to explore and learn. He has given people a chance to know. He gives people a start, then they are free to go where they want from that. Nobody follows anybody, hence no "cult" can be created.

I could have said so much more, but as I have read, everything has been said.
In the end it is all up to you..

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Dear Timeless,

"Interesting, every time I post I always get the followers jumping all over me (some with quite foul language) but the man himself never speaks to me. Hmmm! Why is that? Must others defend him? Let him speak for himself. "

Who is this one man you are speaking of. We are individuals following our own paths(referring to above). There is no "man himself". There is no "cult". There is no "leader". There is no reason to "aim" all your frustration on one man. Aim it at "us"(if this is really what you want to spend your time doing), I beg you.

"What do you know about me?"
I do not know anything about you, and truthfully speaking: I have no interest in knowing anything about you at all.

You might feel that we are "misleading" or "misguiding" the individuals on this forum, but do please think of what you are doing.
You stand so firm on your "belief" that we are part of a "cult", here to spread "misinformation" to the individuals of this forum. That we push them in the wrong direction.

What exactly are you doing, you might ask. You are representing a "blockage" and "keep away-sign". We do not force people into "believing" anything. We show them a room, a room they may choose to explore, or a room they may choose to leave.


"When ever I see people react as radically, extremely and absolutely as Mayatnik's followers do I smell that something is not right. Your ego is too wrapped up in all this."
What would you say to me if I told you you were very wrong in everything you know? Would you have said: "Oh well I probably am.."?
Then this is not something you know, it is something you believe.
As an example: I know my parents are beautiful persons, then one day a man(1) approach me and starts yelling they are evil. Soon many more comes to join, all yelling that my parents are evil. What would you have done if you were me? Would you have walked away, knowing that this man(1) had given the crowd this belief, or would you stay and try to explain. If you do choose to stay and explain, but you are not getting through to the man(1) that "started this belief", what would you then do? You could once more walk away and say: Their loss.
But you might also stay in a last desperate attempt to shed some light of truth through to the crowd and the man(1). In the end you might turn desperate and begin loosing your patience and an anger towards this man(1) will start to grow. Things will be said that might not gain the cause. If you are a man of will and sense of "right", you will not leave due to this. You will stay there and argue untill your last hour.
This is what I intend to do, to give the "crowd" a chance to know..

Be caring and mature, leave people to make up their own opinions. Do not yell out "this is evil" like the man(1), if you feel that this indeed is wrong anyway, walk away...

The very best to all of you.

With Pleiadian Love and Light,

TruthSeeker

[Edi]

Novice,

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I didn't take anything Timeless said personally. But by your response, she seems to have hit a nerve.

Nor did I. The 'nerve' this discussion hits again and again is that I see people hurting each other to an unnecessary extent with what they say, I try not to do this, so please tell me if I do.

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But I don't see any harm in making others aware of the consequences of blindly following something without using your own free will and mind.

Yes, I agree here, Mayatnik agrees here, what you call his followers agree here. I don't want to repeat it again and again but it's not at all about blind following. Who of us follows blindly as you say? Who? Who of us abandoned his sense and mind? If you point to Daniel... do you know what they talked about? Do you know how he came to where he is?

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My thoughts on this whole pole shift/earth change/doomsday, whatever it is. [...] I don't believe its in my best interests to plan, move, or act on information regarding this stuff simply because the pendulum indicates this.

Everything it indicates is that we should always be conscious to what happens, now at this very moment, nothing about the future. If we ask for more, we are totally free to believe it or not - and nobody EVER objected (tell me if I'm wrong) to this freedom of choice and belief! I don't throw my life away because something _might_ happen, this would be plain stupid and my own fault.

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So I hope that Timeless and others continue to post. I think we all learn a lot more about the pendulum and ourselves in the process.

So hope I, and I wished goingslow would still be here; and we are in fact learning a lot about ourselves by such discussions.


