Matrix Revolutions (spoilers)

[rodentmouse]

whats the significance of 106:06 mj-12 ?

[The AlphaOmega]

I thought it was the best one yet.  The mech war was one of the coolest battles I've ever seen in a movie, and the end battle was totally anime style, I loved it.  I love how Smith got all crazy too, he plays a good psycho.  Basically I didn't find any flaws.  I wish that the last fight was nmore fast pased and maybe a little longer, but I wasn't disappointed by it.  Plus the fact that it ended in peace was the best way they could have gone.  These films I think have really made people think, and I like how Neo didn't destroy all the robots, but formed an alliance with them for the benefit of both their worlds.  
  I don't know what the 106 has to do with anything either though!

[kakkarot]

while i was watching the movie i completely thought it was totally lousy. it was cliched to a large degree (and i really am getting sick of seeing trinity do the same three or four moves over and over again) and seemed very much like any other wannabe action movie out there.

but on my way home from the theater, i was thinking about just how different the style of the third was from the style of the first two and i realized that the third had wrapped it up quite nicely and that's becaue the movies weren't about the action, it was about the thinking. in the first matrix movie, it asked "What is reality?" and got people to start thinking about what really is real around them. is what you think is real, truly real? can you really trust your senses to tell you the truth? are others who they seem to be? are you who you seem to be? what is truth? what is reality? the first movie was designed to get people to start thinking, to start challenging their beliefs and opinions about this world.

while the first movie cause people to start thinking, the second movie played off of that by guiding people's thinking along certain paths. the second movie didn't just get people to question, it gave people something to think about. what really runs the world: is it cause and effect? is it karma? predestination and fate? maybe everything happens by chance? or any other such philosophical notion? which of these does the world run by? perhaps it is more than just one.

the third movie summed it all up by pretty much saying (from what i could determine) that while such things as karma, fate, cause and effect, chance and coincidence, etc are all a part of reality as we know it, what truly drives our world is choice. beyond any of the aforementioned, what we CHOOSE to do with our lives overrides the control of all of those things (karma, fate, cause and effect, chance and coincidence, etc): eventhough such things may still influence our lives, they will not control our lives if we choose our own path and make our own decisions.

And in the end perhaps that is what life really is about: rather than just letting the waves of life fall upon us, the fact that some choose to do something with their lives regardless of what life throws at them is what makes them truly special.

quote:Smith: Why do you continue to fight?

Neo: Because I choose to.

the oracle is the perfect example of this: she would tell people what they needed to hear, but she still knew it was up to them to make up their "own damned mind".

~kakkarot

[MJ-12]

Ade

[kakkarot]

btw, for the "official" philosohpy behind the matrix check out their official website (enter via your bandwidth speed and the philosophy pages are under the mainframe section of the navigation area at the top of the page: middle row, third button from left)

i just started looking at it a couple of minutes ago.

~kakkarot

[Anonymous]

Actually, Neo, did nothing other than what the Architect and the Oracle had planned all along.  The Oracle knew what Neo was going to do because her program has operated through all the other six times that this has happened before (as stated in the second movie).  Neo, made an alliance with the Architect which was what he did the other times and he did somewhat lose the last fight with Smith.  Because Smith took the Oracle's body he created a self fulfilling prophecy which carried its self out when he said that everything which has a beginning has an end which resulted in the beginning of the matrix once more.  So when the Oracle told that Indian girl that they would see Neo again she meant that the next Neo would come and do the same thing again creating a damned loop.  A neverending story where the machines are always fifty steps ahead of the humans because in the long run the Architect setup it up just right so that Neo could defeat Smith (in a way) and create an alliance with the machines to save both cultures so it can all happen again.

Neo knew that this would happen because he started prophecizing himself when he said that he had gone to see the Architect (the mass of squidies making a face) for the wrong reason if it wasn't for peace.  Neo realized that the only way to win was to start the loop again and that his why he finally broke down and excepted his fate.  Which was to fight Smith and lose. Become Smith and destroy him thus saving the machines and the humans from his madness.  This would allow the Architect to rebuild the Matrix without threat and release those that wish to be released.  Remember not all of the people will be released so the Matrix still exists.  Also the Architect states, "But for how long" refering to the peace between machines and humans foreshadowing another war betweent them.

Pretty much they are back at the beginning (pun intended).

