I think that I was astral traveling...HELP!

Van-Stolin · October 13, 2003, 17:41:49

Well, I am not very experienced, but the reason you couldn't see might have been that you wern't focused enough. Sometimes if you demand to have sight you will be able to see. The voice repeating your prayers might have been your spirit guide. Since they are of Astral they might have a higher connection to God and be able to tell your prayer to him, but that is only my guess. Hope you have better experiences in the future.

GhostGirlyNY · October 13, 2003, 18:13:17

Thank you so much for the reply! I had thought that the voice might have been my spirit guide. If so, I am even more intrigued, because I have always tried to get in touch with him/her/it. I really want to learn to project, but I'm pretty scared.[V] I was very tense and frightened throughout the experience, so my lack of sight could have been due to not being focused enough. Thanks again!

Anybody else have some insight?

Centa Five · October 13, 2003, 21:57:42

Not being able to see is a fairly common condition experienced by new projectors on their first couple of exits. I understand that this problem is largely due to a lack of energy flowing into the projected double. Much of this information is explained in Robert Bruce's book Astral Dynamics which is a terrific read. You might try just asking for your sight as many times this will work.. Good luck.

Centa Five

Tenacious · October 14, 2003, 00:13:39

GG-

I must say that I also dream in color. Most people I have talked to about it say that they do not dream in color. About those voices you heard- I have also heard some, but they didn't repeat anything I said. Instead, they sounded as if I was in a train station, and everyone was speaking directly to me. I was told that it is normal to hear voices/things when entering an AP state, but I'm not sure about returning to your body. Good luck in your travels.

GhostGirlyNY · October 15, 2003, 19:14:09

First off, thanks so much to everybody for your insight and advice...I really appreciate it!

Okay, an update:

I am continuing to have "astral" experiences that I am neither attempting to have nor WANTING to have. To be perfectly honest, they're starting to terrify me to a point where I don't feel comfortable going to sleep without a light on. I know that I am only afraid of the unknown, but I'm just not ready for all of this right now. I have never meditated, and I have never tried to project, so why am I fully conscious of these things? Once again, any advice would be greatly appreciated!

Thanks for making me feel like I'm completely normal, because nobody else seems to understand.

alt0xFF · October 15, 2003, 22:59:24

Looking at your name, ending with NY I thought you might be from NYC area, so I was thinking we could meet up and have a chat (hmm... a certain ongoing thread in this forum comes to mind... anyway).

If you feel scared, your only choice is to get some books on the subject, as fear is effectively eliminated by knowledge. Look up the following authors on Amazon: R. Monroe, R. Bruce, W. Buhlmann.

You are saying you are not wanting to project. Well, you're in a wrong place then, because most people here want exactly the opposite [B)][

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Remember: happy thoughts no matter what! [

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Centa Five · October 16, 2003, 12:40:43

What kind of "Astral" experiences are you having that have gotten you so scared? Are they sounds, images, etc.? Most of these distractions can be scary if you aren't really concentrating on the practice and have a clear mind. You might indeed find meditation of great value as it will assist you in maintaining a clear mind. It won't be easy, but with practice. you will find yourself in a stronger position when it comes to projecting. Most people have a problem with focusing on one thing for a long time, their thoughts are scattered, and they allow their subconscious egos to rule them while their true consciousness stands in the background and is ignored. If you practice staying awake and aware and focused on each task during the day then your mind will be better organized and equiped to clear away a lot of these endless thought patterns and negative habits. The practice can bring on lots of sounds and often dream imagery so you must stay focused on your visualization or mantra or whatever focus point you are using. Hang in there and work this thru with regular practice and once you experience your first projection these fears will disolve. Take care and good luck.

jc84corvette · October 16, 2003, 19:51:53

AP's are scary for the first time.

