Dark Entities, black clouds, negs?

Hyperdimensional · October 20, 2003, 18:31:13

Hi,

During this experience I didn't take any drug..

Well, I saw one of this dark entities about 10 years ago, I were sleeping in my home, the hour 2:00 am, In that moment during the dream (maybe OBE) I feel like someone was watching me and I start to hear strange noises very close to my physical body, noises that don't mean any word but I get annoying and desperate to the point I wake up..

My brother was sleeping in other bed in the room, my first idea was that my brother was trying to wake me up, so after I wake up I try to strike "my brother" but for my surprise my arm cross to the middle of the body of that "entity", I saw what I think it was a kid for the size, after the strike the entity runs to my closet crossing the door without open it and I followed it until it disapears inside..

The entity doesn't have a face, it was a silhouette of a human body with the color of the space without stars (dark black color, you only see black and nothing more), the entity can emit noisy sounds that I can't understand, sounds like a thousands of bees in your head..

Best regards

jc84corvette · October 20, 2003, 19:28:02

Is that the shadowman as they call it on C2C A.M.? Those shadowpeople are also in the physical realms.

Vicky · October 20, 2003, 21:37:47

I met an entity twice during an OBE. I do not know whether it was a bad one but I know I couldn't see. I only knew it was there and felt its presence. During the first OBE it laughed and made a noise as if it sneezed. In the same time I could hear another entity knocking at the door of my bedroom. The next time I left my body I heard the invisible entity again in a different corner of my room which only made a sound as if it was hurt. If there is always an entity in my room I am not sure whether I want to leave my body soon. We moved to the apartment recently...

Blue Giant · October 20, 2003, 22:33:03

Hello Shaman,
How are you doin? I'm so glad about the topic you chose to post. I've posted questions about these shadowy entities, but never really got much feedback. I've encountered these "shadowy" creatures as you've described. It has been several years that they (it) have (has) been interupting my sleep pattern as well as trying to enter my body..or along the lines of feeling like it is. I will try to describe my encounters with them. First, I would like to note that I don't know if the shadow is the same one that keeps coming around or if they are different, however, the all look and do the same thing with me and I have the exact same feel with all of them. Having said that, I've been encountering these entities for some time. Over 3 years now. It was until I started doing drugs that they came around. Well, actually, I had been doing drugs months before the encounters and it wasn't until I stopped that they came around. Yet, it was still after drug use that I started to notice these things. When I was out on my own, while doing the drug thing, I never encountered them. It was until I came back to my parents house that I started to get these encounters. When I've laid down to go to sleep I cannot sense them. It is until I've fallen asleep that they become apparent. There have been numerous times where I've woken up like someone had shaken me and sensed a thick force (or denser space) around the forehead and generally floating above my upper torso. There wasn't a physical shaking of my body, but more like some type of alarm system goes off when it senses danger or an attempt to permeate my "private" boundaries. I've seen it hover over me and come close to my head as and pushes a force onto me, as if it is trying to push through into my head. Other times I've been in a dream where the dream will just cut off into a major sensory alert like there is another presence (either I will feel it in a dream) or someone or something morphs and tries to come into me and I will be drawn to the physical world where I will notice something halfway into me, but not totally. My sister has experienced (in the same house) a dark bulky man in her minds eye. While she was laying on her bed, she sensed the shadowy man and then she felt a huge force, like a dead weight, on her stomach and then the feeling of it actually laying down on top of her. When she felt this presence lay on top of her she felt it as though the back rolled onto her stomach, followed by the neck upon her neck, head onto her head and the feet and legs being spread out simultaneously. She then could not talk or move her body...literally physically taken over. She could think to herself but the motor coordination of her body was lost. It then got up like head, shoulders, back, butt, legs in that fashion and just peeled off of her. When it got out she was in the miidle of screaming and her scream came out like the silencing was over. That same night I woke up like there was something wrong and I could not move. This could be sleep paralysis, however, my sister was awake when it happened. Many times I've been in a state caught between being asleep and awake and this is where it is sensed the most. It feels all the time like it is invading my space. I don't know if that is just vibrations in my body and parts of my subtle bodies shifting, however, I've got a gut feeling that it is external from me. I don't get scared when I see it or feel it trying to get inside of me..all I do is become fully awake out of the half asleep state and it can no longer push itself in. There is another factor that comes into play here. In my parents house, the man who lived there before us died in it. I don't know if there is any connection with that, but my sister, mother and father have heard footsteps and moaning throughout the house while they've been dead awake. This may be the old man who died there...I don't know. I do think though that I picked up this shadowy creature when I was into drugs. The mindset, feeling and aura around me while doing the drugs could have been a major factor. People I hung out with gave me feelings that they were doing something on a level that I did not understand at that time. I also have talked to people who have said that these shadows or spirits want to use our physical bodies to interact with our environment (dimension) because without the body they lack some type of experience. I really don't know what these things are but I have had chances to leave my body, but haven't done so because I am worried that as I pop out I will see another spirit that will pop in. Then I would hate to watch myself become awake and walk around when I'm not in there! If there is something in me can I get back in??? I do, however, think that these shadowy creatures prey upon those with weak auras, auras that have been damaged and generally their defense system in them is somewhat broken down.?? Hope that shed a lil' light!
Rusty