[MJ-12]

xx

[Anonymous]

I agree, MJ-12.  The situation has more of a parasitic relationship though.  The machines need the humans for energy and the humans needed the machines not to destroy them.  I am sure if Neo hadn't have done what he did then the people of Zion would have been destroyed.  I mean even Neo couldn't take on all of the machines because when they were getting attacked they had to go to the sky to escape the maelstrom.  The Oracle did manipulate Neo and the rest because she didn't want to be destroyed either.  The Architect excepted the peace because he didn't want to be destroyed by Smith.  Neo made decided on peace because Zion would have been destroyed.

[Kazbadan]

The movie was nice but the the action of the second movie was much more fun. Th final battle was in a Songoku/Dragon Ball Z style, and was very nice, althought it could have been more faster. Did you you now that Jet Lee was invited to do Matrix 2 and 3? Probably he would be the Seraph, but the actual actor it´s more nice (maybe not so good while fighting). I miss the nice fight agains the 200 smiths...[] i wanna see it again

The history of the third movie creats  a loop with the possible intention of making a fouth movie. With the open ending, in the future it will be possible to create another movie with another choosen one replacing neo (and the actor Keanu Reaves).

I still have some questions about the movies:
_ why neo had some powers out of the matrix? how´s that possible, since being out of the matrix it´s to be in the real world.
_ the powers that he had out of the matrix were somehow different (no so fast, he could with closed eyes, etc). Why?
_ since neo it´s an "aberration" (the choosen one i mean) in the equation of the program called matrix, why couldn´t him defeat the "machinist" (the one driving the train)? Afterall, the mathmatical "aberration" (neo) extends itself to all programs...(i suppose)
_  How could Smith become so powerful, and why couldn´t him destroy Neo by using the metamorphing power (the one that turned neo in a smith, why din+t worked out)?
_ Did you see how "interesting" was Monica Belluci []?!

[Hyperdimensional]

William Buhlman author of Adventures Beyond the Body wrote:

There is much discussion today about the movie Matrix and how it may relate to out-of-body experiences and the universal spiritual quest for enlightenment. When you look beyond the techno, marshal arts façade of the plot you see a profound story of spiritual awakening and self-empowerment. Many believe that the story of the Matrix is a representation of the human enslavement to matter and the essential need for us to escape from overpowering and deceptive illusion of form.

In the movie the lead character Neo suddenly awakens from the sleep of unconsciousness and realizes that the reality of his day-to-day life is a complete illusion. His entire concept of reality is shaken and then collapses. Reluctantly he awakens to the shocking reality of his true existence. Through trial and error he recognizes that he is not the person he believed he was. He becomes aware of the shocking fact that all of humanity is deceived, manipulated and completely dominated by a powerful energy matrix. This energy force is everywhere and controls the minds of all of the inhabitants. Slowly, Neo realizes that he possesses the ability to escape the illusion of the matrix (form). He discovers that he is far more creative and powerful then he ever dreamed. With the help others that have also awoken from the mass deception they attempt to overcome the powerful grip of the consensus illusion. In doing so he is labeled a nonconformist and a disruptive enemy of the established belief systems that dominates all human consciousness. Of course, his mind bending personal mission in the movie is to recognize and destroy the mental prison and free himself and all humanity from the grip of the matrix.

There are numerous similarities between out-of-body experiences, the nonphysical realities and the computer driven matrix presented in the movie. For example, during an OBE you can easily fly, float or do whatever you believe you can. There are no limits but what you believe within yourself. In addition, the unseen dimensions are naturally thought responsive so you can alter your reality with the focused power of your mind. Your outer form, method of motion and your perception abilities are derived from your self-conception so there are no limits but what you conceive.

The parallels of the Matrix and our physical world are also apparent. Just like the movie the vast majority of humanity live in a matrix of ignorance. Today most people remain tragically unaware of their authentic self and the truth of their existence. They live in complete ignorance, clinging to archaic beliefs; they don't know what they are and where they come from, they don't know where they are going and what their purpose is. The natural transition of death remains a great unsolvable mystery and continues to frighten the masses. The illusion of form is so effective that the majority of the physical inhabitants are content to remain completely ignorant of their true self and their purpose. They believe they are their physical body and their mind. They are satisfied to accept the grand deception without question and play their temporary physical parts in the great drama of life.

Just for a moment examine your life objectively. Examine the strange reality that you dwell within. Notice how beliefs are accepted without question. Observe how primitive religious and cultural beliefs dominate the landscape and the group consciousness. Every day people fight and kill their neighbor because of their religious and political beliefs, skin color and national origin. Take a moment and examine the ever-growing list of primitive beliefs that dominate the group consciousness. Clearly see the insane matrix of deception and lies that continues to manipulate the group consciousness of our species. For those that doubt the validity of my analogy be aware that the existing matrix of ignorance has led to the mass murder of 100 million people in the last century alone. If this physical world is not an insane mental matrix of deception and lies then what is?

