OBE differences respect death warning?

[Soulfire]

All I can say for sure is this:

I have never experienced feeling close to death during OBE.

People who have done hundreds or thousands of projections (more than I have) seem to believe they are safe.  The more people project, the more comfortable and safe they seem to report feeling regarding the practice.

I feel that you probably have a fear of death that is strongly coloring your perceptions.  As you get into the astral, oftentimes our fears are manifested in more concrete/intense ways compared to how we are used to experiencing those same fears on the purely physical level.

My view here?  Even if death is just like a one way trip to a permanent OBE, then maybe that's not anything to be afraid of?  When your time here is over, you are going to die whether you happen to be OBEing at the time or not.  Worst case scenerio: I can think of much worse ways to spend eternity than in a permanent OBE.  

--Soulfire

[greatoutdoors]

I was really going to stop posting and just "listen" for awhile, but I've got such a mouth it even runs my fingers! []

Soulfire, I pretty much agree with you. Grouping all "mystical" experiences together, I guess I've had quite a few, none fatal, so far. I've experienced awe, amazement and definitely "Wait, I'm not ready to go back yet!!", but nothing bad. As to death,hey, it's a new experience and something to learn from, not fear!

Paul, have you ever been given a general anesthetic? If not, some of your concern about death may be relieved when that happens. You don't dream, there is no sense of time or place or --- anything. It's like someone switched out the lights then switched them back on with exactly nothing in between. Death may be like that, where we just "end". But if so, there's nothing to fear. It's only those we leave behind that will know anything happened! If reincarnation is real, we likely won't be aware of any transition between our death and our next life, whatever that may be. And if the astral is a place where we can exist when our physical body is done, that's a whole new world to explore, with all the time there is to do it! Same thing if we become pure spirit (call it that) and stay in this world frame. How neat would it be to be able to fly with the wind, or birds, or maybe sail out and explore a few galaxies?!

Now before I start sounding too smug, I will say it's not death I fear, it's the dying. I can think of several ways I would rather not use to cross that threshold. OBE would be a pretty good option, really.

I guess what I'm trying to say in my stumbling fashion is maybe you should try and see each new experience, including OBE, as a new opportunity, and exploit it to the fullest! As Robert Bruce probably wouldn't say, "No worries, Mate, just go for it!" []

[shaman]

Hello Paul,

My first OBE was unvolontary and it happened while I was falling asleep long ago. I did not know at that time it was an OBE. I remember feeling the vibrations in my body and golden lights in my eyes and then felt I was kind of moving up. I started seeing my body under myself, laying on the bed. At the same moment I thougth I was DYING. Then I started drifting into the living room (where my deceased grand mother was sitting on the sofa) and then all of it turned into a dream. When I woke up the next morning I was sure I had dreamed of Dying. I knew that dying would feel the same. So in some sens you are right. Even when you read NDE narratives, the first part of the NDE is an OBE, similar to volontary OBE, so that YES there is a similarity. But it does not mean that OBE is leading to death.

On the other point, the radio, it happened to me that I dreamed I was in my car listening to the news on the radio and that the commentator was talking about a few hundred people dead from a bomb and that they were checking if the bomb was a dirty (nuclear) bomb. The place where the commentator was, was starting with and A and ending with an A but I could not make it (Alaska, A..A??). Then just a day later there was this bombing in Indonesia that killed several hundred people and I heard about it on the radio in the car, and the comentator was in Australia. So I would say that maybe I heard the radio, a premonitory radio, or I just had a premonitory flash as I often have from time to time.

Next time try to listen to hear what the radio stations are saying, maybe it is a premonitory flash...??

[mothernatura]

Thank you all!
Soulfire, I agree that may be it's my fear coloring the experience... but I guess it's not easy to overcome in my life...

My point is not the fear of death or a permanent OBE. My point is it's hard to distinguish an intuition trying to help you, from a suicide temptation, not because you choose suicide, but because you were so persistent to ignore a warning... We all should know that our "passage" will come at the right time, but you can also commit suicide (in different forms and lenghs) at any time of your life just because you decided it or just because you wasn't clear enough to solve a problem...And that would carry the consecuences of our beliefs...

