Sequential APs/OBEs, astral war, and hello site

[APGuy]

Well the average of 3 days a week is interesting as they say that the etheric body goes slightly out of allignment every night but voyages on the average of, you guessed it, 3 days a week.  As far as the storyline's concerned it reminds me of a movie I once saw.  It was CG but I forget the name I'll post the name of the movie tomorrow probably but I can't look for it right now.

[Centa Five]

Hello Trin and welcome to the Forums. It sounds like you have had some very interesting experiences in the dream world.  You mentioned that these sequential dreams started about 15 years ago, but are you still having them?  Were you interested in and reading or viewing any Sci Fi or futuristic material before they began? Hope you don't mind the questions but I'm just trying to get a better fix on your position.  You describe the dreams as OBE's and Lucid Dreams which is a little confusing for me.  Did they start out as dreams and then you became lucid while in them?  Did you intentionally project to the Astral and into the dreams or was the projection spontaneous?  You seemed to say that you could manifest esoteric powers while in the dreams which sounds like you had the ability to direct the dreams.   Did you create or manifest these powers thru your thought
processes?  

It must have been quite exciting for you to contact this person in the physical plane that could describe your dreams to you. Did you ask her how she knew these things?  Did these dreams just persist for a week or so or longer and are you still having them?  Sorry to be asking so many questions and had I known I would ask so many of them then I should have at least had the courtesy to put them all together!!  I have never heard of anyone having sequential dreams like you have had and it is very curious especially since none of the dream characters were known to you and if you hadn't read or seen anything of this nature thru media sources then I don't know where your subconscious could have obtained them. Hopefully someone on the Forum can help you with this although you may need to seek answers in another dimension.  When I have a dream that is kind of wierd and out in left field I try very hard to use my intuition  to determine its meaning as dreams are usually very personal and are sometimes conveying esoteric omens pertaining to future events.  Very few people can recall regular dreams in as much detail as you have so you  were more than likely awake in the dreams and along with that awareness you could try to fly into another venue should you start getting those same dreams again and want to break the cycle. Keep seeking answers and you will find them.  Good luck.

[Boris]

This is very interesting. It deals with one of my themes, which is
the question, how real is a thought form?

On the board where I spend most of my time,
afterlife-knowledge.com, we have through the adventures of our
astral travelers, discovered among other things a series of heavens
which are labeled hollow heavens, not the "real" one. There are
places that souls go after death, that fit their belief system that
they had on earth.  We call these BSTs or Belief System
Territories.

One of these is patterned from passages in the Bible book of Luke,
and Revelations, in which Jesus is supposed to come in the sky, on
some great day. In this BST, the arrival of Jesus in the sky is
periodically enacted, for the benefit of the believers, but it is
all fake, staged. This BST appears to have been created by those
passages in the Bible, and is a sort of interim location for the
souls who believe.

Another example is in the thread that at the moment is riding next
to yours in the list, about planet X. Planet X is a fantasy
invented by Zechariah Sitchin, who invented a planet in a 3600 year
orbit to explain things happening on earth that he assumed were
periodic. This is extremely improbable, because of the extreme cold
of deep space, for such an orbit, in which atmospheric gases that
we breathe here on Earth become liquid, and the sun becomes only
another star, so that there is no day, only eternal night, and
temperatures reach within 4 degrees Kelvin of absolute zero.

Nevertheless, this idea captured the imagination of thousands of
people, who did not have the knowledge of science and astronomy to
discard it, and it became a collectively held thought form. This
thought form was then picked up by Nancy Lieder, who weaved a
schizophrenic fantasy about aliens telling her how planet X was
coming near Earth, to create great destruction. That was last
spring, but planet X never came. The amateur astronomers looked for
it, it was not there, and they laughed about it. Zebrina also
picked up this thought form, and had some kind of exploration in
which she met the lady of planet X. I have a message in the first
page of the now 8 pages of that thread, explaining this.

What you could have is a thought form, filled out in great detail
like a BST. This does not yet say that this world you visit is not
real. Like what is reality, anyway? To all intents and purpose of
the people living in a BST, that BST is real. And maybe some group
really is trying to steal the soul of the Earth, and almost
succeeding, judging from looking at terrorism.