Today humanity is so ensnared by the illusion of form that escape is almost impossible. In fact the deception is so effective and pervasive that most inhabitants will make no attempt to escape. They are comfortable in their little consensus world of make believe. Ignorance is bliss. They are conditioned from birth to follow the beliefs of their culture and society. Most accept and believe countless falsehoods including the primitive belief that they are their physical bodies and their programmed mind. They live and die completely unaware of the shocking truth of what they truly are. The next time you watch the movie be reminded that your primary spiritual quest is to awaken from the matrix of form that dominates this strange, dense landscape.

How do you obtain freedom from the dense illusions that dominate this reality? What method can you use to achieve true freedom from the energy matrix? This is achieved by consciously going inward within your self. Self-initiated out-of-body exploration is one effective method to achieve liberation from the matrix of form. To do so you will need the courage and self-reliance of an explorer. No longer can you depend upon the ideas and beliefs that are generated by the energy matrix. Question every thing, every belief, every assumption and every conclusion. Go within for the answers. The ultimate quest of your life is to escape the powerful deceptions of form and the first step is within you.

All my best,

William Buhlman

[Kazbadan]

I´m a lover of budhism, and i don´t see AP as the final act for freedom. Freedom becomes with the perception of the true nature of ego. If you understand (not just abstractly but by inner contact with the true nature of reality) that there is not "I" or "myself" you will realize that you are not anymore a drop in the ocean, but you are the ocean itself.

AP and the existence of a soul are just more illusions that struck us from reaching the ultimate nature of reality. Budhists believe that such state will be partially (only spiritually) reached by Nirvana and totally with Paranirvana (with death).
If you think in the Astral Planes (see Robert Bruce ebook), you see, that the more higher the plane, the more you are near to ending with the concept of "self" existence (i and my, etc). I believe that the last state or the final Plane it´s the one in wich you become one with the One. You stop to cease as an individual and become no one and everyone at same time (something like becoming god).

I really wpuld like to explain this ideas but my english it´s not flexible enough to express my thought. Basically i want to mean that AP it´s very nice (and you will have spiritually development with it) but you cannot be a prisioner of it.

BTW: Hyperdimensional, this message it´s not a reply to your message (i agree with you...and with  William B.). It´s a message for all people that believe that AP it´s the last act of liberty. With simple meditation, comprehension of reality, and with the true development of compassion and goodness, you reach even more higher planes than with AP (well....i suppose...not very shure [])

[rodentmouse]

thats the thing though,  with the people of  zion who are free..

yes they are free from the matrix,  but  theyre no more spiritually  awakened than the people  of the matrix..

That squad commander  guy  in the  3rd movie for example..  you know who i mean,  the  "what is a PEncil neck, pussy little  boy doing in my unit"?  guy --     did he seem enlightened?

Neo is really the only one who trancends the typical  human mentality.

my point is, they are free from the matrix YES--
But  they still have a long way to go to be free on  a more profound level-  like buddhisms  ego abandoment ideals.

freedom is being free from our mind,  they say that in the matrix-  but the people are zion are not free-  they still get angry for one,  which suggests they are still slaves to there own negative emotions.

i think they  did a bad job representing  the  "free" people of zion.

i liked Neos  vision in the 3rd near the end, where all was energy-  very astral planey

[Anonymous]

THE PEOPLE WEREN'T FREED!!!  At least not all of them.  Only the one's that wanted freedom.  It actually looped again.  There will be another Neo, and another one, and another one, and another one bites the dust.  Sorry.  Anyways, you could say time began again and a new cycle started.  Funny that Neo means new in latin and that a new cycle began.  Makes you think but only 'til you finish this sentence.[]

[kenshinhan604]

i liked the rain that it just that fight which was shite

[Yerzak06]

Yea, especially when the shockwaves created by their punches made the rain for into spheres.

[Fat_Turkey]

That last fight scene would be cooler if DBZ had never been invented.

I would have to say that most of the philosophy they put in those movies comes from a freakin Philosophy 101 class you can pick up at practically any movie.

Of course the fighting was anime style - The Matrix was originally planned to be an anime, but the Wachowski brothers even said in the making of The Matrix that it would be way cooler to have all of that anime-style stuff done by real actors.

