Is it possible to speak with entitys when.......

[n/a]

you have to speak to entitys with INTENTION,
like every decent higher beings is communicating.
not with the voices,
because those voices are most certainly dead spirits that are
decaying,
and now they are wanting somebody to hold their dead hands..
you certainly opened the unnecesary door for all of them,
in your brain, and you (w)ill hear voices
like it or not forever.
and you are most certainly on the door of Schizophrenia.

[General-Army]

i dont hear the voices any more, they all stopped soon after i started to lose my spiritual awareness and everything.

[Tenacious]

I also hear voices...but I never have attempted to talk back...just last night I head two people screaming for "mom", like they were lost.  Thought it was kinda odd, but fell asleep![]

-Tenacious[]

[General-Army]

its stuff like that i hear everyonce in awhile, but its rare now, its kinda wierd when u talk back and get a responce.

[n/a]

those voices from the head, they could be also programed in a certain sense, in your cortex as other personalities,
and they could also be used for the entities disguise.
practice a Zen meditation.
sit with your body completley unmovable every night.
kill everything that appears.
there are 2 states of mind:
1 pure mind
2 thought mind
kill everything that appears.
kill them all.

the entities will run away, the thoughts will disappear.
you will be free,
but remember, the entities have the kee of your psyche.
-you must also change the access codes.

[cainam_nazier]

I must ring in.  I know from experience that opening yourself up in such a manner CAN be dangerous but it is only one step in a process.  Granted if you are not willing to deal with the various problems that can occur then I would advise against it.  But NOT EVERYTHING you hear is designed to mislead or hurt you.  There are not masses of undead minions just waiting to get a hold of you.  There are others and this practise can lead to greater things.

See the following.

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=1265
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=924
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=5237
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2085
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=4658
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=216
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=77

These links all deal with Voices and Telepathy.

I am happy to answer any resulting questions.

[General-Army]

I read the first reply from Azaioth the red and now im afraid of these voices. So am i just listening or am i actualy opening a door for these spirits to get into my mind and give me Schizophrenia? Because if im going to get that, im just going to clear my mind or pay no attention whenever i hear these voices. Should i just listen in on what i hear and not reply?

[cainam_nazier]

It's not a contractable disease.  You either A. are born with the problem or have a disposition for because of brain abnormalities or chemical imbalances.  B. Do some thing to cause these abnormalities or imbalances, ie. Drugs and such.  C.  Allow something to effect you on a psychological level.

The approach you are taking is much the same as some one saying if you have one drink you get liver cancer, which isn't true.  

From what I have experienced you have to take a logical approach to the subject.  The following basic rules would help in such situations long enough for you to formulate your own.

1.  You control your own mind.  Much the same as you do in any conversation.  If I were to tell you now, "go jump off a bridge", you would most likely think that I AM the crazy one for thiking that you would do.  Treat any information you glean from this manner the same as you would get information from this forum, objectivly combined with your own experiences.

2.  You are in control of the situation.  If you get the feeling that evil is afoot then end communication.  Tell them to go away and leave you be.  And don't listen to that particular one anymore.

3.  Trust your feelings.  Your gut reaction in these cases is often your best one.  Again, if it feels bad then stop.


It is not so much that you are opening a door and allowing some thing entery.  It is more like opening a window and yelling at some on the street.  After you close the window most people leave.   I am not saying to open your arms and embrace everything you find.  But rather caution should be excersized.  Treat anything you hear as you would a stranger.  It may beokay to say hello but don't go inviting them into your house, or in this case your mind.

Because of your developement and the resulting fear if you are to pursue this I would suggest one last thing.  Learn some kind of protection before starting: shielding, ritual, or whatever.  It doesn't really mater which you choose as long as it suits you.

Remember this.  If this is some thing that truely bothers you and you worry about the possible ill effects then simply don't do it.  

Also it is possible that you are only talking with your own mind or your rather your subconcious.  And as odd as it may sound if you are being issued instructions that are designed to cause you harm or to harm another then DO NOT FOLLOW THEM, and seek professional help.  If need be talk to a parent or some one who can get you the proper help.

[n/a]

it is not simple as that.
you are not in the control just because you believe so.

thoughts.
could you stop them for just a 1 minute?
close your eyes and try.
so, you do not control them cainam nazier.
the thoughts control you.
and how is that possible?


AND THERE IS NO PROFESSIONAL HELP.
the psychiatrie is to late.

I said the medium for speaking to higher beings is
only INTENTION-PURE OUT OF THOUGHTS.

Speaking to lower entities are THOUGHTS.
your beliefs, your wishes-they are all just thoughts.

to communicate with just the Intention you must learn.

[Ryan]

Some would argue that it is just hypnagogic "sounds". It doesn't mean your Schizophrenic.
Besides its been happening to me for some 10 odd years or so everytime I try to fall asleep conciously, and I'm not Schizophrenic, and neither am I. Or me. Me either.
We arent.

