Need help to understand troubling experience

[kakkarot]

you mentioned you were praying. what were you praying for?

i went through something "like" this. only mine didn't last for a mere few minutes. and it wasn't anywhere near as fast. way back when i was fourteen or so, i got baptized and started praying to God to help me understand his Will. i prayed quite a lot and after a few months, i started learning things that i shouldn't have known. not specific things about the world as it is now, but general things about the universe and time and life and many other things.

but it wasn't a download, either. it was more that, what ever i turned my mind to trying to understand, the understanding of it just unfolded before me.

this continued for the next, approx, two years. does this liken to what happened with you?

~kakkarot

Secret of Secrets

[Sylvain]

Thanks for your generous reply, fellow Canadian Kakkarot.

What kind of prayers?

I was raised a Christian. So I did the Lord's prayer, for example.

But the prayers almost became meditations as I was asking for more knowledge about my destiny, the reason behind our existence, and so forth. I also prayed and meditated a lot so that I could follow the right path and accomplish something positive with my life. So most of those prayers weren't really dogmatic formulas of any sort.

The only notable exception was the "prayer" I used before going to sleep to program my dreams. It was basically a French formula saying that I recognized that I was more than a physical entity and that as an immaterial being i was able to communicate with other immaterial beings, then asking for a very wise and loving soul to act as a mentor and teach me the meaning of (insert whatever you want to know about in there)  during a dream, then to wake me up at the end of the dream and guide me through understanding in detail the symbolism and meaning of the dream.

I started this technique two times in the week prior to the "download" and the results were fascinating. I woke up both times at 4:44 am, each time at the end of the dream as I had asked. The contents of those (visually and symbolically) very rich dreams were directly related to the things I was praying to be be taught to me. The dreams were literally explained to me as I was guided through the symbols present in those dreams. No voice was heard from my "guide", nothing had to be expressed. It was like the dream was put on a videocassette with playback and zooming capacities and every important visual became self-explanatory.

The way the information was explained was really similar -- albeit much smoother -- to what I experienced during the overwhelming experience I got through when my upper energy center opened. That's why I think both events could be related.

Is this related to your experience?

Don't know. In a way we both got what we were asking and praying for: knowledge about existential and universal "thruths". Your experience seemed to last longer and go much smoother, to say the least!  )

But since my experience was associated with strong energetic sensations within two of my primary chakras (top head + solar plexus), I was wondering if anybody ever heard of those "outbursts" of knowledge. Can this be associated with an uncontrolled kundalini ? Or any other energy- or psi-phenomenon I do not know about ?

Any clue you guys have will be quite appreciated!

Thanks!

Sylvain

[waterfall]

Hiya Sylvain and fellow Canadian also:)
A few thoughts...
I have a friend who has many life changing events in the bathtub. He even had a major healing by a column of yellow light entering into his solar plexus while relaxing in the bathtub. ! I would not tell others to try this because if you did lose consciousness you might go under the water! ....but we're thinking that it might have something to do with the metal surrounding him...or even the warm water and the state of relaxation that you may achieve that way.

"Spirit wants you to know that it was simply time for you to start into this portion of your lifes path. the timing had to do with the seperation as that was part of your life/karmic path to leave so that you would be able to process this new energy. The fact was that it was time..preset and not a fluke or a wierd happening. the questions that you were asking cannot be delivered with easy, simple answers.. "

I had to giggle at this message for you...

You do have spirit guides who can regulate the energy as it is channeled to you. You can even visualize a large funnel over your head where the download comes into and then slows down as it works its way through the funnel. I would definitely say carry on just be very gentle with yourself. You have total control over everything that happens to you and if it feels too intense.. just say outloud or in your head...slow it down!! and it will.
We all process and become infused with knowledge/energies in ways that are comfortable or natural might be a better word:) in your case.  What happened is that your crown chakra opened up really wide and accepted all of this energy. I've seen some peoples crowns open up to 6 to 8 feet across after doing a lot of healing/learning work...just like a halo. You just weren't prepared for what happened and it sort of numbs your awareness. It also sounds like it was meant to have a big impact and a lasting change in your thoughts patterns and experience. I imagine that you have extensive past life experience in healing arts or in trance channeling.. something that would require large energy infusions and this past experience became active.

hope this helps:)
love
waterfall


It's there to explore! you wouldn't have had the experience if you were to forget about it now:) Just be gentle with yourself

[kakkarot]

yeah, i think waterfall may be right (the only reason i don't say IS right, is because i have no proof that what she is saying is true). but i too think that, due to the nature of your prayers, the knowledge was given via some sort of spiritual entity.

as to my prayers: they were not mere droning "incantations", like doing the "Lord's Prayer" over and over again. i prayed as though i was talking to an actual being.

