Knowlege of the future?

[beavis]

There are many futures. You can choose to go to a different one or make your own.

[MJ-12]

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[bennypr2002]

So for instance if we see something in our future we can change it always? Do you think is may be possible that because we see something from our future it changes our actions in the present , so that we walk the road of our future which was depicted to us?

[cainam_nazier]

I fully believe that seeing the future is possible.  However I do not think that it is always possible to change what is seen, at least not fully.  You can really only change how it effects you personally.  There are certain events that are seemingly destine to happen regardless of what any one does about them.  Seeing such events allows you only two options.  YOu can help bring it about or you can try to lessen the impacts of it, however the event will still take place.

Of course too it does depend on how much information you get and just how far you are will to go to change what you have seen.

[shaman]

I agree with Cainam,

from my own experience, I have seen future events and they happened the same way they were shown to me - in vivid dreams. Other future events that have been shown to me either will not happened or will happened later on. If they do not happened, then I might say that some of the events that were shown to me do not happen. Such a vision that was shown to me is the burial ceremony of israeli PM Sharon, who in the dream was assassinated. These are difficult to assess as usually in visions, a time line (date) is not given. Some visions are just a few days before the event (usually that way), other are more general and seem to happen slowly or to not 'yet' happen. Other visions (much more personnal) were given with a month, but they did not happen that month of the year and I do not know if they will happen in that month next year, or whether they will happen at all.

[bennypr2002]

For instance if you do have a vision, how do you if it is something that is going to happen in the future or just sybolizes something in your life???

[jilola]

quote:For instance if you do have a vision, how do you if it is something that is going to happen in the future or just sybolizes something in your life???

That depends on you. There can be no all encompassig interpretation of whether a given intuition of the future is actual of symbolic except what you can give based on your experience of your intuitive skills.

Given that the untuited future can be changed provided you can, with your choices and actions, overcome the inertia of those around headed for the intuited future. A bit like steering a cuire ship with a paddle. It can be done but you have your work cut out for you.

2cents & L&L
jouni

[Marker]

quote:Originally posted by bennypr2002

For instance if you do have a vision, how do you if it is something that is going to happen in the future or just sybolizes something in your life???

jilola is right, for instance if you haven't had any dreams of your future that have come true, you should probably assume that most of your dreams are just dreams not visions.  

As far as changing the future you see, I believe it is possible.  However, in my case I have not been able to every time.  Even though I try everything I do happens just as it did when I saw it the first time.  This generally only occurs when something I dream happens the very next day, and only when the dream is from my personal vantage point the whole time.  I have dreamt of things far in the future of when they happen, but these are normally large events.  In this case I believe what cainam said is true, you can't change them, just how it affects you.

-Kyle

[Tayesin]

Hi all.
I think that if you dream or 'see' a probable/possible future event that is related directly to you, then yes, you can change it by being aware of what you do.  It's a bit like Deja Vu, when you recognize that you are in an event that you must have seen in some way, you can then change it, by doing something other than what you did in the dream/seeing.

But, if your seeing/dreaming is of a larger scale event, then to change that would take a majority awareness.  Even then, if it is something like global earth changes, little could be done to avoid it as those particular events are normal in the earth's great cycles.

I know from first hand experience that when 'Sight' presents an event to you, how you perceive it is unique to you and that in most cases a time frame is not provided.  Although this is not always the case either as some seeing provides a wider picture of other surrounding events that can allow you to know when it is about to occur.

That's my dollars worth, LOL.

Love always.[]

[shaman]

I do not know if I can change the future that has been shown to me, for I have not tried to do so. Some very specific events were given to me in dreams with a specific month but not with the year... In one dream a voice said to my ear: you will be very sick or die in April. April has not yet come... In another dream a year ago (or so) my mother was telling me that she has to "leave" us in April. April came and nothing happened. Am I supposed to wait for April of every year to come? Are these events of the future or just my subconscious trying to tell me something? I do not know.

The fact is that many dreams are not premonitory untill they actually happen. With time I have learned some very clear signs of pure premonitions but till now these have not applied to my personnal future, so that I do not know about personnal events and the possibility to change them. If I'll experience a premonition that can be identified as a real premonition, I can post it here, but it does not mean someone will be able to change the future.

I believe prayers might be able to change the outcome of the future, that is .. if you believe in prayers and if you know to whom to address them, everyone according to his/her own belief system.

As has been remarked by others, some personnal events might be subject to change if one wishes so, but more general events are not subject to any change, they are part of the Divine Scheme (?).

[bennypr2002]

You see something like that would really irritate me. For example i was told that i would be succseful a certain year of my life by a pretty reliabe source. But i would hate to live thinking that i can not do anything to be succseful before that, because i have all the resources to acheive this succsess before then. Does anybody have any expeirences where they overcame a destiny that was told to them with hard work?? Please Share. Thank You

-Benny

[shaman]

When I was back at the university, my sisters and mother were in contact with one of the neighbours who was reading the future in coffee cups, cards and other things... and they were told of kind of things. That neighbour even told them about me, she said "his sign (zodiacal sign, but also say my chance, luck) is stuck", which meant that I was not going to get where I was trying to. I got my diploma, though I got some problems, then I could not find a job for quite a while... Eventually things changed, maybe because my situation changed (I got married). Not sure. But here I was told I am stuck and eventually got to move forward. So don't be dissapointed. Be patient. If the fortune teller was wrong, then fine, you can go. If the fortune teller was right, then don't desperate, take your time. Things might have been planned for you a given way, a way to which you have agreed to before being born maybe? Life if not easy and one has to learn the hard way. The important thing is probably not to be sucessfull in life, the important things is to live and change and evolve and spiritualy to grow. Don't be impatient, be happy with what you have for the moment. Maybe it is just a "test" put forward in front of you for you to pass... good luck.