The only thing that bugs me is that they should have left it as just The Matrix. As soon as they made Reloaded the last two movies became total action/sci-fi cliché movies. I gotta admit though, it was pretty damn cool.

The Matrix was an a pretty ominous movie. It left you thinking "what if." Reloaded and Revolutions are just there to saturate the vast majority of the population's thirsts for an ending. When really, if you look at the first movie, there really isn't much they could have done with it. Hence the creation of new characters, such as the keymaker, Agent Smith's return, etcetera.

Again, back to the fighting scene between Smith and Neo. There are only a few things that seperate it from DBZ:

-The spheres would be made by energy blasts
-When they fought eachother mid-air, the idea of aerodynamics and physics would pretty much have to be thrown out the window
-Energy flames
-THAT'S NOT POSSIBLE!
-Fighting on some distant planet nobody cares about



You may all think after all that I hated the movie. In actual fact, I actually quite liked it. I probably hate Dragonball Z for taking something so cool (fighting in midair) into a total pile of crap.[]

Later all[|)]
~FT

[Fat_Turkey]

One last thing

Did anybody notice that Neo was, in actual fact, a program?

The Oracle:"The power of the One extends back to where it came from, the Source."

The Source either being a program itself, the Matrix(as a machine), or a machine that runs the Matrix (as well as being part of a theory in Astral Dynamics []).
Therefore, Neo was a program from the start. Or at least that's what I think.

~FT

[kakkarot]

the power of 'the one' extends back to the source, 'the one' does not neccessarily extend back to the source.

~kakkarot

[TheWanderer]

Eh eh eh, the cycle will NOT begin again.  The ending of this Neo was far different than his predecessors.  You see, the humans finally had a bargaining chip with the machines in the form of Agent Smith.  Remember in Reloaded what the Smiths said?  They said something along the lines of "This didn't happen in the previous times" (referring to Smith's empowerment and freedom from control by the machines).  Smith became his own entity, and that has never happened before in any previous Matrix's.

So, since he was his own entity with the power to absorb everyone in the Matrix for his own benefit, Smith posed (obviously) a huge threat to the Machine empire.  The Machines couldn't stop him, only Neo could.  So, this put the Machines in a bargaining position -- peace between Zion and the Machine Empire, OR Zion gets destroyed by the Machine Empire, and the Machine Empire gets destroyed by Smith (Smith's sole purpose, as stated in the movie a few times, is destruction).

So, when Neo asked for peace, he got it at the expense of his and Smith's life.  Also, the Machines are now allowing those who reject the Matrix to live (rather than flushing them down the toilet like Neo in the first movie).  The point of the Architect is to constantly come up with a better Matrix, with the goal of a Matrix that no humans will reject.  Remember the Utopian matrix?  It was perfect, and tons of humans rejected it.  Even with the current Matrix, humans reject it, but just a lot less than the Utopian one (not all humans need assistance as Neo did, though Neo did always sense something was afoot).

Also, the remember what Morpheus said in the first movie -- the machines use a combination of humans AND a form of fusion for energy -- in other words, they have plenty of energy, even if they miss out on a couple million humans that reject the matrix.

That's the difference between the previous Ones, and Neo.

Oh, and the "Source" is just the power source for the Machines.  Neo taps into that Source directly, which allows him to perform those feats outside of the Matrix -- that may be a trait exclusive to this One as well.

Oh, and one more thing!  In all the previous cycles, only 16 survivors were left in Zion.  There were tons of survivors this time around, as only the military was basically destroyed (not the civilians, which are obviously the larger population).

Peace.

[GrindxKing]

Please give a minute and read this through

Hello all, I don't know if it's just me... And my perception of the movie... But I think that most of you have got a COMPLETELY different view than what I got from the movies... I got from it that this time everything was WAY different than anything that had happened with the previous versions of the Matrix... If you remember what Agent Smith, and many others, said OVER and OVER, "This it was happening just like before... But not exactly..." True, there had been "One's" over and over again... But this time it was different... Neo was in fact different than the others that had come before him... And because of the way Neo killed Smith in the first movie, it imprinted on Smith some different abilities and insight that he never had before in previous versions of the Matrix... Neo then later on in the movies grew "spiritually enlightened", where no other "One" had before... This time Neo actually touched the "source" or "God"...

"The power of the one extends beyond this world (Matrix), it extends all the way back to where it came from." –Oracle. "Where?" –Neo. "The source... That is what you felt when you touched those sentinels. You weren't ready for it... You should be dead..." –Oracle.

