Premenition?

[PyroPsion69]

IMHO pot messes with your head, I wouldn't necessarily count any visions or possible psychic notations on it. I don't see how it can increase your psychic sensitivity at all, it kills brain cells, which last time I checked were helpful. And wall outlet power won't kill you I've gotten zapped accidentally many times and I'm still here, its actualy kinda fun in a twisted sort of way.

[Logic]

Who said anything about pot? I used a shamanic plant.

[shaman]

You must know how much to "use" and be experienced, not just a "trial"... deja-vu happens here and there ... electricity can electrocute you, or if you touch only one metal tooth of the plug and are insulated from the ground, your body will be charged with electricity, your hair will rise above your head, and you might be able to create sparks... I would believe that you rather were slightly electrocuted, because it lasted only a few seconds. If it was due to "shamanic" herbs, it would last a few hours .... My brother once was electrocuted "gently", in that sens that he got charged but the current did not "pass" tru him, he thought I was tickeling him in his hair until he realised he was alone and his "charged" hair was erected because of the repulsive electrostatic force.

Next time try to get there with your dreams....

Use common plantain (its a weed in your garden, the most common one!) to stop bleeding and against insect bites...

take an infusion of chamomille, with lemon verbena and and lemon balm... that will calm you down before sleeping...

Have a good dinner with plantain and dandelion leaves...

try incense instead of smoking, e.g. : 3 parts sandalwood + 3 parts benzoin (styrax) + one part Dittany of Crete (oregano dictamnus) + one part mugwort; burn a small amount in the room to aid projecting...

A sens of deja vu can be obtained also when someone gets hurt. It happened to me when I once seized solding iron (for electronics) from the hot iron part (i was too tired apparently to continue working) and the first thing I felt was not pain but kind of a strange feeling as if I was there but also was not there, as if I was just a witness and not taking part in what was going on, almost detached from what was happening so strong that it was like a deja-vu, then I dropped the iron and got ice to hold in the palm of my hand. That was enough for the day and I went home.

So be carefull of the new technology of this world, it is not like in the old days unfortunately....

[Logic]

But I never did touch the metal part, I was never hurt myself. I forsaw some one else being hurt though in the position I was in, possibly trying to plug it back in but accidentally touching the metal plug. Also, do you know where I might be able to find mugwart?

[shaman]

as a start try here ... mugwort

http://botanical.com/botanical/mgmh/m/mugwor61.html

You might want to either check a "herborist" store, or ancyclopedia of herbs, or someone who can show you the plant in the wild. It is probably more of a weed today, so some experience gardener or plants 'dealer' might know too. You might also try to find seeds in the market. The thing is that if you never saw that plant before you might have difficulty finding the real one in your garden. The easiest way is to go to a New Age store or WIcca, etc.. and find the incens or the herb. Though they might charge you a "special" prices for that...

That's an interesting vision you had. You might have been extremely sensitive at the same moment at being electrocuted yourself and would have brought the vision through that fear of being electrocuted, not sure. Good for yourself you did not get electrocuted.

[PyroPsion69]

quote:Originally posted by Logic

I smoked a good deal of salvia one day with my friends

Oh wow I feel like the stoned one now...I thought you had typed sativa...woo I must have been out of it that other day. Still I think that the human brain works best when no foreing chemicals are floating around it.

[Tony M.]

It's easier for me to make contact with my subconscious (spelling ok?) when I'm high of pot or hash. I think this is because you don't have a lot of thoughts going through your mind all the time and this makes it easier to contact the subconscious.

[Logic]

shaman: yeah, I've been dieing to get a hold of some mugwort, but no luck so far..

usually "drugs" further enhance preformance of the brain, such as pot and hash, quite the opposite of what you said tony, Infact pot AND hash help you to think faster, giving you more rapid and vivid thoughts as well as using parts of the brain you normally wouldn't use (as opposed to the killing of braincells as people would have you believe.)

[beavis]

shaman If it was due to "shamanic" herbs, it would last a few hours ....

The half-life of the effects of smoked salvia is about 3 minutes.

[Nagual]

quote:usually "drugs" further enhance preformance of the brain

You could say instead that it "loosen up" the mind's grip...  A bit like drinking helps to loosen up when you are shy...

[Logic]

But drinking just kills braincells and slaughters your liver.. Alcohal is posion to humans.

[shaman]

Hey Beavis,

Thanks for informing about that "saliva" thing...

Real Shamans (not like me, just a dreamer...) are in state of extasy for very long. These are very long "ceremonies" where the Shaman eventually leaves his body to "go to work" (e.g. tries to catch back the spirit of the dying person, etc...). So that's what I was refering to.

As to herbs and weeds, I either eat them (see enclosed avatar for details...) or at most I used them as incens... I never intoxicate myself with anything... I reach the "other world" only during dreams, lucid or not, and take my "information" from there....

Shaman The Dreamer

[Tony M.]

I explain the way pot or hash effects your thoughts by emphasizing the difference between being high or stoned. When I started smoking pot I almost always got high, which means I could think faster. Nowadays I just get stoned of pot which means my thought process is slowed down. Hash gets me high though and it makes me think faster.

[shaman]

Hey Jongen, Hoe gaat het ?

you remind me of the people I was with when I did a French Baccalaureat. They would get high like you and then study for the final test. One of them was proud to tell me that in that way he was able to remember all what was in the book of geography/history (a large volume) after he closed it and finished reading/studying it. Well, I was able to reach that state but without the 'hash', just by concentrating. Or this other guy was explaining me how "smoking" helps him to play guitar, that he can actually hear the music he plays and moves forward and backward in the music, a little bit as if time was elastic, that would unable him to play and improvise better, as he would be aware of the notes that were played much before, etc... Again, with only concentration, it is possible to reach the same state. The 'high' state that you describe is a state of mind that can be reached naturally without the aid of any other "ingredient". And of course t'is the same for OBE.

Shaman The Dreamer

[Tony M.]

Met mij is alles goed, met jou?
Everything is ok here, how's it over there?

I know you're right and I'm not trying to promote drugs but it was just something I noticed. And sometimes it's easier to smoke a joint and be spiritual then when you have to concentrate in order to be spiritual.

By the way, I don't smoke as much weed and hash as I did a couple of years ago. It's just not as fun as it used to be. Damn, I'm getting old..

[Logic]

I smoked a good deal of salvia one day with my friends, its a shamanistic psychadelic non-psychoactive. I had gone inside after finishing off a bowl, and sat down in my friends computer chair. I turned around to see a loose plug almost falling out of an outlet. I went to put it back in just to be safe, and as soon as I touched it, I felt an overwhelming sense of deja vu. I felt some one being electricuted or burned by the loose cord in the outlet, and felt some weird energy emmiting from the wall, it lasted about 3 or 4 seconds, then I returned to my normal mindset.