GhostGirlyNY · October 17, 2003, 12:39:05

Once again, thanks to everybody! I really appreciate your responses...

alt, I am actually from Upstate New York, but perhaps we could chat online sometime. I am probably quite far from where you live, as I am in the very Western part of the state.

Centa, the experiences that are scaring me are the images and sounds. It's all been very fuzzy up to this point, and when things aren't clear, they can be very intimidating. I will definitely look into everybody's suggestions, though!

I think that I'm making progress, though...

I had another experience today. I tend to have them as I am just beginning to go to sleep, especially when I'm only napping. I laid down for a nap slightly before noon. I didn't write down my experience right away, so the beginning of it is not very clear to me. The first thing that I can recall is feeling the sensations and praying to God for sight. I usually just pray to return to my body in fear, but I decided to face that fear today. After praying for sight, an image of what looked like a couch started to come in, but once I could see clearly, I realized that it was a bed with a navy blue and white checkered bedspread. There is a pink bedspread on my bed, so I became frightened once again and "closed my eyes" before seeing whether or not there was a person in the bed. I then "woke up" in my own bedroom, or so I thought. After trying to move and discovering that I was paralyzed, I knew that I had not actually returned to my physical body. I've gotten to this point before, and I'm never able to move. I asked for movement, and the weirdest feelings took over my body. I could DEFINITELY feel my body moving in the way that I wanted it to move, particularly my arms and upper body. At one point, I almost felt as though my body were sliding right off of the bed, but my physical body NEVER moved. Does this mean that I actually managed to project? I still think that I was stuck between the two worlds, because I wasn't able to fully get out of bed and move around. I really can't describe it. I also recall looking at the clock and seeing that it said 1:55, which freaked me out, because I thought, "Oh no! I slept through my alarm." So, this experience was obviously very real. I laid in bed for a few moments, struggling to move and feeling as though I was, but never moving out of the bed. I finally became frustrated, and I immediately woke up for real and saw that it was only 12:05. Freaky stuff! What should I make of it?

Jeff_Mash · October 17, 2003, 14:36:09

Hey there, Girly!

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Originally posted by GhostGirlyNY
I could DEFINITELY feel my body moving in the way that I wanted it to move, particularly my arms and upper body. At one point, I almost felt as though my body were sliding right off of the bed, but my physical body NEVER moved. Does this mean that I actually managed to project?

Yes, you were projecting. Congratulations! I know that sometimes, vision is one of the hardest things to get. At least it was for me. The trick is to stay calm, and like you said, just face those fears. You'll end up laughing once you get good and see that you were only scaring yourself this whole time!

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I still think that I was stuck between the two worlds, because I wasn't able to fully get out of bed and move around. I really can't describe it.

I know exactly what you're talking about. You knew that you were controlling your astral body, but you didn't have much control. That's perfectly normal in the beginning.

The more relaxed you become, the easier it is to progress and move away from the physical body.

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I also recall looking at the clock and seeing that it said 1:55, which freaked me out, because I thought, "Oh no! I slept through my alarm." So, this experience was obviously very real. I laid in bed for a few moments, struggling to move and feeling as though I was, but never moving out of the bed. I finally became frustrated, and I immediately woke up for real and saw that it was only 12:05. Freaky stuff! What should I make of it?

I wouldn't trip too much on the time thing. You'll find that when you're projecting and you try and look at any things like headlines, clocks, books, etc., that things almost always look different. Clocks may say a different time (since time doesn't really exist in the astral), and text may look garbled or twisted around, like you've got some form of astral dyslexia!

Congrats again!

Centa Five · October 17, 2003, 18:24:02

Good work!! I agree with Jeff, it sounds to me that you did project. The paralysis indicates that your physical body was indeed asleep and that your astral body was in transition and when you slid off the bed you were definitely out. All you had to do at that point was to get the heck away from your physical body by flying or whatever quick way you could think to escape the immediate area before your physical body could pull you back in which evidently happened that time. Each time you'll get better at it. Your fear of projecting may still be trying to hold you back but since you faced up to it and won last time, you certainly won't allow it to influence you again. Just remember that your Astral body travels to the Astral everynight when you dream and it always comes back. Take care, and good luck with the next ones.