Nagual · October 21, 2003, 03:29:04

I did have around 15+ experiences with... hum... things that I could sense and feel (touch) but not see. All in the same setup: I am lying on my bed and something crawls on me or is above me. They never tried to enter in me; only once one of them was applying some kind of pressure on my forehead. While most of them were feeling like some kind of blob (with my astral hands), one took the appearance of a woman (or so I thought) and tried to do naughty things. Most of the time, I did "wrestle" with those blobs. Some are strong and others are weak; or sometimes I feel strong and other times I feel powerless. 3 times these "blobs" seemed to come from a dream; like some guy is annoying me in a dream and poof, he "transforms" in the blob and I am lying on my bed...

In fact, I just got into a dream fight 2 days ago and the guy was too strong, so I decided to wake up... But, instead of waking up, I suddenly was lying on my bed and "wrestling" with such a blob... But the blob was very "weak" (not very solid) and I woke up after 3 seconds...

Another time, again one guy was tinkling me off in a dream. I switch to the lying in bed with blob wrestling thing but, as I was not fully conscious and still ticked off, I suddenly decided to absorb the blob to "teach him a lesson"... Immediatly, the blob kind of exploded a little and then imploded back and I sucked it with my hands/arms... As soon as I finished it, my body or bed "rocketed" throught the window at a very high speed for about 5s and then I woke up... I just hope my stupid idea won't have much negative consequences... [:O][|)]

And, as you asked, no drugs here...

sstonevenuss · October 21, 2003, 03:46:50

I had a black, man sized and shaped entity follow me around for about 10 years...always saw it while i was wide awake. Found out years later that almost everyone in my family saw it, but wouldn't talk about it at the time.

woke up one night with a huge black churning hole over my bed. and a pressure and extreme heat smashing me down into the bed.

I had the best OBE EVER!!!! when I was awakened by a pressence in the house and I sat up right out of my body to confront it.

I have had dozens of experiences, with creatures of all kinds, and have NEVER taken drugs of any kind. not even cigarettes.

those of us who are really "open" to these things see it all, good, bad, ugly, immensly beautiful.

WalkerInTheWoods · October 21, 2003, 05:35:35

I have had a few brief experiences with a shadow entity, for lack of a better word. This was on the physical. It never approached me. A few times I would just catch a shadowy presence out of the corner of my eye, but when I looked nothing was there. This happened a few times, usually weeks or months apart from each other. Then one night I was laying in bed and happened to look at the bedroom door which was open. I saw a dark human figure walk by. When I asked the other person in the house if it was her she said she did not get up out of bed at that time. I have since moved and have not seen any more shadow entities, so it must have been localized to that house. I have never done any drugs, except alcohol every now and then but I was not drinking at the time of the occurrences.

