so... does an orgasm decrease your ability to A.P?

[WalkerInTheWoods]

quote:can anyone find me a website (non pornographic/pictorial would be ideal) that gives the gist of the technique that the book touches on (for men)?

I do not know of any websites, but the book is good and sounds like what you want. It is cheap and can be bought online if you are a little embarrased about getting it from the store. Otherwise do a search and you might get lucky.

quote:and i'm assuming the multiple thing works for masturbation, not just sex?

Yes, in some ways even better since you can concentrate more on yourself.

quote:Why would it?

To what are you referring?

quote: I think you're talking about Tantric sex... Considered by some to be THE path to enlightenment... http://www.tantra.com/

I am talking about Taoism. I have not studied Trantra so I am not sure how similar they are. I will take a look at the link sometime. Thank you.

[gleizner]

Hi zuzee,

    What I've found is that this is question is contextual.  I've found orgasm or lack thereof to be both a great help and a great hindrance.  

    For starters:  if you're horny (and you're me), you're not exiting your body 99% of the time.  A quick jerk is great, and if you just relax immediately after orgasm (a quick cleanup, sure) you should find your entire body greatly relaxed (release of endorphins) and your mind as well - an ideal time to try and AP, unless you're sleepy...  In which case you may want to move about and ground yourself back in a waking state and then meditate from there afterwards.

    Next: if you're NOT horny, but decisioning over whether or not to hit an orgasm before you go to sleep (probably due to habitual pre-sleep wanking), take your personal tiredness into consideration - if you feel that orgasm would relax you straight into sleep, skip the tug-a-war.  Otherwise, go for it and repeat the above.

    Finally:  I mentioned that 99% of the time being horny meant no AP...  Now I'd like to refer to the 1%.  It's not necessarily that the odds are that bad, it's just that I've only had the one experience and have never tried the exercise again.  The exercise to which I refer was called the Suneye technique and was offered free on the internet until the guy got some positive feedback and decided to start charging people for his techniques.  Needless to say, I never felt the desire to pay for more techniques that may or may not work when I have access to an infinite number that may or may not work for free.  In this exercise, you stimulate yourself by masturbation for approximately an hour before going to sleep, without ever climaxing.  The more flustered, frustrated and generally hot and bothered you can keep yourself during this time, the better.  The closer to orgasm without hitting climax, the better.  Then you just go to sleep, with a mild autosuggestion or such.  The technique boasted that almost immediately you would find yourself out of body.  (If you're tired enough to be able to drop off after all that).  And I did - immediately found myself dropped into a lucid dream from which I exited and went astral.  The reason I've never repeated the exercise is because it sucks monkey balls, as you may imagine, and I have other techniques that are almost as effective.  However, if you're desperate, give that one a try!

Hope something here helps!

JP

[zuzee]

Hello,

I'm new here and have never been able to astral project at will. ... Actually, the only reason I searched for this forum  was this question (on the subject line).  However when I found this forum I got too excited reading messages and... well, now i've been a member for a few weeks and finally remember to ask my question.
The thing is, what I gather from reading your posts is that you need to be relaxed to try to astral project, but, when I'm relaxed, I also feel like having sex so....  is it harder to astral project after a good (or maybe a couple) of good orgasms?
I need the opinion of the experts.  Maybe once I feel relaxed I should try to astral project first and then, if I don't end up deep asleep, I can have sex... as consolation?  hhhmmm... if I go first for sex I will be alot more relaxed afterwards but I'm concerned that I will have lost enough energy to have even less chances to astral proyect.

Thank you for your inputs.
Zuzee (female, by the way  )