guardian of the threshold

wisp · September 07, 2003, 17:59:02

I first learned of the guardian of the threshold upon going to an astral temple site. If you need or want the link there I can get it easy enough. I first learned of the shadow self through dream studies from books, as well as first hand dream experiences.

I was confronted with a wolf upon attempting entry to the astral temple I just mentioned. I've been meaning to get back there but I've been doing other things. There is a lot of focus this site requires.

The shadow self is very much a potential for manifestation.
I don't fully understand it all yet but I've learned that it does exist. Such as, facing the dark shadow head on, and possibly what to do about it. And seeing how it relates to daily living.

The above things have made me understand many things I've experienced in my life. Things that once was a mystery is now to the best I understand it, more like markers or sign posts of my life journey. The enities and their acts played out, are ways of directing me along the way. Still a mystery in a way, but now I'm starting to see the connection, and hopefully the purpose. It could be as simple as empowerment in daily living. So far, I'm a pretty good defensive player.

Radha · September 07, 2003, 20:21:23

There is a guardian of the thresh hold. The animal form you saw is not it. Everyone has an animal form that can, at times, if you are ready to deal with it, turn up. This is more common in eastern schools. Go face the wolf. Either you rule or he does. Don't try to use force or he'll nail you and you'll live a bit uncomfortably for awhile. If you were in an esoteric school, I'd say it is your chance to move beyond the animal levels in yourself. In such a school the teacher could help you if you needed help. He can't and won't deal with it for you. That would be illegal.
The guardian is you. One way of looking at it is those dissassociated parts of yourself. You created them and they are your baggage to deal with before you can move on to better things. It would be better if you were in a real esoteric school before you get to interested in that topic. I don't suggest you get involved with the topic outside of such a school.
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Sorry...I don't usually tell people what to do unless they ask my advice...and you didn't ask. I decided not to be silent in case you could bring harm to yourself, so stuck my two pence worth in.

chupacabra · September 07, 2003, 21:16:41

how exactly does one "deal" with one's dissassociated baggage.

wisp · September 08, 2003, 00:50:10

Thanks Radha, your right. I appreciate your suggestion.

Foas · September 08, 2003, 16:22:03

I got a question, Well when wolfs are around or dad i think in my mind for them to do somthing and they usly do what does that mean?

Radha · September 10, 2003, 20:32:15

Well, first I'd be sure that you control the wolf and not vice-versa.
If it turns mean...you just have to use the Will to restore order.

Re "baggage" most esoteric school I've worked with have tools you are taught how to use to "clean up" the baggage. Remember the Life Energy we try to develop in our training has it's own purpose. It is not yours to control or play with. What usually happens is that as you bring in some of this energy, it will do what it does: give life to something. Now let's say a person is 25 years old. They have lived a crazy, druggy existence and are rather anti-social in their thinking. They hate this and they hate that and so on.
The Life Energy will give life to this baggage just as easily as it could give life to a new child or to a kind and gentle thought. It doens't care. It just does it's job. Now suppose several hundred of this whacko's anti-social thoughts and feelings suddenly get brought to life??? See where this is going?
This is one reason you hear tales about kundalini driving people crazy. No. First they didn't train corectly in a proper school. Second they brought in some energy and it gave life to their "baggage" and the force tied up in these psycho thoughts and feelings is greater than the social mores and customs around them...and you read about a whacko going to work and blowing people away or some similar act.
However all this may be, there is nothing to fear. Just train right is all. Driving is dangerous to if you are on the freway trying to teach yourdelf out of a book. See what I mean?
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Foas · September 10, 2003, 22:35:09

i dont control thing is jsut unright to take control of somthing that is a free spirit!, But ive never ever been growled at by a dog every time i walk by dogs that bark all the time they just cry happly or wake there tell hard know what i mean when there just really happy, i dont know what up with it i just ask adn they usly but mostly always do it for me

Mustardseed · September 10, 2003, 23:05:10

I encountered this kind of being only once. I was starting a OBE and clairvoiantly watched through my room wall a black figure with a hood like a munk or the grim reaper, slowly come up the stairs, it came right up to my bed and leaned over me with its long white fingers as if getting ready to go for my jugular. I had no idea what it was and it totally totally freaked me out. I was compleately paralysed with fear and closed my eyes and aborted.I just laid in bed paralysed with fear for a long time as I knew he was there in the spirit. It was as if it was waiting for me to exit so he could attack. I wanted nothing to do with OBEs for 4 years after that, thinking I was in big trouble. Never saw him again after that but cant help looking around as it had an effect, however I do feel the fear is fading.