[Spirit_k9]

General, no need to be afraid of the 'voices' and noises. They are a combination of different things depending on the circumstances.  My opinion, and that's what it is, is that you shouldn't listen to people like Azaithoth999 the red.  

Az's intentions aside......

Of the noises and voices I have heard; some can be attributed to hypnogogic sounds which are nothing really more than clutter popping up from the subconscious in preparation for work your mind and brain do during sleep. Other noises have been 'background', not directed at me at all. If there is a spirit, awareness, or entity that wants to communicate, it won't do it during your shift between waking awareness and the waking dreaming awareness, or astral, or whatever you're on your way to.  When spirits or entites wish to communicate, they don't want to be misunderstood since there is obviously a purpose for the attempt if an attempt is being made.

My advice, just observe it without focusing on it and let it pass. If it startles you into waking, you were most likely on your way to a decent snooze anyway

[Tao4mind]

Being a Native American Indian I know those Christians lock up people who hear voices. So I would like to make it plain that no Indians hear no voices no more, we were all cured with electro-shock treatments back in my grandfathers day. In the old days before my grandfather was put into a sanitarium for delusional religious beliefs the Indians communicated through the mind and voices in the head. I have been told when I was a kid the story of the tree that could talk in the native tounge; and the wolf, bear and other living creatures of this world being the cause for voices in your head. But Indians do not play that game with their kids no more. Insted we teach the children about 500 volts of electricity, and being chained to beds, if you hear voices of animals or trees.

[n/a]

'scuse me, but Indians havent ever suffered from Western sicknesses
Schizophrenia Paranoia and so.
they were healthy and happy people.
-grate lifestyle!
and you have communicated only with your ancestors
with Vision as well as the voice.
it is called the 'Vision and the voice' practise.
not just the voice.
and this is the case of the voices(many).

the Indian shamans have also taken specialy made drugs only
for that PURPOSE.
THERE WAS NO COINCIDENCES.
that was all part of the Ritual.
Indian practise was precise and accurate.
but today,
Maybe it is the Spirit of your own grandfather
that is talking in the heads of the Christians
just to put them into the sanitarium.[]

[OldLad]

Tao4mind, I've been waiting for someone who could possible help to answer a situation who's background is Native American Indian.

About 3 days ago as I was reamerging from a sleep state, I found myself in the vibrational stage of OBE.  As I lay there paralysed, and seeing my room in a blurr I heard a distant distinct Indian War Cry (the la la la la la yell) for some reason I tried to mimick the yell only no sound.  But it was distinct and only heard the one time.

Later that day I was meditating.  With my eyes closed I could make out the swirly images that come and go that most call, I guess, hypnagogic hallucinations.  But I remember one face that showed itself that I won't forget.  Appeared Indian, had a hardened look on his face, could see black painting that partially encircled his eye and then white painting that wrapped around it, from half the forehead and around the cheek.  Look like only half the face painted like this.  The hair looked pretty short though but were tied in a series of knobs that were about 1 1/2 inches a part running from front top all the way to back. Possibly what hair was left was left hanging (couldn't see that part very well) I've been researching and researching on native american culture to understand what they have believed in but its hard to find anything anymore on this topic.

Anyways, I understand you've probably adopted a more modern Christian view of society.  But you said you remember your grandfather telling you stories.  Has he ever mentioned if one hears an indian war cry, a meaning?  And the particular indian makeup come from any specific tribe or has meaning?  I could be just grabbing BUT its worth investigating for my own piece of mind.  Thanks!

[n/a]

more and more Americans are experiencing OBE,
perhaps 90% of world population, and maybe all.
also, they are the One who experience UFO-S,
more then 3milions Americans have Experienced the UFO
from a close distance.
-and none in Europe!
and the "Americans" never look into their Government EXPERIMENTS.
boy, they are stupid(most of them)
trying to find speciality in their back-yard.
-poor sods!

so, I believe aaa-I believe aaa-I believe aaa-
they are aaa special and chosen people.
for CIA EXPERIMENTS with mind.

[n/a]

when you hear the indian war-cry again,
you will get Tomahawk in your head.

[Spirit_k9]

Aziroth, those statements about americans and ufos are just so much flatulence.  Perhaps you should look into how many ufo reports have occured in the UK? Stop bashing americans, we have enough problems without a bunch of ignorant bashers adding to the mix.

[astralspinner]

Schizophrenia is not a condition you can give yourself by meditating or listening to voices - dismiss it from your mind.

Funnily enough, last time I meditated I was giving the "high-pitched noise" approach a whirl, first time in ages I've used it: You relax and listen for it, and you'll hear a really high-pitched sound after a while. Concentrate on hearing it louder and higher pitched, and it'll become so. You can only hear it when you're relaxed and listening for it, so it's a good way to get into a relaxed state of mind.