It's saying that the reality of the Matrix shared the same reality of the real world... That means that both the Matrix and the Real world both shared an essence with God... Why? Because the Matrix and the Real world are basically programs co-existing and running in a realm that God wrote, figuratively speaking... Think about it... The Matrix was ultimately spawned by the dream of man to create artificial intelligence, to recreate what God gave us... The ability to dream... The ability to make a choice... In turn we were able to envision, or "dream" up, the technology that created the Matrix...

Look at the world that we call "Real"... What makes us up? Or even reality as a whole? Look at DNA... What is it? It's made up of the specific arrangement of 4 bases... Adenine, thiamine, cytosine, and guanine... It's these 4 bases arranged in a certain order that make us look like humans. Instead of 1's and 0's, it's 0's, 1's, 2's, and 3's... It's the three dimensional blueprint of what we, as humans, are supposed to look like... Then you have genes, which make up a sort of memory storage system between family members... It's a more complex programming language consisting of 23 chromosomes arranged by the culmination of both parents upon conception... So basically, DNA would be the software running to keep information stored within a species, while genes are also a program running used to store information between family members, the brain being OUR program running that acts also as a storage device to keep an ongoing record of our life and to keep vitals, and our soul as being the overall USER... And the overall background bios of physical reality being ran by variations of the equation E=MC2 on a fabric of space and time... Energy=Mass Times the constant speed of Light Squared... It means that you can't destroy energy without making a small bit of matter and you can't destroy matter without making a sh#@ ton of energy... It's a basic flip-flop... Just like in a computer... A 1 and a 0... A 1 being matter and a 0 being energy, or vise versa... And what we are finding out in recent breakthroughs in science is that the 1's and 0's of physical reality are nothing but different vibrations on a "fabric" of space and time, made up of tightly woven strings...

The Matrix occupying an actual physical place in the same "fabric" of space and time as our three dimensional reality would allow the sharing and overflow of information between the two... That's why the Trainman would have been able to write a program that made a "bridge" or "buffer" between the two... Which would further explain why Neo was able to go back into the Matrix without being "jacked in"... Neo was able to leave his body in an out-of-body state and be able to make influences in the coding of the Matrix just like he was jacked in... Yet it was not the same as being jacked in because he was doing so without the use of his physical brain as a middleman between his soul and the construct of the Matrix, instead he was doing so with his own projected etheric self...

"But you found Neo?" –Link. "Can't you see him?" –Morpheus. "We were reading something, but I couldn't tell what it was..." –Link.

On the other hand look at Smith when he transcended from the Matrix to the "Real" world, as Bane... They said that Bane's neural reading were odd...

"...Some cross synaptic firing, as well as signs of recent trauma, with fresh fiberatic scaring throughout the cortex..." –Maggie, doctor on the Logos.

His brain was formatted, to put it bluntly... Smith killed Bane, and by killing I mean made Bane believe he was dying in the Matrix, which in turn triggered the reflex in his physical human body to eject his etheric body, or soul. Then right before the body died Smith then wrote his own essence into the physical human brain that used to belong to Bane... Making a new "user" based upon the current programming and memory up until that point in time that was Smith... The only difference between the program Smith and Neo though was the fact that Neo was HUMAN, he was not a program written by an artificial intelligence created by man, but an actual soul, or essentially a better, or more holy, program written by God himself... And because of that he shared a truer essence, or relationship, or even priority, with the "source", or God... And because of his further "enlightenment" this time around, he was able to do things that no other "One" had been able to do previously...
Things, like his sight when he was in the Real world at the end of the third movie. I believe this was actually a representation of astral sight, and this was something that the others had never been able to do before... To see the bigger picture than just the Matrix and the REAL world... Just like in the first when he became AWARE of the Matrix and was able to see IT'S coding, he was able to become aware in the physical and see it's coding as well... The coding and medium that God created... He was able to go BEYOND that of his predecessors...

The whole premise of the movie was the human ability to make choices... And because of the anomaly of human choice you couldn't have two Neo's exactly alike... This is why the monitors behind Neo when he was visiting the Architect were all doing something completely different... Just like Neo was saying moving and doing things different... Each one shared the same basic genetic makeup or coding of the "One" that the machines had cloned over and over. But each one was different because they each had a different soul, spirit, essence, life force, etc... It is true that they were all influenced by the coding that was engraved in them all since birth, (i.e. DNA, Genes, etc.), but each one differed because of the fact they had their own unique soul... And because of this human "anomaly", as the machines would call it, it allowed giving the right circumstances, the birth of a TRUE One... A One that was able to go where no other before him had gone before... To be enlightened to the point where he actually touched bases with God... And thus be able to be to free himself not only from the Matrix but the veil that had been put over his eyes in even the Real world itself... The fact that there really was.... No... Spoon...