But the planet X BST is not real. So, I am not at the moment
defining your world as real or unreal, I am merely offering these
things as perspective. I am certainly glad you came forward. Now to
find the rest of your team!

Boris

[Ramiel]

What Trin describes sounds scarily close to whats "supposed" to happen come 2012. Anyone else agree?

[APGuy]

I remembered the movie it reminded me of and I haven't seen it for awhile so I can't say for sure it's like this story however I'm fairly sure it is.  It was Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within.  And yes it does sound like 2012 but I think that it was possibly like Boris said.  A BST.  So why would Trin go to a BST of 2012 unless Trin believed in 2012.  Perhaps you don't have to believe in a BST to go to it spontaneously?

[APGuy]

I just realized that the meteor in the movie I mentioned is somewhat like the whole Planet X thing.  I think that perhaps you travelled to a BST based upon the paranoid dillusions of others and the people that believe in the people with the paranoid dillusions (no offense but it all just seems like the 2000 thing to me.

[Trin]

Wow. Thanks for the warm welcome and input.

Centa Five: thank you for your thoughtful questions, they are indeed courteous, and I surely appreciate the added perspective.

quote:Originally posted by Centa Five

You mentioned that these sequential dreams started about 15 years ago, but are you still having them?

That's a story in itself, but the short answer is that I stopped dreaming altogether for 4 years after a big "event" in my final "experience." It was a bad event I'll share as soon as I'm comfortable enough to do so.

My total lack of dreams in the last 4 years is pretty much what drove me to seek out more information. Then I found Astral Pulse... and my sequential APs, as well as my normal dreams, seem to have started again. I say "seem" because the two APs I've had in the last couple of months, though they fit the overall scenario, were very strange and I'm still working them out.

quote:Originally posted by Centa Five

Were you interested in and reading or viewing any Sci Fi or futuristic material before they began?

Only Star Wars. Nothing with demons or metaphysical aliens or astral conflicts, that's for certain. That would've been a bit far out for me back then.

quote:Originally posted by Centa Five

You describe the dreams as OBE's and Lucid Dreams which is a little confusing for me. Did they start out as dreams and then you became lucid while in them?

Actually, the very first one (which was three in one night, all sequential) was already lucid, it's just that I didn't have any sustained control for about a year or two. Around two years in is when I really started APing, when I could exert complete control of my local enviroment and fly at will with speed and accuracy. That's when the experiences became decidedly less "physical" and more, to use your word, esoteric. 5 years in and I was even making it to the RTZ every so often, always with human teammates.

quote:Originally posted by Centa Five

Did you intentionally project to the Astral and into the dreams or was the projection spontaneous?

Always spontaneous, sometimes while awake, but mostly not. My intentional projections are erratic right now, foggy and noisy and short, but I only started trying to project on purpose since I found Astral Pulse.

I really didn't know a person could actually project on purpose before I found Astral Pulse. Silly me, huh?[:I]

quote:Originally posted by Centa Five

Did you create or manifest these powers thru your thought
processes?

If you mean did I manifest them intentionally and not by accident, yes, intentionally. I found that I was pretty much capable of anything I could visualize.

quote:Originally posted by Centa Five

Did you ask her how she knew these things? Did these dreams just persist for a week or so or longer and are you still having them?

She and I met around Halloween 7 years ago and got into a "spooky" conversation. I asked her if she'd ever had any memorable dreams, she said "yes, some very weird recurring ones" and that was that... she described my own in detail. It was almost as if I was listening to myself.

She only appeared in one experience that I know of. As far as I could tell, I never was "teamed" with the same people twice.

There. I hope I answered your questions as respectfully as you posed them.[]

quote:Originally posted by Boris

... but it is
all fake, staged.

The idea of "thought forms" is interesting to me. I absorbed the BST theory during my lurking period and I find it plausible, but what strikes me here is your use of the word "staged". I'd often thought that the primary place where these particular APs took place was a "staging area" (my words from years ago) upon which we manifested the "props" of our environment with our consciousnesses. I was reasonably sure that the other entities were independent but I was never too sure about the nature or integrity of the environment... it didn't always seem "static", if that makes sense.

Do you think, as APGuy said, that a person can end up in someone else's BST? If so, how?

