Explain the frequencies of the planes!

[DG]

The whole idea of "frequency" of planes is misleading. I believe this word was originally introduced by people who did not understand the meaning of the word, and then it took roots in occult literature. I suspect that happened mostly in the beginning of 20th century, when people tried to explain many things with recently discovered "fashionable" thing of electricity.

The definition of frequency is a number of oscillations, or periodic movements, of matter or energy per unit of time, usually per second. In physics, there are two processes that have property of frequency: sound waves, and electromagnetic waves (and its variants, like electric current). Roughly speaking, in case of sound waves, the frequency is a number of oscillations of air, or liquid or solid matter per second. For electromagnetic waves, it is a number of periodic changes of electromagnetic field per second.

When one talks of frequency, one should assume that it could be measured, usually in Herz. Another parameter of the periodic process is its amplitude. The frequency and the amplitude define any periodic process almost completely.

When one talks about frequency of Astral, or Mental planes, there is nothing to measure. Frequency of what? What is the value of it? There is no answer to these questions (at least at this time). Therefore, the use of this term in not appropriate. And indeed, in most cases the word "frequency" can be substituted by plane, level, dimension, and so on.

Just my 2 cents.

Dmitri.

[DrShaman]

Yea, I think you are right. One thing that annoys me is that most occult books write about vibration frequencies and that one plane is on a higher frequency than another, like it was a proven fact. It would be better to talk about different planes, or maybe dimensions? I have projected to the astral plane and maybe to the mental and I have experienced that some places are higher up spiritually than others.

The people that are writing these books need to study physics and be more scientific. Scientists will not take occult books seriously if they write about frequencies, but don't know what they mean by it.

quote:Originally posted by DG

The whole idea of "frequency" of planes is misleading. I believe this word was originally introduced by people who did not understand the meaning of the word, and then it took roots in occult literature. I suspect that happened mostly in the beginning of 20th century, when people tried to explain many things with recently discovered "fashionable" thing of electricity.

The definition of frequency is a number of oscillations, or periodic movements, of matter or energy per unit of time, usually per second. In physics, there are two processes that have property of frequency: sound waves, and electromagnetic waves (and its variants, like electric current). Roughly speaking, in case of sound waves, the frequency is a number of oscillations of air, or liquid or solid matter per second. For electromagnetic waves, it is a number of periodic changes of electromagnetic field per second.

When one talks of frequency, one should assume that it could be measured, usually in Herz. Another parameter of the periodic process is its amplitude. The frequency and the amplitude define any periodic process almost completely.

When one talks about frequency of Astral, or Mental planes, there is nothing to measure. Frequency of what? What is the value of it? There is no answer to these questions (at least at this time). Therefore, the use of this term in not appropriate. And indeed, in most cases the word "frequency" can be substituted by plane, level, dimension, and so on.

Just my 2 cents.

Dmitri.

[bitkari]

I think as one explores the varied universes, our terms for describing them break down. I think as long as the (wildly innaccurate) terms we use are known to be metaphors, they're ok to use.

[beavis]

I think RTZ is higher frequency than earth. But frequency becomes undefined somewhere in astral (or higher?) because you could go to a "past" or "future" place as easy as a place now. Nobody can agree on whats past and future. Time has no meaning there, so frequency (oscillations/time) doesnt either.

[bitkari]

it would make (a bizzare kind of) sense for time to be a third dimension  (alongside Space & Probablility) to constitute our universe.

if we were to be in another universe, one devoid of these dimensions, it would be possible to navigate these "local" dimensions without restrictions such as entropy.

time would be as relevant to this "greater" universe as the rules of football outside of the pitch.

[DrShaman]

I think it's confusing to use frequency, when we mean something else. The books that I've read don't explain that it's only metaphors.

quote:Originally posted by bitkari

I think as one explores the varied universes, our terms for describing them break down. I think as long as the (wildly innaccurate) terms we use are known to be metaphors, they're ok to use.

[DrShaman]

Ofcourse, you're right! Since time has no meaning there, frequency has not either.

But I don't know what you mean with
"Nobody can agree on whats past and future".

quote:Originally posted by beavis

I think RTZ is higher frequency than earth. But frequency becomes undefined somewhere in astral (or higher?) because you could go to a "past" or "future" place as easy as a place now. Nobody can agree on whats past and future. Time has no meaning there, so frequency (oscillations/time) doesnt either.

[DrShaman]

How do we know that the mental plane is on a higher frequency than the astral? It seems that no one has measured the frequencies.
And what kind of frequency is it? Is it electromagnetic? And what is it that vibrates?