GhostGirlyNY · October 20, 2003, 15:32:23

You guys are great!

Thanks so much for making me feel like there's not something wrong with me. As I've said before, I can't tell my friends or family about this. I tried to talk to my dad about it, and he told me that I was just sleeping/dreaming. He doesn't understand it completely, and that's fine. I can't really expect him to. Now that I've seen that the astral world looks exactly as it does in the physical world, I'm not very frightened. I believe that I can finally relax, and I hope to have some more experiences. I am about to read up on techniques for projecting. Thanks again to everybody, and I will be keeping you updated!

PS: Very interesting about the time, headlines, etc. in the astral. It definitely explains why the clock was different!

GhostGirlyNY · October 20, 2003, 17:46:11

A quick question:

When I am fully awake, I can concentrate on the thought of my astral body removing from my physical body, and I feel VERY minor, gentle sensations. Is it possible to project while awake? I remember reading a book about ghosts and spirits that have not yet crossed over. The author said that, in order to see thge spirits, one needs to be completely open to that plane and that we need to be at higher vibrations than "regular" people. While attempting to achieve that state, I realized that I can cause those minor vibrations in my body. Does this have anything to do with astral projection?

Nagual · October 21, 2003, 02:44:45

I don't think that his higher vibrations state relates to the vibrations you feel when you OBE...

Centa Five · October 21, 2003, 13:27:55

To answer your question as to if you can project while your body is still awake, the answer is no. However, it is technicaly possible, but is very rare. Some people can meditate on an object and reach a deep trance state and project their astral body into that object while their physical body is still sitting there supposedly still appearing to be awake but it is actually asleep. So, the answer is still no, but visualizing your astral body separating from your physical body can be very productive. As for the vibration question, everything and everyone vibrates at certain frequency levels on the physical plane and at the higher planes and dimensions the vibration levels are higher and they are able to see/sense beings that are not visible to us at our vibrational levels. It is difficult for me to explain in any great detail but you may want to check the Search engine on this site for previous posts regarding vibrational levels. Keep up the good work and keep experimenting!

GhostGirlyNY · October 28, 2003, 15:08:13

Hey again! I haven't been here in quite some time, but I had a REALLY weird experience this afternoon, and I wanted to ask for your opinions. Let me preface by explaining that I actually have two "homes" and two bedrooms. Most of the time, I live in my dorm at school. The rest of the time, I live at home with my parents. This afternoon, I was still asleep from the night before, and I started to experience the astral sensations immediately following a dream. I felt my asral body being lifted out of my physical body, and it actually slid right off of the bed. BUT when I slid off of the bed, I was in my bedroom at home, even though I was actually asleep in my dorm room. Once out of bed, I looked back at the bed, but my physical body was not there (which makes sense, because it was actually 75 miles away at my school). I tried to jump into the air and was greeted by the sensation of floating. I found that I had to concentrate somewhat to keep my body floating or flying. It often worked better when I closed my eyes. I was able to push right through physical objects as well, and this was done with ease. I floated downstairs and saw my mom, whom was heading back to work from her lunch break. I tried to speak to her, and she completely ignored me. I remember thinking, "Wow, she's not even looking at me, right in front of her face." I then floated into my parent's room, where my dad was sitting down at the computer with what looked like a bag of chips. I also tried to speak to him, but it didn't work. He didn't even look up. My memory after this isn't too clear, but I just remember being pulled back into my physical body and soon after, if not immediately, waking up in my dorm room. I just called my mom, and I asked her if she had gone home for lunch. She said "yes," so I asked her if she had been there at all while my dad was there. Once again, she said "yes," so I asked her if he had sat down at the computer while she was there. This is where it's kind of weird. She said "no," but then she asked my dad, and he said that he had gone on the computer as soon as she left, and in my "dream," she WAS leaving to go back to work. I told her to ask himif he was eating, and he said "no" at first, but then he said, "Oh, wait...I was! I was eating cheese curls." So, everything seemed fairly accurate. I'm just very confused. Once again, your input would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!