But see... I am not in any way concerned now about the information coming through the pendulum, that's a different topic deserving questioning and discussion - I am concerned about they way people here accuse and discredit each other, from both 'sides', if it's to be seen as a fight or a polarity game with one side against the other.

Novice, I totally agree with what you are saying here and appreciate you calm and unbiased outlook very much.

Timeless,

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How is filling you with fear helping you. These fearful things are something that okay...may...(but in my visions will not)... happen.

Fear? Do you mean talk about the poleshift et cetera? They may or may not happen, we cannot just know it; we can study the history of the Earth to try to see if things like that would possibly fit and could have happend, but we just don't know about the future and shouldn't worry about it. We're no 'cult' spreading fear about the pole-shift. Fear lies in the people themselves by not trusting themselves, by not knowing how to be in charge of their own life, by not making conscious decisions after thinking on their own.

If you say I am filling myself with fear, what makes you believe that? Yes, I am defending, but only because I see myself and others misunderstood. Talking like this is the only way to sort this out.

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Are you going to blow all your money preparing? Are you going to move locations? If you have kids are you going to pull them away from friends and family? For what? This is the type of behaviour that rips marriages and families apart. If you are single then who cares. You affect only yourself.

No! Do you assume that all of us here do this? I don't, Malvina doesn't, and I think all the others of which you assume they do, they don't as well... this is not about Mayatnik, he took very very much time to reply thoroughly to questions. We (the 'followers'?) are not intending to jump all over you, but what I percieve is injustice from both sides leading to nothing but endless arguments. You ask why we defend him - we are defending OURSELVES, because you say we are his blind followers, you say we abandoned our mind, you say we are told to prepare for the pole shift, you say we are filled with fear. We don't see it this way, so we speak for ourselves.

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What do you know about me?

Nothing. I try to appreciate and value your experience and knowledge, if they can contribute here please tell us more.

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When ever I see people react as radically, extremely and absolutely as Mayatnik's followers do I smell that something is not right. Your ego is too wrapped up in all this.

And what is not right? Smell and intuition tell us much, but how do we go on from that, and what do we base our words upon?

What do you think we are, what do you think we are going to do?


Love and candy bars,
 Edi

[Soulfire]

Hi Timeless,

I appreciate everything you said in your post and the warnings are all things that are in my opinion very practical.  I must say however that nothing I have experienced in my interactions with Mayatnik or Edi has violated any of these warnings.  If they ever did, I would be the first to agree with you.  I have not seen Mayatnic or anyone else claim to be a "master" either, nor to "imply" anything like that.

I do not consider myself a "follower" of anything but my own truth.  I have not even decided how I feel about the whole "Alien" topic yet to be honest.  I am just wachting and keeping an open mind.

I guess I would advise anyone to heed these kinds of warnings with just as much "open mind" as anything else, as they are mostly practical.  I think it is important to make our own decisions however and not let the words of another (either Mayatnik or anybody offering cautions) make your decisions for you.

--Soulfire

[Edi]

Dear Timeless,

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There is also the distinct possiblity that the interdimensional beings Mayatnik speaks to do not 'fully' understand how the dimensions come together. Something in one dimension does not necessarily influence something in another dimension.

I'm not totally clear about the concepts you use here. Do you mean that the beings we are talking with talk about events in the astral realm, or some dimension/reality other than the one we are living in, and we are making the error of interpreting it in physical?
Like for example a poleshift possibly affecting something in a more subtle space, and not our physical world at all?
Please share your knowledge about dimensions so we can talk on common grounds ... I've never found a good definition of 'dimensions', and how they relate to the traditional concept of astral, mental etc. planes, and what inherent differences in structure and percieveing of reality there are; my personal experiences with this surely are not as broad and extensive as yours, so I'd like to hear how you see this.

Greetings,
 Edi

[TruthSeeker]

Hello once again Timeless,

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"Are things really so shaky that one needs to be this defensive. I remember last time we spoke it was far worse though. You were beyond defensive and down right vicious. You called me many names and were quite over the top. "

Have I ever been vicious towards you? If not, remember that you directed that reply towards me.

