Theory about hybrid dream/OBE experiences

[ralphm]

question-was there any difference in all the scenes such as hearing a wind sound, awareness, ect?
the obe dreams i have had have all been in different houses than what i live in. sometimes i think i go out of body then switch to a dream- i have the vibrations, get out and go through walls( with a certain tactile feeling which i have not duplicated in dreams), then it gets foggy like a dream. so i think the states can be really mixed up. the clue for me to begin to sort them out has been certain tactile differences.  
also when i obe i always wake up right afterwards, rarely do dreams wake me up.

[nitetravler]

Hi Kodemaster!  Sounds like an experience that OBE writer Bill Buhlman speaks of in his book 'Adventure's Beyond the Body'.  In fact he devotes considerable time explaining why we see things differently when we are awake as compared to the OBE state.  If you can get this book I highly recommend it.  It will explain this puzzling phenomenon.  I could try to explain it, but believe me, you'd be a heck of a lot more confused.

A man's reach should exceed his grasp, or else what's Heaven for?
-Robert Browning

[Kodemaster]

quote:Originally posted by ralphm:
question-was there any difference in all the scenes such as hearing a wind sound, awareness, ect?
the obe dreams i have had have all been in different houses than what i live in. sometimes i think i go out of body then switch to a dream- i have the vibrations, get out and go through walls( with a certain tactile feeling which i have not duplicated in dreams), then it gets foggy like a dream. so i think the states can be really mixed up. the clue for me to begin to sort them out has been certain tactile differences.  
also when i obe i always wake up right afterwards, rarely do dreams wake me up.

All the scenes except for the flying one were definitely a dream. I didn't hear any wind sounds. When I was yanked out of my body there was a rush sensation; there was probably some sound but I don't remember.

I've had what you experienced, too. I feel and see myself come out, and then end up in a house different than mine. I believe it's a form of low level astral projection, compared to what I described above which I believe was partly in the real-time zone. If the dream portion comes first and it ends on the OBE portion, I have body entrance sensations. If it starts off on the OBE portion, I have exit sensations.

Take care,

Jeni

[Kodemaster]

I had another grey area dream/OBE this morning, and I want to share a theory on it.

This one was as true to life as could be. It started off as a regular dream with a number of dream events (I think I was at the doctor's, then I was driving, etc.) Then I find myself standing in my bathroom (which looks realistic, but is still a dream at this point. I find myself trying to project, but having a hard time and thinking I won't. I try to project a different way and next thing I know, I'm flying out the bathroom window!

I'm now outside, and everything looks very real. I'm floating around the house, thinking "wow, I'm actually doing it!" and noticing how easy it is once I'm out. It feels completely real at this point. I float around to the back of the house and decide to try and notice something inside to try and remember when I go back to consciousness. I think about my parents, and how they might be inside watching TV. I float inside the living room, and they're both watching TV, along with the dog. The dog perks up and notices me, and I decide to make myself really aware and go back into my body. At that point, I am immediately sucked back into my body. I wake up, and look around for my Mom, to see if she's watching TV. She's not, but i find her outside doing someting. At this point, everything looks "made up" and I'm in a dream again. We talk about some weird topic and we're in some weird place.

Next thing I know, I wake up for real. I go into the living room to see if Mom and Dad are in there, but they're not. Aside from that detail, everything else was accurate, right down to the weather, the appearance of the house and the sunlight outside!

I know that part of this experience was definitely a dream. I have a theory about the other part of it. Can we project so closely to the real-time zone, that everything around us looks completely real, yet be able to conjure up a few things and see them, just like in the astral proper?

Depending on the density of the realm we're in, and the amount of energy we have, I believe we can project in the real-time zone and the astral at the same time, and go back and forth between these zones and dreams.

What do you guys think?

Take care and thank you very much,

~*Jeni*~