~kakkarot

Secret of Secrets

[Patty]

For a period of about a week, six years ago, I had something that might have been like a kundalini awakening.  I haven't had the experience you describe Sylvain, but there were some similarities. I was very distressed over personal problems, I was praying fervently --- Mostly prayers like "Please show me, help me, fill me with love, let me know I'm not alone...." That sort of thing.

I also made the conscious attempt to 'open up' to God. At the time, that concept made sense to me, though now it doesn't as much..... because my concept of God is different now than it was then.  Anyway, SOMETHING happened - like when I would sit and pray, a tingly energy point would start zipping around through my body. It felt like life, in the dead place that I was in. So I tried to access that feeling more and more frequently, it rejuvenated me, boosted my mood incredibly, and so on. THe feeling would swell to making my entire body feel vibratory (I wouldn't have described it as vibrations at the time) , warm, full of energy. I felt held and loved, etc etc (don't want to get too weird sounding but you get the drift.)

The problem was, when this feeling started overcoming me when I WASN'T seeking it. I would be at work, driving, wherever - and this strong feeling would start to overtake me. THis was a few days after the initial sense of a tingly point of energy. I started to freak - it was scary. SO I closed it off as best I could, started invoking Jesus name to ward off evil spirits, believed I was being possessed, etc. It took a few days, but eventually I felt like I had a hold on the door that had opened - that I could keep it closed as long as I put my mind to it.

I started praying to Mary - asking her how SHE knew to trust this or that remarkable experience; asking for things to slow down, and so on.

After the whole thing was in the past a little - well at first I was thankful to no longer feel possessed. After a few years I read Monroe's books and realized that possibly some of the sensations were pre-exit sensations. I started to try to pursue it, and was  (and continue to be) disappointed that the sensations never reached the level that they had previously. I am glad to be able to crack the door to the experience, but it seems hard to push it all the way open again.

So - I say that if you feel ready to pursue it, go for it. Take it slowly, and use your judgment. Bottom line for me is whether I want to act out of fear or not - Fear keeps me paralyzed. If I can act out of trust, well, so far after three years of attempts I don't think i've been body snatched or possessed or gone crazy yet.  I don't practice Catholicism presently, and I don't subscribe to ideas that such-and-such was obviously this-or-that when there are so many possibilities as to what the whole thing was.  

I enjoy the exploration and don't have paralyzing fear about it at present.

I'm curious what happens for you with this -

Patty

[Vallk]

Wow Sylvain! Quelle expérience incroyable!!!
Je vais écrire mon message en anglais pour que tous puissent lire, même si mon anglais n'est pas parfait!.

I was wondering what are the notes you had time to take. Do you remember anything about the information you received? If yes, can you share with us?

Have you started working on your energy since then?

Valérie, Montréal

Valérie

[observer]

Sylvain, like you, I did not know about chakras, or about any mystical paradigm for that matter.  What I find interesting about your experience and the other experiences posted here, is that it appears to be a response to prayer.  This was the same in my case, sort of.  Though I knew nothing of meditation,  there was this "relaxation exercise" called the sponge in a hatha yoga class I took.  You might say that I perfected the sponge by going into a very relaxed state which by Astral Dynamics parlance would be called a trance, though I did not know that at the time.  On one occasion during this trance state, I let the following thought enter my mind:  "I want to meet God".  Withing seconds of making that supplication, I felt a ruch of energy that started in my feet but instantly shot up through the rest of my body and my head.  My conscience was instantly disembodied and I was floating within what I could only call an energy bath that was getting progressively more intense.  To put it mildly, this was the most frightening experience of my life because of the intensity and the fact that I had no idea that such experiences were even possible.  I thought that I was literally dying.  The best way I can describe this experience is that it was like being electrocuted by very high voltage.  I tried with all my strength of will to get back to my body, and finally managed to after about what felt like 1 minute of this state.  