But like I said... This is just my take... And I'm not saying that I'm right... Or that anyone else is wrong... I'm just saying that this is where I thought the whole gist of the movie was going... And I believe that in making this movie the Wochowski brothers meant to open up the general publics eye's to the reality of duality and that we REALLY don't know what IS real... It's only through self-awareness, drawing from within, and freeing our minds, that we finally see what actually is...

I would really like to hear from anybody about this post and see if anyone else agrees or shares any of the same views... Either post here, or my email address is MichaelRoberts00@aol.com ... Hey... It's your choice []

-Michael

[Euphoric Sunrise]

That was a fantastic post, GrindxKing (and welcome to The Pulse, by the way[])!

I'd have to watch all three movies again i think to make sure, but i think i pretty much agree with what you've said. I haven't given them any great detailed thought and i think a lot of it still seems to confuse me, but it does interest me greatly.

Although i haven't looked at it in detail or anything, i can still see that it is riddled with philisophical and spiritual parallels and that's what i love about the trilogy.

Revolutions was my favourite of the three, because it sort of summed things up, as others have said. I think the fight scene with Smith near the end when they were both in that crator they had created was the apogee of the entire trilogy and probably my favourite part, as well.

Sure, it might be a bit cliche and what ever, but i still really enjoyed it and i look forward to seeing it again some time.

[TheLunatic]

Nicely summed up...

quote:Originally posted by kakkarot
but on my way home from the theater, i was thinking about just how different the style of the third was from the style of the first two and i realized that the third had wrapped it up quite nicely and that's becaue the movies weren't about the action, it was about the thinking. in the first matrix movie, it asked "What is reality?" and got people to start thinking about what really is real around them. is what you think is real, truly real? can you really trust your senses to tell you the truth? are others who they seem to be? are you who you seem to be? what is truth? what is reality? the first movie was designed to get people to start thinking, to start challenging their beliefs and opinions about this world.
while the first movie cause people to start thinking, the second movie played off of that by guiding people's thinking along certain paths. the second movie didn't just get people to question, it gave people something to think about. what really runs the world: is it cause and effect? is it karma? predestination and fate? maybe everything happens by chance? or any other such philosophical notion? which of these does the world run by? perhaps it is more than just one.
the third movie summed it all up by pretty much saying (from what i could determine) that while such things as karma, fate, cause and effect, chance and coincidence, etc are all a part of reality as we know it, what truly drives our world is choice. beyond any of the aforementioned, what we CHOOSE to do with our lives overrides the control of all of those things (karma, fate, cause and effect, chance and coincidence, etc): eventhough such things may still influence our lives, they will not control our lives if we choose our own path and make our own decisions.

And in the end perhaps that is what life really is about: rather than just letting the waves of life fall upon us, the fact that some choose to do something with their lives regardless of what life throws at them is what makes them truly special.

quote:Smith: Why do you continue to fight?

Neo: Because I choose to.

the oracle is the perfect example of this: she would tell people what they needed to hear, but she still knew it was up to them to make up their "own damned mind".
~kakkarot

[TheLunatic]

If they didn't fight then they would have all been dead before neo could have done anything. Everyone did what they had to in order to form the outcome.

quote:Originally posted by MJ-12

Aye, the third movie was definitely much SLOWER than the first two and it was heavily cliched, especially the battle for Zion. However, a lot of the cliches surrounding the battle and the flight back to zion was undermined by the fact that everything those people did was pointless. Only Neo could truly stop the machines by operating on a much higher level of action and understanding than the rebels in zion.

I was also thinking lately of the matrix, and neo et al, acting as important symbols for our culture. In many mystical schools of thought a symbol is great in that it expands one's awareness and understanding, but it can also be limiting if dwelled upon too long. Perhaps, the third movie was about destroying the cultural symbols built up around the matrix movies...

Anyway, I'm still thinking through it and I'm certainly not done yet [8D]

BTW, 106:06 = 66 min 6 seconds or

666

[8D]

[Anonymous]

It has happened before because at the end of the movie the girl says will we see Neo again and the Oracle says yes.  It followed the same path that it always did.  That is how the Oracle knew what was going to happen because she had seen it all happen before.

[MJ-12]

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