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"Your post to Mayatnik was far more shocking than anything I could ever write. I do not see calm in your life only agitation and defensiveness."

What post are you referring to? Is it in my life you do not see calm, "only agitation and defensiveness?"
Is this once again towards me?

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To give the people on the board some information about what has been going on "behind the scenes" I will now tell them something of what you have said, so that they can make their own opinions of the ones that are not "calm" and has a life full of "agitation and defensiveness( I am sorry to be this harsh, but things have got to end.)

YOU my friend Timeless have accused Mayatnik of many things.(not every quote is COMPLETELY accurate, but I can assure you all they are true and in their right use. Also you can find a FULL Private Message at the bottom for own viewing)
"Fill your emptiness with love for self and you will no longer feel the need to save the world."
"I see an empty man...scared of something he cannot put his finger on."
"Earth knows her future...aliens do not. Talk to mother earth and forget the aliens."(Now where is the CHOICES here my friend Timeless?)
Said to Mayatnik: "only helping people because your wife has died"(this was sent to Mayatnik on the day of his wife's birthday, and the day after her funeral date...)
I can also say things like: "Cult leader!" "Irresponsible! "Leading people astray!".
Look at this and please do tell who you think are the most "irresponsible", "aggitated" and "vicious".(Once again I am sorry to having to resort to this)

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"As for IF the pole shift did happen (which it won't in any of our lifetimes from what I see). I would not be to worried. I have zero fear of death. I have watched people spend their whole lives worrying about nuclear war, Y2K, solar flares. There is always something to fear and distract."

This is not what it's all about. We do not "warn" you about the Pole Shift in order to make you "prepare for death" or "live in fear". It is to inform you of it's reality(should you chose to consider it), and that an "ascension" is "close by. This is not about "death"(as you said there is no need at all to fear this), but it is about life, about the transition from 3rd density to the fourth density.

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Here comes the PM I was referring to above:

Dear MAYATNIK,

What is the meaning of life?

To get lost in detail? To feel fulfilled by helping others get lost in detail? To fill the emptiness within you by serving in this manner? You miss the bigger picture.

Not every voice you hear is wise. Interdimensionality does not mean ultimate wisdom. Earth knows her future...aliens do not. Talk to mother earth and forget the aliens. Fill your emptiness with love for self and you will no longer feel the need to save the world. Your service will change to something that will truly fulfill you. I see an empty man...scared of something he cannot put his finger on. Know yourself and dig a little deeper...and you will find your peace.

Regards,
timeless

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Very best wishes.

With Pleiadian Love and Light,

TruthSeeker

[WalkingThePath]

Hello everyone

We have wasted too much energy on defending ourselves. Why can't we just cooperate and strive for knoweledge and wisedom TOGETHER? Why do we have to shout insults at each other and try to hurt?
(I must have done it too, but please, we can all stop can't we?)
We are here seeking spiritual knoweledge, not to spend our time shouting insults and accusatios! Investigate ALL possibilities, be friendly and open-minded, we have NOTHING to lose.
Please let the accusation stop and let us cooperate and work together as One for that is what we are.
We are all seeking the same thing, and in the end, somewhere up there , we will all meet for all paths have the same beginning and end. It is a wonderful journey we are on, never forget that.
We strive for love not hatred.

Malvina

[Squeek]

Well, someone wanted an opinion of those who talk to Mayatnik, so I guess I will too.

I dunno about everyone else, but when I talked to Mayatnik on MSN it was always fun for me.  Rarely do we talk about anything discussed on this website here, but we chat about just "stuff".  It's like I'm just talking to one of my friends, really.

We joke about stuff...like my nickname ([])...Stuff I do (like the trip to Alaska) Or.. just STUFF really.  That's the easiest way I can put it... STUFF.  Which is good... Most of the time I hate talking about serious stuff...well, you know me!

It's just a pleasure to finally meet someone intellectual that I can hold a conversation with!  [8D] You have no idea!

~Squeek