I'm not sure I completely agree, as some (minority) of these experiences took place not on the "alternate Earth" but elsewhere altogether (some non-physical "spaces" as well as the rare excursion into the RTZ), but it bears thought, and think on it I will.

quote:Originally posted by Boris

Now, to find the other members of your team!

[]

APGuy:

Never seen the movie (based on the videogame series?) but I'll check it out.

Ramiel and APGuy:

Ah yes, the 2012/"demon war" thing. No offense taken. I've been lurking here for 4 months and that's exactly what kept me from posting until now... I mean, imagine my surprise when I got here and started reading that stuff. It made me worry that I might not be taken seriously.

To be clear: my only associations with 2012 is as the last date on the Mayan calender. From what I understand it's supposed to represent the end of an age (Pieces?) and the begining of a new age (Aquarius?). I've never read Sitchin's book and only became familiar with some aspects of his research 2 years ago through a cable documentary... as he's one of the 3 (or 5?) translators of Sumerian in the world I take his work with a grain of salt. I'd never heard of an actual prophecy of "demonic war" until I got here.

Further, I'm very skeptical about certain popular ideas of "aliens". To make a long story short, I haven't heard one I agree with or that makes sense to me in terms of my experiences. Not to say that anybody in particular is wrong, but the current ideas don't resonate with me.

To be totally clear: this was an ALTERNATE Earth in my experience, not our own. The "physical devestation" I referred to seemed to come as a result of a long-past HUMAN war or cataclysm and these other things, the "alien/demons" were mopping us up after that.

I don't belive my experience is a prophecy, and I don't believe my experience was entirely literal, and, most importantly, I don't believe that the world is going to end in 2012.

I have a very open mind, but I don't want to sound like chicken little here.[]

Thank you so much, everybody, for the thoughtful input. Any more of any kind is appreciated... I have no agenda except to make some sense of these experiences for myself. I'm certainly not trying to spread fear of the "apocalypse", in any event. As I've seen others on this site mention, if life is eternal, then an "apocalypse" is impossible.

[APGuy]

I don't believe in the 2012 stuff either that's why I said that it was maybe a BST on that idea.  So please don't think I'm a doom-sayer.[:O]

[Trin]

quote:Originally posted by APGuy

I don't believe in the 2012 stuff either that's why I said that it was maybe a BST on that idea. So please don't think I'm a doom-sayer.

Oh, not to worry, I don't.[] Sorry if I came on too strong there. Even if you were, everybody's entitled to their own beliefs, in my opinion. I just wanted to be clear that I don't want to sound like a doomsayer either... doomsaying encourages fear and fear is a negative motivator, that's a truism. That's how negative prophecies fulfill themselves. On the contrary, even if there are big changes going on right now (which I believe there are) my intuition is that we humans are going to end up much the better for 'em. It may not be totally easy getting there but the end result, I believe, will be good. Very good even.

Anybody have any thoughts on the "lower" planes? Might I have been involved in the perpetual "drama" I hear about that's supposed to go on there?

Remember, folks, I'm just a newbie taking my first awkward steps into a larger world, trying to reconcile a lifetime of experiences with any avaliable knowledge out there. If anybody thinks I'm missing something stupidly obvious here please feel free to apply a noodle-lashing.[]

[APGuy]

People will often times reply to things like this saying there is a meaning of it for you which only you know.  If it's so reacurring then the chances are it has a reason.  Does it have any meaning to you at all.  Perhaps it was meant to stop you from being such a realist.  Overall it's up to you to find it's purpose.

[Centa Five]

Hello Trin.  Thanks for taking the time to answer all my endless questons.  Your answers were very descriptive and inciteful.  Has it ever occured to you that you may have somehow entered a parallel universe during a different time frame, possibly the distant future? You know Einstein wrote somewhere that a parallel universe is theoritically possible.  This would explain many things. Interesting that you never projected into any of these dreams intentionally. During any of these dreams did you ever encounter any, for lack of a better word, dream portals?  Not having any dreams for 4 years sounds like a very rare thing, could it be that you dreamed but just didn't remember any of them?  I have never heard of dream deprivation lasting for that long a period of time. I'm going to go scratch my head and study some more on all this. Take care and keep us posted, you story may ring a familiar bell with one of the posters.