No downloads for me, just energy.  I stopped doing hatha yoga then since I decided I was tinkering without a license and was likely to get hurt if I continued.   However,  I did "get" some lasting effect from the experience.  I became telekentic for about 6 weeks.  It was bizarre and I was scaring the crap out of people when I demonstated it.  I decided within the first few days to stop showing people.  Needless to say, this experience started me down the path which has me visiting forums like this today.  

Was your experience Kundalini? Was mine?  I don't know. Based on books I've read,  I would say no.  The best analogy I can come up with is that I experienced an infomercial for higher conscienceness.  It was a freebie as a result of prayer in the right mental state.  In books on the subject, Kundalini is described as a snake like energy that starts in the root chakra and makes its way up the spine through the various major energy centers along the way eventually reaching the last energy center, the crown chakra.  However, you describe passing go without collecting 200$ first.  I guess you're the kind of person who goes straight for the payday, or like me you got a free show.   In the end, I guess I would ask why it is important to you to know whether the experience was Kundalini energy or not.   Would knowing that somehow change the significance of the experience for you?

- observer

[Sylvain]

Hi Observer,

It is not THAT important to me to know if it was a Kundalini experience or not. But it could have given me a clue about the origin of the phenomenon and learn more about it.

But your point is logic: it really seems to have been the fruit of my prayers, much like your experience. What you ask sincerely will be given to you tenfold. But in that case the "tenfold" was quite overwhelming, if not dangerous.

That's why I thought it may have been Kundalini since I've read that the Kundalini experience is so strong that it can be dangerous if not properly controlled. My best guess is that it is really true what they say: "Be carefull about what you wish for it may become reality!"

Sylvain

[Ashfo]

Sylvian I think I'm not the only one wondering whats on those notes!

Even if it seems like inane babble, share it!

- Ashfo

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[Sylvain]

Hi Patty!

I just read your message for the second time and it hit me that I've felt the "tingly" energy sensation you're talking about all my life since I was a young kid, either when praying or meditating when I was really sincere in my emotions. I've also felt it often when thinking about one of my deceased grandmothers.

To me this "vibrating" feeling is quite different from the pre-exit vibrations Monroe and others talk about. I've had two OBEs in my life where I remember the pre-exit and exit sensations and the vibrations were a lot warmer and deeper than the gentle tingly sensation you're talking about. The pre-exit deeper sensations made me immediately realize, both times, that it was possible for me to leave my body willingly and almost effortlessly. It was also in a much more relaxed state when I experienced both exits.

It may be the same vibrations but quite deeper that allows us to move out of our bodies. But inuitively, I think that the tingly more gentle kind happens when we either feel very positively about something or that a gentle spirit contacts or "embraces" us so to speak.

Another difference: While I can almost generate the gentler vibrations almost at will, I've never been able to relax myself to the point of intentionally generating the deeper pre-exit vibrations. Every OBE I have experienced have been of the instantaneous, unintentional kind.

Hope this info will help you out, Patty!

Sylvain

PS: I'm still debating wether or not I'll share the little I've retained from the "download" experience. I know this is a confidential forum and all that but even 10 years after the fact it feels like one of the most intimate experiences I've ever lived. Also, it probably is the most difficult thing to translate into words... and English is my second language!! In any case, I'll probably give it a try and write about it soon. Just give me time: I'm a shy person!!!  ))  

[Patty]

Hi Sylvain,

It's hard to know if we're talking about the same thing or not, isn't it? I have sure gotten warm fuzzies all my life in response to different stimuli - but what I shared in this thread was different. Ex: Towards the end of this memorable week, I had trouble moving my limbs of my own accord. This was not the 'disinclination to move limbs" that I experience in light trance, it was "Oh my god, my arms are moving and I'm not the one moving them. Who the hell is driving???!!!" I genuinely thought I was being possessed by some energy being.  I still haven't ruled out the possibility, though I try not to 'feed' that fear by focusing on it.