Is not to be without a body what scares me, actually, I would prefer it, since I remember my life is so hard and heavy just because of the feeling of carrying this body... I'm also sure death is just an extended OBE and it sounds like a very natural process to me

So if I go forward and just die, for any unknown reason, I don't wan't to waste this hard 36 years, and to start over again just because I made a little mistake... I usually trust my intuitions... but I'm doubting for the las 23 years about this one... LOL...

It's clear no one will recomend me "do it" or "don't do it", but if someone else had gone thru this weird sensation before it could help...

[AndrewTheSinger]

On my first experiences I also thought I was gonna die if I crossed that certain point. I felt alot of pressure inside my head as if I was some meters underwater, this particular feeling made me think my head was going to explode or something if I kept pushing further. One time I decided to see it for myself and it turned out I didn't die hehe.

You can hear music while you're in trance, any song you want, just think of it and it will start playing in your head like if you're wearing headphones. Turn up the volume using your will and when it sounds clear and loud you know you're in a good trance and can apply some technique for separation in case you want to astral project. If you don't want then just listen to the songs it's pretty fun. After sometime there you naturally start seeing things (imagery) and have floating sensations, it is all pretty normal.

"I too once thought the radio played, let's act like children while we sleep paralyzed" ---  Dredg - Scissor Lock

[waterfall]

Hiya Paul,

After reading your posts a few more things have come to mind,
When a past life recall that was very important to this life was coming through...every time that I got into a really good meditative state...just before I would go into a trance state I would stop breathing. I would come out of it gasping for air and really cold. That really spooked me for a few years until I got to the point that I thought well, if It's time for me to cross over in this way...I guess it's time. The not breathing and gasping stopped happening gradually and what I found was a past life of being native and drowning. It actually opened up the book, so to speak of all of my past lives. I always remember the end first and then the life.

" I can even listen to my heart beating sooo strong and the breathing so short. My heart has nothing wrong. I just "know" I cannot/should not go further. This could also be just panic..."

The strong heart awareness and almost a hyper self feeling..as if everything is accelerating used to happen to me all of the time. It was strange that I as was trying to relax and let go..all of my body functions seemed to get so strong and fast but I think it's more a perception of what the body is doing as we seperate from it. Like a hyper awareness of everything including our bodies.

"I have satisfied myself believing it is as an "easy exit door" just installed for the day It could be to used to die... someone agree on this concept of "exit door"?"
Sure I have seen the imagery of an exit door. I use it when I do soul retrival work... disembodied spirits feel very comfortable seeing a door with the kight streaming from it...very friendly.
I feel that we see whatever we expect to see on our final crossing. The final crossing is different though. There is a definite detachment from the body. There is an awareness on the other side that we are coming over to be with the others there. The 'door' leads to another place. Where if you are going obe your not on a trip out there... you are actually moving your residence:) It's a very happy time when crossing over and you receive lots of help and guidance.


'I usually hear those astral noises...'
Your probably strong in clairaudiance and just naturally can hear things more than someone who is more visually orientated.  


'I started listening to radios, lets say 4 of them more or less, enough to distinguish separate but imposible to follow dialogs with'

When I started to develope in mediumship and channeling I would often hear the low rumble of many people talking as I was falling asleep. It sounded like they were having a deep conversation about different subjects. When I tried to 'tune into' what they were saying I would fall asleep:) but  as I tried the voices got louder and I realized that they were the voice of the entities that I would be in contact with as a channel.