I do not think that just because something is dark or shadowy that it means that it is negative. We fear that which we do not understand and that fear can cloud one's judgement.

shaman · October 21, 2003, 07:47:18

Thanks all for your replies, yes it help me to figure out a little what's going on. I am just trying to understand. And the best is to collect experiences about it and only after that to try to speculate about it. So, it does seem that these dark entities also approach normal people who are in good health, not only those affected in one way or another. It also seems that sometimes they are "bound" to a house and might be the spirit (or the "left over" of a spirit - for example created by strong thougths) of someone who suffered in that house.

Has anyone ever try to actually talk to them, rather than walk away from them / fight them ?

thanks again.
Shaman the Dreamer
(pardon my appearence, someone has just made me grumpy)

WalkerInTheWoods · October 21, 2003, 10:18:30

quote:
Has anyone ever try to actually talk to them, rather than walk away from them / fight them ?

With my experience no. I never really thought about it until I was about to move and then never got the chance. I do think that it was something in the house as there were some other things that happened that were odd. But the entity never confronted me directly, so I never really got the chance to talk to it. It did not seem to have negative intentions. The times that it would do something were rare and to my knowledge harmless.

Hyperdimensional · October 21, 2003, 10:31:16

quote:
Has anyone ever try to actually talk to them, rather than walk away from them / fight them ?

Hi,

At that moment, I felt like the entity was trying to communicate with me, but I can't understand nothing because the noisy sounds doesn,t mean any word so I prefer to fight with it..

Best regards

quetzalcoatl · October 21, 2003, 10:32:04

Probably one of the first LD/AP/OBE experiences I had was one of these. I was lying in bed asleep but noticed I could look around my room. I saw a shadowy figure next to my bed and wondered what it was. It then appeared to put it's hands on my chest and I couldn't breath. I had to fight to wake up and start breathing again.

I was pretty angry about that even though the creature didn't emanate a presence of evil or anything. Oh yeah, I wasn't on drugs at the time.

KDC · October 21, 2003, 10:53:20

I encountered a Shadow whilst on the astral plain and also on the physical plain. I was not under the influence of any kind of drug, I think your theory that demons may attack the weak minded is quite possible though.
Luv KDC

quetzalcoatl · October 21, 2003, 12:52:51

When I had my experience I asked some friends who were more familiar with this stuff (AP/Magic)what the shadow person was about. They just said that these beings were checking me out becuase I was "making waves" so to speak.

xardas · October 22, 2003, 03:17:27

You can lower your counciouness (in dutch "bewustzijn"), by holding your breath, by grabbing your neck and push on the veins. Then you're more able to see this things. { this is better for you then to take drugs. }

You can aslo higher your counciouness, like developping your brow centre in a huge way. then you're also more able to see this things.

carolineneedham · October 22, 2003, 04:26:22

Hi,

I've encountered many 'beings' through sleep paralysis, but the other week I met something a bit different. I wasn't sure how much it might have my imagination, I sometimes find the line between lucidity and OBE very thin. One of my housemate is essentially displaying many symptoms that have made me feel she may be 'possessed'. After a recent suicide attempt, I decided to go have a look at her next time I was OBE. I met what I can only describe as a large black shadow. I fought with it, more of a 'mental' battle. I was able to fight it back, but not to defeat it. A couple of days later she announced she was leaving. I have never taken any drugs, or herbs, although I have been reading a lot about psychedelics recently, and I have to admit to being interested in some. It would be interesting to compare these experiences from both sides.

Nagual · October 22, 2003, 04:59:43

quote:
Has anyone ever try to actually talk to them, rather than walk away from them / fight them ?

When I am in these states; they never talked and I cannot "talk" either. When I try, it's sounds like "Grgrgrrraaarggggrrr" [

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And, since I have no telepathy ability...
I also think personaly that they don't want to talk since if they did it would lower their "scary effect"...

shaman · October 22, 2003, 07:41:53

Thanks Caroline and the others,

from that it seems that either the dark entities are responsible for making someone depressed, suicidal, ... OR the other possibility is that IT IS THE PERSON HERSELF/HIMSELF that creates the dark entity with the "bad thoughts". Or the third possibility is that the dark entities are attracted by peope who are suicidal, depressed, etc... I am not sure at this time yet, but sure there is a link here between the two that we cannot ignore. The most likely is that the dark entities exist (not sure where they come from) and that they actually FEED on the fear, depression, suicidal thought of people. That way they would grow bigger and bigeer, as the one seen by Caroline. How then they are link to the person is a more complicated story.