[Trin]

quote:Originally posted by APGuy

Does it have any meaning to you at all. Perhaps it was meant to stop you from being such a realist.

No meaning I can think of. I'm not religious, I'm not a xenophobe, and I'm as comfortable with my own darkness as a person can reasonably be. I don't believe in "demons" and the only E.T.s I was ever familiar with "phoned home."

Maybe it was meant to stop me from being such a realist, and normally I could leave it at that, but it's the issue of the woman in the real world who had the exact same experiences as myself which leaves me somewhat stumped.

quote:Originally posted by APGuy

Overall it's up to you to find it's purpose.

I'm definately realizing that.[]

quote:Originally posted by Centa Five

Has it ever occured to you that you may have somehow entered a parallel universe during a different time frame, possibly the distant future?

Yes it has. As for the possible implications or reasons for such a thing occuring, I have no idea, so I tend to doubt it.

quote:Originally posted by Centa Five

During any of these dreams did you ever encounter any, for lack of a better word, dream portals?

If you mean things which seemed like "dimemsional doorways", yes, often. Usually oval-shaped, crackling with blue-white energy from the edges, and transparent to their destinations. They were used for instantaneous and effortless transport.

quote:Originally posted by Centa Five

Not having any dreams for 4 years sounds like a very rare thing, could it be that you dreamed but just didn't remember any of them?

Yes, I should have been more clear. I assume I'm having dreams but have been unable to remember them, which is very unusual as I used to remember at least a dream every other night. But, again, finding Astral Pulse, which validated my experiences of AP/OBE for the first time in my life, partnered with alot of relaxation meditation and self-questioning, seems to be bringing me around. I can foggily remember 2 dreams and clearly remember 2 spontaneous APs I've had in the last 3 months, so it looks as if I'll be able to head into the astral soon enough to seek more answers there.

I'm now not so sure I'll share the "bad event" I was referring to earlier until I've solved the problem for myself, but if I reach another impasse with it I'll reconsider.

Thanks again for the feedback guys.[]

[APGuy]

Was the woman you met in the waking world an ex-realist also?  Perhaps it's a place specifically for steering people away from realism.

[Trin]

Hello all.

I've been LDing, APing and OBEing for a very long time now though I've only recently gotten over my denial and come to any kind of terms with it. I found this site several months ago, I've lurked, and now I'd like to try to contribute. I hope you can bear with me, as this is the first time I've ever shared any of this in public, and this is long.

How I got here:

I grew up in a secular family without any belief or interest in the phenomena of AP or OBE. I never learned anything about them whatsoever... in fact one could say that I was actively disinterested in the subject.

About fifteen years ago, I suddenly and for no apparent reason began having extremely vivid sequential "dreams" on an average of three times a week which involved an ongoing interdimensional conflict. The events often took place on what seemed to be a physically devestated, possibly futuristic, alternate Earth where science and spirituality/religion were one and the same, I was serving alongside people (for the most part) whom I couldn't recognize but I nonetheless implicitly trusted with my life, and our foes were... well, they were referred to as both "demons" and "aliens", though my impression was that they were somehow both. Their goal, in a nutshell, was to steal the already-embattled "soul of the Earth" and use it's energies to disrupt the order of the universe... there's alot more to it but, like I said, that's it in a nutshell. They were close to succeeding and we were trying to stop them.

I've always had normal dreams, but these serialized "dreams" were distinguishable from others for several important reasons: 1) incredibly vivid, sights, sounds, sensations, and smells all crystal clear... 2) almost always real-time, that is to say that time elapsed while asleep usually correlated directly with time elapsed in the "dream"; no flashbacks, lost time or fade-ins/outs... 3) lots of independant actors... in other words, the events and people in particular always defied any form of psychological analysis, they seemed to act with an independant will and represented nothing from my life which I could rationalize in any way, and I've got a minor in psych... 4) total consciousness and awareness during, total recall afterwards, 5) same ongoing story: I served a dreamtime army which was trying to protect the "soul of the Earth" from a horde of pan-dimensional alien/demons.