I've also had a couple OBE's - though they were very brief and from a sleep state.  (Not to be confused with lucid dreams, which occur on a regular basis.)  So I wasn't aware of the pre-exit vibrations. But the experiences themselves were amazing.  Amazing.

Anyway, don't share the download if your instincts tell you not to -  Even though it has been ten years, and by and large we're all decent trusting folk here, this is the internet! In my opinion you won't be really changing anyone's personal paradigm, you'll just be satisfying our curiosity for a few days.  I'm a glutton for personal accounts, so sure I'd love to read your experience too.  but to be honest it's only the personal experience that I have that has much transformative value for me. If you think it would be good for you to share - by all means do. But if you are uncomfortable with the idea, then hold off.

A lot of NDE literature has 'knowledge' from beyond that gets roundly thrashed once it's shared. I think you should consider different possible outcomes of yourchoice to share.


Patty

[Sylvain]

Hi all,

The following happened to me about 10 years ago. I would need to know if anyone ever experienced a similar event, and if it can be linked to a kundalini phenomenon I don't know about:

Experience: After some meditation and a bath, a channel sort of opened on top of my head (I did not know about chakras at the time) and a burst of energy came through it. The incredible phenomenon brought me instant access to comprehensive knowledge of everything--that's the best way I could describe it.

It first came as inspiration about why the universe was created (the info was "downloaded" in a self-explainable visual form) and then every bit of information led to "teachings" about related subjects. The flow of the "downloading" accelerated at an astonishing pace (e.g. I took notes on a pad at first to make sure not to lose the information I got, but soon realized not even the best steno typer of all time could keep pace with the exponentially accelerating flow of communication).

In a matter of a couple of minutes--if not seconds--the joy of accessing answers to existential and scientific questions I always dreamed of knowing, was replaced by the frightening realization that if I was to let this strange phenomenon continue and accelerate, my brain would NOT survive the experience. I would lose control and perhaps turn mad or something.

I then tried to focus my thoughts on some mundane, concrete things such as sports or cars, but although it slowd the flow of the "download" it wasn't successful. Then I focused on a friend of mine long enough to find his phone number and, with much difficulty, took the phone and called him. I asked him to talk to me about sports, his job, anything down to earth. He found me a bit weird and initially feared something bad was happening to me, but fortunately he went on to talk for minutes and successfully "slowed me down".

I was still quite disturbed after the "channel" on top of my head was "closed". I felt like my brain had been short circuited. I had trouble concentrating on anything, felt weak and disoriented to the point where I lost myself in a city I had known for all my life. I actually almost felt "besides" myself for days until I recuperated successfully, but slowly. Even memories of childhood events seemed like remote experiences I did not not really live--a very weird feeling in itself.

It took even a few months before I could work again. But as I said I recovered completely and actually became a successful French-writing journalist. So that's the good part... I did not become crazy!!!  

Context:

1) I wasn't doing what you would call systematic energy development exercises at the time. Just a lot of prayers and some meditation and some very successful dream programming exercises where I would get detailed answers to my questions in the form of teachings within my dreams (I mention this because the information gotten from the "download" was delivered in much the same way as in my dreams, and I'm wondering if the dream programming exercises did actually trigger the phenomenon).

2) I wasn't doing drugs (and never did).

3) After some personnal woes (separation with my loved one and financlial difficulties), I woke up one morning -- about a week before the "download" phenomenon happened -- with a paradoxical feeling of well-being. It was as if my solar plexus was a 300-watt light of positive, loving, energy. This went on until "the download". People since have told me I was incredebly charismatic within that phase. I add this in case it could give anyone a clue about what I experienced.


Voilà... this is it. This event left me transformed, was at the same time fascinating, overwhelming, and quite frightening. But I still can't explain it and never truly heard of anybody experiencing it.

Thanks in advance for the clues....

Finding answers is particularly important to me, since I'd now be tempted to work on developing my energy centres but I'm afraid to trigger the same phenomenon again.

Cheers!

Sylvain