And sorry but I cannot thing of "strangulating" myself to get a lower consciousness... Dat Kan Niet! That kind of stuff just does not work for me, it makes me think of suicide... anyhow, the hypnagonic state, between awake and asleep is the best to be in for many things, if it is to start an OBE, to listen to noises, voices, see things, etc...

cainam_nazier · October 22, 2003, 11:13:17

I see/have seen three different types of shadowy figures.

For me the most comon occurance is earth bound spirits which I see as a shadowy haze in the rough form of a person, more like an outline. I usually get an emotional intent from these things which is why I think they are what I think they are. They seem only vaguely aware of thier condition (dead) and I usually only spot them as they are passing through an area. I never encountered one that seemed to take up residance anywhere.

The scond are these shadow creature things for lack of a better description. They are usually small, fast, and dart between hiding places. These are the ones that usually give off the whole "bad vibe" thing for me. I am never really able to tell what they may be doing but in some places that I have been and spotted these things the place already had a creepy vibe which leads me to believe that some of them were living there. I have spotted them in othre kinds of places and in open daylight while they were moving from cover to cover.

The third I saw reutinly up until a few years ago. This I believe was one entity. He also had a very specific appearance and feel to him. A more detailed description can be found here. http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=936

Now for me I only ever see this kind of stuff while I am awake, never in any of the dreams or APs that I have had. And just for the record I have never been a user of drugs, I don't drink, and I have never been drunk. I also have never been on any perscription narcotics either. I did go through a period of depression where the sightings of these types of entities was greater. But it was something that was there before and continues now.

Van-Stolin · October 22, 2003, 13:53:12

I remember an experiance I had since I was about 13 I think. I hadn't been sleeping well for some time and I was very depressed, I tried not to think anything of it though. Then I started having a reacuring dream and in this dream, I would fight a creature at first I couldn't tell what it was, since my dreams were always hazy back then, but after playing a scary video game on the computer, the monster changed in to it. I would fight this thing and sometimes win and sometimes loses, I was very into martial arts and I think I caught it off guard when I decided to fight back.

This continued throught for 2 years, it would change into what ever I thought was the scariest at the time. I finnally told a freind of mine and he said that it was a astral entity that was feeding on my energy. The next time it came to me, I didn't fight it, instead I said I wasn't going to take it anymore and surrounded myself in white light, this relivled its true form as nothing but a black nothingness, I continued the light until it dissovled. I haven't had that dream ever since.

Just recently though I have noticed a sort of preasens in the house. It watches me, I can't see it, but I know it is there. My dogs bark at something that isn't there and growl. I always check around before going to bed and usually see something out of the cornor of my eye. Three nights ago, I was attacked by it. I couldn't move my body, I knew it was in my room and somewhere near my bed, I also saw a shadow move after I regained control. I was near the computer and when I asked what it wanted it ran away, slipping between the cracks under my door frame.

shaman · October 20, 2003, 08:09:24

Hi Folk,

I have read postings about people who, while OBEing, encountered dark entities, looking like dark clouds of dust, etc...From what it seems (and I hope someone can either approve or refute that) these dakr entities are encountered by people who OBE with the aids of drugs, either smoking or swallowing, or even people drunk, or with the wrong medications... And these postings where not only from the astralpusle forum but also from a forum on NDE.

So my question/suggestion is that these dark astral entities that seem to want to enter the body of someone OBEing are seen ONLY by those who use narcotics, drugs, medications, weeds, etc...

Let me know if someone met any kind of dark creature while doing a normal OBE...

If the suggestion I wrote is true, it might either means that these drugs can induce hallucinations on top of the OBE, or that the dark creatures (entitites) are able to sens someone whose body is affected by narcotics, drugs, alocohol, medications,... and they can sens that the body is maybe "weaker" and for that reason they would try to "enter" it.

Shaman The Dreamer

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