I was totally stumped as to the source of this imagery. At the time I wasn't that into fantasy or sci-fi or religion. I've never even played Dungeons & Dragons. So, remaining undisturbed by the phenomena and having a tendancy towards realism, I didn't take any of it too seriously. I also didn't tell anybody just in case they ended up taking it too seriously.

The "dreams", however, continued unabated, and over the next two years I went from being exceedingly awkward in them to being completely lucid. Soon I could change my local environment with a thought and manifest various energies for whatever purposes were called for in the moment, such as high-speed flight, defense, light, or ejection into instant physical conciousness. As these "powers" increased I noticed that I was receiving more complex and dangerous "missions" to carry out, though these "missions" usually weren't violent or proactive and instead revolved around issues like surveillence of the "demons" and their activities and investigation of sites of importance... artifacts seemed to be a priority to us as well as our enemies, and my most common task was to search for ancient objects or bits of archaeological information behind "enemy lines" before our foes could find them.

I'd know this task intuitively upon arrival. I never met my "drafters" or those who assigned these "missions"... I somehow got the impression that they couldn't manifest themselves on this alternate Earth the same way that we or our enemies could. I also only occasionally met any "demons" face-to-face, though I saw many from varying distances... usually, if it came to a physical confrontation, I'd end up fighting what I figured was a conjurance or a minion. After the initial awkwardness I felt no fear at any of this, and to the best of my recollection I never felt any anger at all... it just felt like I was on a mission.

I was always with "teammates" ranging in number between 1 and 300, though more commonly between 1 and 8. The interesting thing about these "teams" was that I was almost always grouped with people who's abilities were the equal of my own. In other words, there were no "leaders" or hierarchies of any kind; we usually each had independent "missions" to carry out in the same local area and were seemingly grouped together for the sole purpose of watching each other's backs. As I mentioned earlier, we trusted and relied upon one another implicitly.

Again, I can compartmentalize with the best of them, so I never took it seriously and I never told anybody. At the time I was still reasonably scientific while awake, so I couldn't accept that these "dreams" were anything but that... extremely vivid and interesting lucid dreams in the scientific sense... probably a manifestation of some aspect of sleep paralysis, which I'd experienced often for as long as I could remember. (I know, I know... remember, I'm telling this story chronologically, and at the time I still thought sleep paraylsis was sleep paraylsis. I had no reason not to.) My experiences didn't worry me in any event so I sought out no further information. I never looked into OBE or AP and that was that, case closed. I was even planning on writing a series of fictional adventure stories based on the whole thing.

That all changed seven years ago, the day I spoke to a woman in the "real world" whom I'd met once before... in one of these "dreams".

Due to the nature of our contact and conversation, I was satisfied that this was no fluke or mistake or cold reading or put-on... she was irrefutably there. I said nothing and she told me all about a particular dream which I'd never shared with anyone wherein we saw each other as well as a wide variety of unique distinguishing landmarks, I caught her when she fell from a rope ladder, it was a singular sequence of events... but more than that, she went on to describe the entire "backstory" of my sequential "dreams" in detail. It turned out that she too had been having the same "dreams" as myself for a decade at that point, and in them she too was a member of a "team" trying to protect the "soul of the Earth" from "alien/demons". All this without a single word from me... I merely asked her if she'd ever had any memorable dreams.

That conversation blew my rationalist mind and I soon started looking for explanations. Since then I've studied as much as I could about anything paranormal, spiritual, or mythological, and eventually I came upon Aboriginal culture... which lead me to "Dreamtime"... which lead me to AP and OBE.

And that's how I got here.

What do I make of my "dreams" at this point? They started as LDs which quickly mutated into APs and OBEs. (I'm also weakly clairvoiant, I remember the dream when I see the scene, I've displayed a little bit of TK and esper ability as well, and I've had many OBEs which don't fit into this paradigm, but one thing at a time.) As for the imagery in my experiences... my human allies, our "drafters", the "alien/demons", the "soul of the Earth" etc... well, I'm at something of an impasse with all that and more, that's partially why I'm here... any ideas/questions/comments?

Ideally... does anyone recognize the scenario I've described?

Anyhow, I invite any and all input, and sincere thanks for reading all that. I hope to be able to contribute to this site as it's already helped me immeasurably just being here and absorbing the available information. If I sound gushy it's because there's no way I could overstate that fact.