'We all should know that our "passage" will come at the right time, but you can also commit suicide (in different forms and lenghs) at any time of your life just because you decided it or just because you wasn't clear enough to solve a problem...And that would carry the consecuences of our beliefs...'
I can tell you that you can try to commit a spiritual suicide but it's not done without the knowledge of what consequences will follow...and given the choice to go to the other side or stay here and complete whatever needs to be done for our own growth.
Consequences of our beliefs... it's a really good idea to look at what our beliefs are...about death, dying, punishment etc. As Seth says, its good to take a look at the monsters we create for example fears. Just as we create our realities here...we also do in our death. A good movie to watch is What Dreams May Come with Robin Williams. Its a good example of creating the realities we believe in on the other side. I don't agree with the concept of suicide in the movie, that people who do commit suicide are never to be saved.... that's just too silly:)and not my experience at all ...but if they stay in their depressed state upon crossing they can create their own 'hell'. If that happened I do believe that those on the other side would council the soul and bring them out of it though. In past lives I've commited suicide many times and I feel that many of us have as an experience for learning.

I feel the big thing is choice...we have freedom and choice in everything we do. Also the power of self. Most of us don't truly understand just how powerful and beautiful that we as humans ultimately are.

namaste
waterfall

[mothernatura]

Waterfall,

It's been so long since you reply me and never took the time to say thank you! I've been in a rush, my partner has been ill, and so on...

Your post gave me a BIG clue, I hadn't realized before, the sensation of stopping breathing migh be related with a drowning death memory.
I haven't had much experiences since my first post, but one was very curious, because I felt good. I was dreaming, really don't know if I was flying, floating or swiming, and then the sensation of sinking and drowning started (in the dream) and a kind of OBE started. As all of you said, I tried not to panic, so the dream became a conscious and slight and short OBE and I sweetly come back to an awake state, very comforted indeed.

Then I recalled that there has been in the past lots of times where this kind of sinking in a dream started a kind of concious OBE that ended waking me up. So I feel it more clearly like a recalling of a drowning death, and that kind of OBE seems to be "the final OBE" of that previous life...

Next time it happens I'll try to look at the experience like observer of a memory instead of an actual OBE, there must be more info about it.

Thank you. Paul

[jc84corvette]

When I have my first OBE and later explore it more, I will get that feeling to. You just have to say to your self that you are alive, you are fine and remove that negative thought.[]

[mothernatura]

Hello, I'm new here and this may be a very primitive question to you... this could have already answered in Astral Dynamics, but I just discovered the book and haven't ordered it yet...

I've been having some kind of spontaneus primitive OBE since I was a teenage, never advanced into it because it was scary...

Has anyone been in hard time trying to find out if you were just having an out of the body experience, or were just about die?

I mean I don't need to be convinced about OBE experiencies because it usually happens to me...

But I feel "death" (not a very representative word), astral proyection, apnea, heart attack, etc, may be very closely related... I would like to buy in a future one of those EEG, ECG, EMG, etc  electronic units used for meditation purposes just to see if I discover more correlations...

My often and small OBE experiences are sometimes kind of scary... I know there a lot of factors that may produce it (bad energy, spirits, heavy diggestion, fears, abductions, etc). On the exit I Always feel I'm about to die, I can even listen to my heart beating sooo strong and the breathing so short. My heart has nothing wrong. I just "know" I cannot/should not go further. This could also be just panic...

I have satisfied myself believing it is as an "easy exit door" just installed for the day It could be to used to die... someone agree on this concept of "exit door"?

I usually hear those astral noises...  that kind of strong wind or whistling... much more real than the material world. Thinking what they could be I guess it's the consciousness tearing apart some kind of membranes that separates our levels as we keep moving into... any opinion?

The other I heard something new, It didn't scared me but never thought about something like this... Well... here I go... I started listening to radios, lets say 4 of them more or less, enough to distinguish separate but imposible to follow dialogs with background music and all, it sounded like the poor AM transmitions, the experience lasted some seconds and I prayyyyyed cause I just needed they say the radio slogan to wake up fast, turn a radio on and try to tune that frequence to check it, but they didn't say it. So no checking.... I was not dreaming, it happened just when separation started, it wasn't just a voice, I'm "sure" it was a radio. I always considered myself very sensitive to EM fields, but "tunning" a frequency/several frequencies together is a complex electronic thing... Since a kid I heard when the ultrasound generated by a TV's when connected, but nobody near me seems to listen to it... and this never happened to me before... weird isn't it?

Regards. Paul.