Can you be "seen" by others while projecting?

[Dragen]

Hello Vivien!
Let me be the first to welcome you to the forums!  I could have sworn I saw you post this same thing over at AstralSociety.  And if not, i'm having an extended case of astral deja vu.  lol

Anyway, i'm not an experienced projector.  I am, however making great progress.  This may seem shocking to you, but while you really hate paralysis, I try to induce it.  But it's important to remember that this "state" can be manipulated to cause a conscious OBE.

If you read Robert Bruce's Treatise on OOBE's, you will learn (according to his personal research) that a seperation occurs when all of us goes to sleep, where our etheric body hovers just above our physical.  

So in theory, if you were in a deep state of SP, a separation had occurred but you weren't controlling it, which could have led to three scenarios:

1.) Your fiance was asleep and in an unconscious "separation state" like Robert Bruce suggests, and something startled, or got his attention when he was snapped back in to his physical.  During this brief split second of time, he could have seen you hovering there.

2.) Your fiance has the ability to see things on a much more complex level.  It may take a lower altered state of consciousness for him, but it may explain why he saw it.

3.) Your fiance is just like the rest of us and you somehow had a tremendous amount of etheric energy to project in to the physical partially.  This would then allow ANYBODY to see you.  However, I have never heard of this before, and it's just a theory of mine.

But one thing is for sure, you are confident "something" happened.  I know that I have had many experiences where I was in a deep sleep (unconscious) and something LOUD happened in my house (like my cats knocking over an entire kitchen chair, on to a plastic bowl of food, and it explodes upon impact, shattering and scattering pieces of food all over the kitchen floor) <-- lol don't ask, and it causes a very HARSH "slam" on your astral body and you are conscious just enough to feel like a freight train slammed in to the "other" you.  It is my belief that some of us are more "aware" of this transition for longer periods of time.. possibly like your fiance.. which explains why he could see you.

But now you.. on the other hand, are stuck in that "transition".  The sounds you hear, the feelings you get.. need to be discarded.  For one, I personally believe they aren't real.  At least most of them.  Fear manisfests itself in very strange ways when you are teetering on a higher level of consciousness.  Especially in the astral.  It is my belief that "something" could be there waiting for you to cross over.. or maybe something is trying to get your attention, but I think it is more rare, and believe that what you are hearing/seeing/feeling is a lot of noise from your own consciousness and quite possibly on the other side.

Try tuning your radio to a point between two very close frequencies, where you pick up a lot of noise and two seperate stations.  This is kind of what i'm getting at here.

If you are simply "seeing" things and "hearing" things.. this is the hypnogogic state.. and it's a period where your physical body is asleep attempting to dream.  You are very close indeed... now the trick for you (which I am working very hard at right now) is relaxing and allowing your consciousness to shrink to a "tiny little box".  What I mean is, your awareness is a very large box, extending in to the dreaming process.. which hinders your efforts to project/OBE.  You want to throw out thoughts of fear, or awareness that you're paralyzed (as hard as it sounds) and trick your physical body and other part of your mind in to thinking you're going with the flow.  You only need to be "aware", just barely.  No thoughts, don't think of the physical body, just watch the images behind your eyelids.. just let it happen and shrink that awareness box down to where you are almost asleep consciously.  

From here, you will enter a state of vibrations, humming, and quite possibly in your case (as well as mine) a lot of blue / white sparkles all over the place, and a feeling of intense "falling".. do NOT break your concentration at this point.. just go with the flow.. thinking about it, or even getting the slightest bit of excitement will break it..

That is where my problem is.  At first it was fear, then it was concentrating to hard and creating too large of a "conscious box".. and now it's trying to remain focused during new experiences.

I'm not an expert.. I have read a lot.. and I study metaphysics at every chance I get.  But I lack the personal experience on the etheric/astral plane.  (I'm almost there!)  But I thought I would share with you, what I have learned.. especially during paralysis, and what I figured out to be too "overly conscious" while your body sleeps.  I hope this helps, and I hope I wasn't too confusing.

Isn't this an amazing subject?  I always try to remain skeptical about things, but I keep running in to things which disprove my own theories!

Good luck!

[crazy_colombiang]

My dad has a friend that says she can see the enregy produced or that has the astral double.

[vivien58]

Hello all.

Long story short.  My last episode of Sleep Paralysis, I decided not to fight it, cause I didn't want to wake my man up.  And since the lamp is on his side of the bed, I just decided to lay there and try to calm down.  

What really freaked me out about this episode, was that no more than 3-5 minutes after I first heard the "voice", my fiance wakes up from sleep, rolls over and turns the light on.  He looks at me and kind of shakes his head, and says that he "thought he seen something hoovering over the bed."  When I asked him to elaborate, he didn't just kind of turned the lamp back off and went to sleep.  He did not remember it the next day.

Now, up till this week, I thought I had been seeing/hearing ghosts all this time, and that he had seen it too that night.

Then, I learned about SP.

Question is, is it possible that I projected out of SP without realizing it, and he seen me while doing it?

I have had lucid dreams all my life, and episodes of SP about 2-3 times a year for the last 9 years, complete with visual and auditory hallucinations, although I never get the feeling of pressure on my chest, or sense a presence, which my mom does.  I just get full blown visual and audio effects.  I had always just thought I was crazy, but now that I've found other people have experienced this also, I want to learn how to use this to my advantage.  I also think I have the ability to "hear" others thoughts, but that's a whole other story lol.  

Thank you for any help you can give, I'm really just wondering if he could have seen me while I was projecting, if I was.