Robert Bruce's books are witchcraft...???

[Aries]

They put it in witchcraft because it has to do with "the supernatural".
-Aries

[Nagual]

Hum... a lot of new age stuff has to do with "the supernatural" too...

[Aries]

Yea but the Astral Plane isnt viewed the same as other things. It is viewed as more of a fake, something of imagination to the public. Where as most other new age stuff is more widely accepted.
-Aries

[TheSeeker]

I bought it from Barnes & Nobles, and it was in the New Age section, but then again, the witchcraft books are in the New Age section also, at the one I go to.

[kakkarot]

quote:Where as most other new age stuff is more widely accepted.

which is pretty funny because i, personally, think the (vast majority of) new age stuff (that i've had the unfortunateness of looking through, anyway) is crap, so if i ever wrote a book i'd be rather indignant to find it in a new age section ^_^ .

although i do agree that a book about astral dynamics does not belong in witchcraft either [].

oh well, people just hold differing views from one another since we are, after all, different [].

~kakkarot

[Ybom]

See? It's strange for even us to diagnose the problem here. I think there's a majorly J-Lo butt sized twist in the system here, and it's not as minute as a small book misplacement.

Oh well, whatever happened there, it can't be all bad can it? I just thought it might have meant something more. And as for New Age material being accepted more in the public eye than the Astral Plane, I don't think either are widely accepted enough to create an accurate statistic.

[lullabi]

Well, in most books about Witchcraft and Wicca, they talk about astral projection/teach you how to do it (though mostly it involves sitting down and meditating for ten minutes. And then when you open your eyes, you will be in the astral realm, apparently. They make it sound really easy. I don't think anybody could learn to AP from those books). So ... maybe people do think it's something only witches do.

And J.Lo's butt is not big.

[Ybom]

I never said J-Lo's butt was big though, although I implied it. I'll just say the system is screwed up then, so less chance of offending someone. Interesting to think that people would label a book without consulting the author in cases like this (and ya I said something about bias before, but you would have to use some level of bias to label anything anyways...)

Oh yes, my concept of New Age is not one of humiliation like it is for some others here. I believe it's an up and coming section regarding a new level of science that is currently having trouble because of lack of testing and ability. I guess some think that it's another fiction section though and would only go there to read another Cinderella story. Sigh. Whatever.

Have a good Christmas all. I actually still have presents to wrap (all of them) and so does my mom and it's 11 am! Talk about procrastination...

[Aries]

"j-lo's" butt isnt really big but its kinda big, but very nice I must add.
I dont think that a book store would consult the author on where to place it.
They just think of it as the same thing as any of the witch craft books because it talks about something that cannot be proven to exist by science..
my two cents
-Aries

[Dark Knight]

Reminds me of the time I went looking for a specific book by Whitley Strieber (grey ET abductee for those unfamaliar)...Barnes and Noble had it in the Science Fiction section.

Either someone with a bad sense of humor or someone unversed in famaliarity with the author.

I found AD here in the Midwest while visiting my parents...B&J had it in the New Age section.

[holy reality]

"
Barnes and Noble, a giant bookstore chain in the US carries Robert Bruce's books, but there is a major catch. You won't find them in the new age section as I first thought they would be. I had to ask an attendant where AD was and she was also suprised to find it in witchcraft. "

I just went there today looking for that very book and they did not have a witchraft section.... which doesn't surprise me considering how religious everyone is out here... but I went in spirituality and new age and all related places and it wasn't there....

I probably wouldn't have felt comfortable buying it though since I was with my mom.

[Ybom]

maybe you should discuss more with your mom then, holy reality. what's b&j, Dark Knight?

[no_leaf_clover]

quote:Originally posted by TheSeeker

I bought it from Barnes & Nobles, and it was in the New Age section, but then again, the witchcraft books are in the New Age section also, at the one I go to.

Same here, except for Witchcraft books at the store I usually go to are in the section right next door: the Occult Section. Then I think we have like a section for Tarot cards next to that... Then, next to the tarot cards, humor [|)]

[Fat_Turkey]

First, let's just get one thing straight. People are stupid. And ignorant. So they wouldn't know witchcraft from astral projection and those two combined from New Age. The only "New Age" things that are accepted are those disseminated by stupid hippies who blab on about things they don't understand, like saying that if you rub some real expensive oil on your body twice a day that your aura will be healed, as if it needed healing in the first place. Idiots.

