The Energy Body and Energy Theory

[distant bell]

To touch the philosophic question about what knowledge and truth is..
It is wery hard to define some things as true or untrue. After all in the idealistic worldwiev you canno´t know that anything then your own mind is relly existing. And who can prowe that we are not just living in a fake fantasy existense like in the matrix? I don´t belive this- but it´s impossible to counter prove it! But I do belive that reality is wery subjective, and more important that there are parts af reality that are depending on our own belifes. After all, all magickal ork is done on the ,mentale plane and is totaly dependent on our belif in it. So in one way it is wery real, but in another way it´s not real in the same sense as other things in the physicall world. But the important thing is that it works- magick works. I feel the same way about different energy raising methods- perhaps they will never be possible to prov to exist objectivly- but that dosn´t matter wery much as long as they are real for the individual and actually work.  

Felix

-- Love is the Law - Love under Will --

[kifyre]

Hmm, for me it's not really a question of objective truth, I suppose. I'll make two statements, and then I'll explain:

"The map is not the territory."

"Truth is a map for reality."

The first statement is a warning, not to confuse our labels and diagrams and abstractions for the true underlying reality. The word "chakra", or "primary energy center," are both abstractions of integrated structures and processes.

The second statement basically means that, there's an underlying reality, the way things really are, regardless of our "truth."

That does not mean truth is relative though. Everyone's truth is as good as any other, except when you're be pragmatic.

If one person says the human body is made of cheese, that's fine. If another person describes something called "chi" and can knock me over with a flick of his wrist, I'll be more inclined to listen to the second guy.

Truth, for me, is a pragmatic affair. I'm looking for conceptual frameworks that are self-consistent and extensible, that allow me to make accurate predictions.

That's my philosophy. A mix of general semantics, the scientific method, and some other random stuff. http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/images/icon_Smile.gif" border=0>

Mark

[distant bell]

yeah I agree with you- who would listen to a guy going around claiming that his body is made of chees lol - but then again when I tell people about the etheric body and that it seems to me that it is easily worked with and manipulated- like with the NEW system- most people look at me as if I would have said that my body was made of chees! but hey, that´s life.

It is an interesting question how the realtion between the physiacll and the energy body is. I belive that the energy body can have a great effect on the physicall one. But I still belive that the physicall body can do things on it´s own too ( get sick for example..)
How strong the effect on the physicall body by the energy body is probably depends on how much one works with the energy body -
how strong the energyn body is.

Felix

-- Love is the Law - Love under Will --

[kifyre]

(This was originally posted in "The Meaning of Sex," but I snagged it and put it here before anyone could reply.)

quote:Originally posted by Adept_of_Light:
[It is this concept of interconnection between the physical and the Astral which allows for the explanation of Energy Healing such as Reiki and Pranic among others. The healing of the physical body via the astral is possible via these interconnection points. If the Astral/Chakra body was completely separate from the physical, energy healing would not work at all. This is also why our physical health also reflects in the appearance of our Aura.

I don't think this is the complete picture. (I'm not saying you do either, of course.)

I do agree there are obvious connection points. There seems to be a one-to-one correspondence between the chakras and the endocrine system. There also seems to be a correspondence between nerve clusters and secondary energy centers. So, there seems to be a complicated energy body within the complicated physical body, and they interact. Some people even claim that all physical illness is the result of energy body imbalances. I don't think this is likely because when I got an almost-broken bone, for example, I felt an energy blockage in this area. I would personally like to assume that the energetic body completely governs the physical body--it would be comforting to me--but it's quite a sweeping claim that shouldn't be automatically assumed. Certainly they influence each other, and healing one side would dramatically influence the other.

Another thing that confuses me is that the energy body has structure. Within this structure is more energy. We move it up and down, push it out of our hands, feel it. How is "loose" energy different from the structure of the energy body? How is this structure maintained? We have bones, tissue, and skin, and fluid such as blook flows through this structure. Maybe the energetic situation is analogous.

So, what is the mechanism for the energy body to interact with physical reality? I personally think it's through quantum uncertainty. Until a particle is observed, some of its attributes are undefined. There is an inherent randomness and uncertainty in the fabric of physical reality. Experiments by the PEAR group [http://www.princeton.edu/~pear/], for example, have determined that human consciousness has a small but statistically significant effect on probabalistic events. It has been proven that human consciousness affects reality. (Also see Reinventing Medicine by Larry Dossey(?)) I personally believe that this manipulation of reality, the manifestation of human will, is through quantum uncertainty. A whole bunch of random events, instead of canceling each other out, line up to our will, and miracles happen.

Internal neuron function in the brain is still unexplained. It has been hypothesized that quantum effects, electron tunneling, determine whether neurons fire. (Physics of Consciousness, by Evan Walker) Perhaps our eternal consciousness manifests on a physical level through quantum effects in the human brain. Maybe we control our bodies through quantum effects.

To jump back to healing... Given quantum mechanics, it is physically possible (though infinitesimely probable) that the chair I'm sitting on now could disappear from under me and reappear five feet to my right, causing me to fall to the ground. The length of time to go by for this to actually have a high probability of occuring is as long as several lifetimes of the universe, but it's possible. I think this "anything can happen" reality is how healing can take place. I think energy might be likened in some way to "potential." The more energy we have, and the more focused our will, the greater the "probabalistic override" of reality.

In any case, I'm rambling now. So many holes and inconsistencies, but it's a start. http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/images/icon_Smile.gif" border=0> Anyone have differing paradigms and opinions?

Mark

P.S. What if energy doesn't really "flow like water?" What if, as we move our awareness around, we're creating weird reality fluctuations that cause sensations in our nerves, and makes our brain do funny things? That doesn't explain all the spontaneous buzzing activity I get. And, there really does seem to be structure... And there really is a flowing "feeling." But it's so weird that we can lump this stuff up and push it around with our minds. I like it, but I can't make sense of it. You can't bunch up electric current and push it around. I guess it's a bad analogy.

Mark