Spirit_k9 · September 10, 2003, 23:19:53

My 'threshold guardian' came early on as well. It was a huge dark figure with red eyes. To me the thing was a personification of threat, harm, evil, whatever else you can think of along those lines and it terrified me.

Robert got me through that, I took his advice and simply faced it head on. This took a few 'tries', but I finally did it. I tore it's heart out, a huge symbolic event. That fight with it was the last I have seen the thing since.

I've seen other things, but I wouldn't classify them as a guardian of any sort since they weren't a barrier to progressing along with the APs.

I keep meaning to note when I post about APing, I don't do it much anymore. It's a matter of choice, I've found journeying and taking the awareness above astral provides greater experiences than the problematic realm of the astral. I do play with it once in a while however [

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Mustardseed · September 11, 2003, 11:25:28

By the way since then I only project in the day time morning or late afternoon. However sometimes if I spontaneously project at night I try to not spent time in the real time zone enviroment

Santina11 · September 11, 2003, 20:18:14

OMG! I used to see this grim reaper looking thing at the end of my bed when I was a kid, and in my yard at night when i looked out my window-it was sooooooo scarey-it was very tall and skinny but I dont recall it having a face...one time I had 2 false awakenings and the thing was still there-eeek-than the third time, i must have really woke up and it was gone....I think it was like 7 or 8 ft tall and very black and skinny-ewwwwwww

Foas · September 12, 2003, 14:54:37

i've never seen the grim reaper befor

, But i just have this fasination with him. As a druid i learned to Energy tap, and Give energy to poeple. I dont really think of him as evil at all. So i will never fear him, HE is there to do what he must hehe.

chupacabra · September 12, 2003, 16:51:57

HMMMMMMMMMMMM... Theoretically, could this thing be sort of dissolved eventually if one was living a fairly negative free existence? Or once it's there, it's THERE and must be dealt with.

Why must there be hassles like this? It's bringin' me down, man. I just want o float around 'n' stuff. Why can't my baggage take hike and mind it's own stinkin' business... go hassle a REALLY bad person or something.

chupacabra · September 12, 2003, 16:57:48

I forgot this....

spirit k9 mentioned "tearing the heart out" of his guardian thing. I though reacting to negs 'n' such with fear or hostility was the worst thing you can do.

...I'm beginning to think that while there may be a few rules to the astral realm, everything else is a subjective experience, including how one successfully confronts this guardian thing.

curiousgirl · September 14, 2003, 01:35:02

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Why must there be hassles like this? It's bringin' me down, man. I just want o float around 'n' stuff.

LOL! my sentiments exactly, chupacabra. i have to admit, i'm still afraid of the dark months after i had this one experience with these six small, dark figures standing around me.[:O] they didn't do anything but stare at me, but i was paralyzed, and terrified, and it scared the hell out of me. i had a decent little nighttime OBE a month after that, but i'm still pretty chicken. [:I] i wanna do more OBE's, but at the same time i'm still dealing with some fear issues. i don't wanna meet up with creepy creatures! i just want to explore all the wonders out there. but i know i'm gonna have to deal w/it sooner or later. [xx(] alas.

chupacabra · September 04, 2003, 15:28:16

I was reading in another post about "The Guardian of the Threshold" or Shadow Self, an entity created from one's own negative thinking that you must deal with before being able to access higher realms of existence. It can manifest in human form or any form that represents your prevalent negative thinking. the post described having to clean up one's karma (getting rid of negative thinking patterns: fear, ander, etc.) in order to minimize the entities power, thus granting you access to the Astral or wherever.

Has anyone had contact with such a thing? And have any of you experienced projectors/phasors found that you had to do some sort of karmic housecleaning before being able to Project or Phase?

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