Anyway, listening as I was to the noise, I then started hearing voices in it as well. They seemed to think I was highly amusing. Especially when I asked them if they knew what the lottery numbers were going to be

[n/a]

"those statements about americans and ufos are just so much flatulence. Perhaps you should look into how many ufo reports have occured in the UK? "

none taken inside![]
only Americans are dumb enough to Enter an American-army UFO.

"Schizophrenia is not a condition you can give yourself by meditating or listening to voices"

VOICES ARE THE FIRST SIGN OF Schizophrenia.
at least, that is what the book say.
book of medical science![]

[KrazyKitty]

I hear the same thing right before i go to sleep but it seems like there already in the middle of a conversation or I dont hear all of what they are saying so I dont really understand it. Ive learned to ignore it and just go to sleep. and oh yeah I heard these voiced long befor i started my "spritual Journey" and nothing bad has ever happened because of them so I really think your okay. []

[astralspinner]

quote:VOICES ARE THE FIRST SIGN OF Schizophrenia.
at least, that is what the book say.
book of medical science!

Voices heard when in a normal state of consciousness CAN be a sign of schizophrenia.

Meditation is not a normal state of consciousness, it is an internalised state in which all the senses can provide input without a physical cause.

Believing voices heard during meditation to be a sign of mental abebration is like saying that if somebody talks to you in a dream you're hearing voices and therefore schizophrenic. Utter nonsense.

And before you start quoting "the book of medical science" at me again - I have a degree in the subject and work for a medical supply company. Feel free to continue the debate, but find some better understanding of the subject first, because right now you're laughably uninformed.

[n/a]

"because right now you're laughably uninformed."
about meditation?=teta state of consciousness,
or your dreams?[xx(]
it is good that you work in a store with medical books,
because you will need them one fine day![B)]

"Voices heard when in a normal state of consciousness CAN be a sign of schizophrenia.
Meditation is not a normal state of consciousness"
-IT IS FOR A NORMAL PEOPLE![]
like a regular guy like yourself.[|)]

what is the difference between dream and reality then?
here it is electrons that keeps you walking on the ground
and in dream it is your imagination.[|)]
most of the people can tell the difference.
so, now jump n'grab a book on physics,
so we could continue the conversation,
you medical student-drop-out.[]

there is a grate difference between spiritual VOICE and VISION
and Ignorant American PLURAL "voices in their heads."[]
while waiting for the Schizophrenia,
and the voice"messages" left in your little head,
try listen to some Rage against the Maschine,
to learn something more about your "brain-mystic"-country

land of the dreams..[]

[cainam_nazier]

I don't know how we suddenly came to country bashing but never mind really.

quote:Azaithoth999 the red Posted - 30 August 2003 : 12:17:37
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it is not simple as that.
you are not in the control just because you believe so.

thoughts.
could you stop them for just a 1 minute?
close your eyes and try.
so, you do not control them cainam nazier.
the thoughts control you.
and how is that possible?

Yes it is, and yes I can.  I can stop them for one minute, 30, an hour, to several hours.  It's called meditation.  And no my thughts do not control me.  I do as I will.  My will is stronger than my thoughts, my emotions, and my instincts.  

If anybody's thoughts were the soul guiding influence to thier actions then there would be much chaos in the world.  The world itself would be in anarchy because no one would be able to control thier base urges.

Do you eat when you get hungry?  Or do you simply find yourself eating with out any control going into it?  Have you ever gotten hungry and said, "No, I'll be home in 20 mins. I can eat when I get home."?  Or do you have to immediately stop what you are doing to find food not being able to control yourself or decide even what you are going to eat as long as its food?

Most likely you are not the animal I have suggested above.  This even though you may not realize it is an excersize of will over thought and instinct.  You excersize your own will, self control, and reasoning over your own thoughts all the time.  You decide wether you sit at home or go out, when to eat, what to eat, when to go to bed, when to go to work, this goes on and on.  Everything you do is controled by your own will and judgment which is only influenced by what you are thinking or feeling.

[Spirit_k9]

On country bashing, just a thought;

If one hates a particular country then one is certainly welcome to stay home! However, if one 'hates' an entire country of people, I suggest there are other issues that are indicative of a severe lack of spirituality, at least toward the positive end of the scale.

On voices;
My son had what we thought was a mental problem for quite a long time. As it turned out his problem was largely non physical, the rest became his will as it was trained to be problematic. He heard voices, those voices instructed him to kill his parents. He tried, he failed.

At the psychologists' office he denied his previous claims of hearing the instructive voices. Later on, I asked why he denied this and he said the voices said not to admit it to the doctors, but parents, teachers, and police did not matter. This was when he was 7 years old.

His voices came not when he was awake, but as he was falling asleep. Myself, I haven't heard anything very coherent as I make the transition, just stuff I call hynogogic noise.

No real point to make with that, just putting it out there.

[Tarot]

Old Lad, I am a Native American and the feeling I get from your experience is that it could be one of your spirit guides probably your warrior. And Mr. 999 the red dont go putting "FEAR" in the hearts and minds of your brothers and sisters.

-The aimless arrow never misses-