[bennypr2002]

Shaman
Thank you very much for the last line of your reply " Maybe it is just a "test" put forward in front of you for you to pass". I think  you may be right, maybe all fortunes given to us is a test to see if we will follow the profecy or enhance it by so called passing the test. Thank you very much again.

-Benny

[Soulfire]

If you believe that everything is ultimately energy and that everything that happens is energy in motion, then that makes certain assumptions likely:

1) The dynamics of energy including the concept of attraction would seem to indicate that to a great extent everything that happens is "caused" by the sum total of all the different energies that are in a position to influence the energies that make up the event in question.

2) To change that event, you would need to change enough of the sum total of all the related energy influences to affect the "momentum" of the specific energy pattern that would manifest said event significantly enough to change its course or velocity enough that that energy's manifestation in the physical plane becomes altered.

If all of this is true, then it is always POSSIBLE to change the future.   The question is whether you have enough energy to manipulate and enough skill/finesse in the deployment of that energy to cause enough of a change in the sum total of all the energy patterns involved to make a "noticable" difference.

--Soulfire

[bennypr2002]

Another thing that is interesting to think about is that something or event so small can completely change the direction of our future. So maybe not much energy is need, but energy put forth in the right direction.

-Benny

[Soul]

hi everyone

this might be way off, but i have thought about things like this for a while following a vision i had about 7 yrs ago. oneday i was contemplating my vision (in the most bizar place ) and came up with the following concept...

to me the future you see, either in vision or dreams cant be changed at all. the future is set out just the same way the past is, meaning you are where you are now thru the choices you made with your own free will, so if you have a vision then that event will happen no matter what because of who you are and the choices you will make. you cant change who you are and only you will make the choices you make thru free will and it is the free will of everyone that maps out the future because everyone can only make the choices they make. i think it comes back to your life is already set out cause you chose this life thru free will before you entered it, and maybe the vision or precog dream is just a memory of what you saw before you chose this life. to me if the vision dont come true then it wasnt a vision but a daydream.

sorry if i lost anyone there cause i nearly lost myself in trying to explain it lol

ahh well i know what i mean []

anyway just a thought and i am in no way saying i am right []

[Tao]

Yeah... I agree.. But i think it`s more like you make the choices during the life time not before it - what i`m trying to say is that is like you make some choices and then you affect your future and you can`t change it - i don`t think that the visions and dreams about the future are just a possibility

I.. like Soul hope you got my point lol - i found it difficult to express myself in English sometimes

mike
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[Benja]

I do have profound knowledge about the future: I know for certain that - seen from Switzerland today - Australia lays in future and the USA is in past.

quote:Originally posted by bennypr2002

If one has knowlege of the future, is it possible to change it at that point? Thannk for any replies.

-Benny

[shaman]

There is certainly here a question that is phylosophycal in it aspect and it is how easy it can seem to each of us to change his/her future. This has been depcited by many philosphers/authors such as Kundera "unbearable lightness of the beeing", or even the existentialism of Sartre, or in the novels of Camus or Hemingway. A small act might change our life completely. You go to study in the university and at the last moment you hesitate between (say) philosophy and Math... everything in life is like that actually so that it is sometimes "unbearable" to see how easy it is to chose things, but how heavy the consequence of these "light" decisions are!!! that is exactly the paradox comtemplated by all these authors/philosophers above. And life is even more paradoxal because on one side with do have the Love of the world (be in the sun, on the beach, eat, love, ...) and on the other side life itself can be so difficult (e.g. live thru a war, etc...) so that there too as we live our life we might get "hit on the head" more than once.... now if in addition you noticed that these are the "heavy" consequences of your "light" decision, then you are there!

But there are more events to follow in the world than our selfish lives... be on the look out, there is a bad wind coming from the middle east if I might say.

Take care!

[Mustardseed]

Some things seem obviously to be chaangable. It is to me like we are with kids, we allow them some free will at the levels they are at and as they grow they get more and morefreedom to make more choices, thereby altering their future. Free will is what alters the future. However there seem to be some things that does not change becourse they are not based on your actions but the actions of others. Each touching others in a long long long chain of events. In the spiritual The Bible talks of a doctrine commonly named "the predestination doctrine" . It is based on a scripture that says: "those he (Jesus) did foreknow he also did pre destinate" It basically teaches that God has a over all plan in which is imbedded free will. On the surface that seems to be a contradiction but at a deeper level maybe not. Sometimes we give our kids choices to see what they will choose , knowing allready what it will be, only so that it will be THEIR choice. We place on them the majesty of choich so they can fall learn and grow. This ofcourse have to be seen in a much grander scheme than merely , will I win 1 million $, and is meant in a much broader sence.

[Hephaestus]

Anybody ever watched 'Final Destination'?

[bennypr2002]

If one has knowlege of the future, is it possible to change it at that point? Thannk for any replies.

-Benny