As for Whitley Strieber, he pisses me off. His alien conspiracies are rooted firmly in unstable material yet he pulls more information out of his rear end trying to convince people that his basis for his beliefs is stable. Some crap about Gnostic Christian texts talks about Archons, which, in case you don't know, means "dark rulers." Now all of a sudden he says that it "points to the existance of Greys." Ancient texts are so freakin vague that you can't just say that it points to something, no matter how much stuff you pull out of your...well...swearing's been banned.

Sitchin's work is very good in the way that it asks questions that point towards the possibility of aliens raising us, but he doesn't swear it as the Gospel truth, or at least he hasn't in his first book, The 12th Planet. The whole idea of alien abductions is just one or possibly more of the following:

-waking paralysis, a phenomena not only related to astral projection
-overactive imagination and lucid dreaming
-the fact that Greys could most possibly be negs
-natural projection involving Greys attacking people
-people trying to scare you and/or to get other idiots to follow them

Look at the ki kids, even a friggin 15 year old can get a whole legion of other 13-15 year olds to follow his ideals because he makes it seem believable. I mean, for Christ's sake (sorry Christians...), we could have CREATED the Greys! Belief shapes the aether, and they seem to reside most prominently there. Take a look at the history of what people thought aliens looked like. I mean back a few decades ago they were fuzzy little hobbits, and then they had tentacles and one eyeball. It wasn't til that whole Roswell thing that people thought of what is now commonly known as "Grey" or "Zeta." Real fancy names...funny how I think they could just be as made up as the rest of it.

I have completely lost whether I had a point or not.

Later
~FT

[Rob]

"As for Whitley Strieber, he pisses me off. His alien conspiracies are rooted firmly in unstable material yet he pulls more information out of his rear end trying to convince people that his basis for his beliefs is stable. Some crap about Gnostic Christian texts talks about Archons, which, in case you don't know, means "dark rulers." Now all of a sudden he says that it "points to the existance of Greys." Ancient texts are so freakin vague that you can't just say that it points to something, no matter how much stuff you pull out of your...well...swearing's been banned."

[:O] Rather an oversimplification! I think the reason Whitley can say greys are real is more because he has had considerable physical contact with them, and put himself through deep hypnosis to try and prove he is not lying. There's a lot more to this issue than you make out. You've heard of the Starchild skull and all its weird cousins I assume....
As for the ancient text bit, a bit unfair IMO. I have never heard he say anything about that so I'm guessing it is not one of his main thrust arguments but more complimentary......
I like Whitley!
Rob

[holy reality]

quote:Originally posted by Ybom

maybe you should discuss more with your mom then, holy reality. what's b&j, Dark Knight?

my mom's a somewhat conservative christian and scoffs at other viewpoints... this trait is passed on to my brother sadly.. I see him imitate her all the time.

Like... I can't think of an example but something comes on tv and she goes "that's wrong!" and my brother's like "yeah, that's wrong!" and I'm like shut the **** up you intolerant bastards. (on the inside)

all this flag waving we're #1 conservative nonsense gets to me sometimes...  I mean take your superiority and gloat in it if you want, but you don't need to shove it down other people, especially when it comes to trying to vote religion into office and pass oppressive laws and things like that.

and I guess my dad seems to be caught in the middle of it... I don't really know what he actually believes... when he's around my family he seems to support Bush but he was talking suspiciously about him when it was just him and I... so... it's just..

they would be accepting of meditatoin but I think astral projection would kind of cross the line into "occult" or "witchraft" or "the devil" especially given that I listen to Tool and if they ever felt like lazily researching them they would see heavy "occult" influences.

plus they forbid me to use legal drugs despite being of the legal age to do so.

i'd just rather have them think I'm "normal" than to have to put up with "that's nice... blah blah blah church blah Jesus?"



but..... I'm thinking about ordering AD and PSD online.

[Ybom]

Sorry to make it look like I believe that, but this is important to me.

Barnes and Noble, a giant bookstore chain in the US carries Robert Bruce's books, but there is a major catch. You won't find them in the new age section as I first thought they would be. I had to ask an attendant where AD was and she was also suprised to find it in witchcraft. I mean it isn't that big of a deal, but I think that it's limiting to the book to describe it as something only "witches" would use. I'm not saying witchcraft is bad either, just that it's almost like putting a Star Trek book in the Historical Fiction section, get my drift?

Besides lending a helping hand to those AD shoppers for Chistmas or New Years (or the pocket change gotten from said holidays), I was wondering if there could be a petition put forth to B&N to recategorize Robert's books to New Age. If not that's ok, just need to make sure everyone knows where it is. Anyone else notice any fishy placement of his books in other stores?