Jeff_Mash · October 28, 2003, 15:21:40

Congrats, GhostGirly. Sounds like a successful OBE to me! Isn't it wonderful?

I am impressed at how many verifiable things you were able to confirm, like your mom and dad being in the same location that you saw them, and your dad confirming the chips you saw you him eating.

However, don't be too alarmed when you project and see things that aren't there. For example, it wouldn't be uncommon to see your mom in her house....and then when you call to verify, it turns out that she was no where near the house at that time. Little inconsistencies like that are quite common in the astral.

Anyway, I think your post was great. And if you didn't download it already, I welcome you to check out this program I wrote which allows you to store your OBE journal entry inside of it, and it will then calculate graphs which help you analyze all your experiences at once. Just see the link in my signature. This current OBE of yours is a perfect example of what I designed it for!

GhostGirlyNY · October 13, 2003, 14:20:54

Hello! I just want to start off by saying that I ALWAYS dream in color, and I am very good at remembering my dreams. I've had many "visits" from deceased relatives, including many whom I have never met in the physical plane. I have also had premonitions in my dreams. Many mornings (and sometimes when I doze off in class), I wake up with a sense of paralysis over my entire body. At first, I thought that it had to be a medical condition, but after reading several of Sylvia Browne's books, I realized that it was due to the fact that my spirit had not yet returned from astral travel. A few weeks ago, I had a dream about a man who told me that he was my great, great uncle on my father's side. After talking with him for a moment, I felt the astral sensations, which I can only describe as an intense tingling. It is not a painful tingling like that of when the foot falls asleep, but it is very strong. The vibrations are so strong, in fact, I feel them lifting me right away from my body. That was the first time that I recalled feeling the astral sensations, but I knew what they were. I woke up after that. After describing the man in my dream to my father, he told me that it was most definitely my great, great Uncle Frank. I even recalled the detail that he wouldn't stop laughing, which my dad confirmed was very much something that Frank would do. This morning, I was laying on my side in bed, studying for an exam. I began to doze off, and I started to dream that I was walking down a flight of stairs. All of a sudden, I felt those familiar astral sensations, and my body was no longer walking down the stairs. It was gliding and then flying. It looked as though someone were in front of me, gliding as well. Although I could not see his face, I had a feeling that he was a young man with long dark hair. I also got the sense that he was a fighter or warrior of some type, as crazy as that may sound. Thoroughly freaked out, I woke myself up. As I dozed off again, I began to dream that I was driving on an expressway. I pulled over on the side of the road to sleep. In the dream, I was scared that another car was going to crash into me, but then I reminded myself that I was actually asleep in ,y bed at home and had nothing to worry about. (That was very odd in itself) A moment later, I felt the astral sensations again, but they were much stronger this time. The feelings were intense, and I knew that I had been pulled away from my physical body. Upon opening my eyes, I saw nothing but a bright "tan" light and realized that I couldn't move a muscle. Maybe I was stuck between the two worlds? Although intrigued, I became very frightened and closed my eyes once again. I prayed to God to please give me a safe return to my body. As I was praying, I heard several voices overlapping each other. The most vivid was of a whispering man, who was repeating my prayers after I thought them. I felt my spirit being sucked back into my body, and I woke up in my bed. This is so intriguing to me, but I am still a little scared and confused. I haven't even told any of my friends about it for fear that they'll think I'm nuts. Please help me out here! What happened to me? Why couldn't I see anything when I opened my eyes? Why was that voice repeatingmy prayers? Thanks in advance!

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