Stainless Steel Sword Can Cut Entity Attachments

[beavis]

Are you sure it doesnt work only because you think it will? What about steel makes it work better than other metals or plastic?

[boydster]

quote:Originally posted by beavis

Are you sure it doesnt work only because you think it will? What about steel makes it work better than other metals or plastic?

Ya got me there, Beavis--I confess that I've never tried it with a plastic picnic knife.....

(runs up to the kitchen to see if he can find one)

But did you try the stainless steel to see if *that* works? One thing to remember is that negs don't want to be found and they will help you find all the excuses you need to not try something like this--[]

[kakkarot]

are you sure it's not iron (or cold iron maybe)? i've heard quite a few "rumors" that iron has been used for centuries because it has a sort of negating effect on magic (ie, to get rid of a curse, touch cold iron and it should go away). has anyone else heard about that?

~kakkarot

[Mick]

quote:Originally posted by beavis

Are you sure it doesnt work only because you think it will? What about steel makes it work better than other metals or plastic?

I think that this is often the case, objects are imbued with a quality by usage and/or folklore. Sometimes I will pick up a remote control because it is to hand for the purpose of aiding discharge of energy and when picking it up later can pick up on the residual energy flow especially if inadvertantly pointing it towards myself [B)]

[boydster]

quote:Originally posted by kakkarot

are you sure it's not iron (or cold iron maybe)? i've heard quite a few "rumors" that iron has been used for centuries because it has a sort of negating effect on magic

I was told specifically that it is the alloy known to us as "Stainless Steel", and that it does indeed have an effect all by itself. I've had some people try it who didn't know what was going on and they definitely got some action out of it.

It goes without saying that if you understand about spiritual warfare and talismanic magic, that one would want to enhance the effect with ones personal fire. I can emit a flame from my fingers and do the same kind of clearance on myself without the metal sword. I don't feel that it's as powerful though.

It doesn't have to be a sword though. I've used nice big stainless steel kitchen carving knives as well in a pinch.

[Michael_Stonewing]

Since I have of late started to feel the need for a nice strong sharp sword....(ah phalic weaponry lol) and have practiced a nice bit of enchanting once or twice...after I learned not to make the energy semi sentient I will give it a shot.
I have not read the other replies yet (I know I should) I am reminded that Oberons children were defenseless against iron. And while I am not fae I am also extremely allergic to cold iron. Sorry about this reply being a little loopy feeling but my body is fighting off a virus so I am a little dopey at this moment.

[SpectralDragon]

I have a stainless steel dagger. I will try a few things with it:

-Cut energy attachments brought on by negs
-See if adding more body energy works better
-"feel out" the dagger when cutting to try and get and understand of why it does or does not work
-make stronger attachments to things to see if they can be cut.

I will let you guys know what I find out. I Believe, but am not completely sure, that it's possible because I notice that as I hold a weapon my aura goes into it. Might make my aura sharp [] who knows lol

[James S]

I'd have to go along with Kakkarot's thoughts that cold iron is the metal with the real ability to upset energy flow. As he mentioned this is why it has been used for so long to counter magic.

Looking at this with a little bit of physics - astral entities are energy based. Even though they're not of this physical world, everything we've learned about energy beings indicates that they're still subject to a lot of the laws regarding EM energy, just possibly existing at a much higher energy/frequency state than what we know of.

Iron or ferrite objects are known to alter/disrupt EM fields. An object of cold iron, is (almost) pure iron, so it would have the greatest effect on EM energy. Stainless steel typically has a 10% mix of either Chromium, Chromium & Vanadium, or Molybdenum & Vanadium. These other metals do not have the same level of effect on EM feilds as pure iron does, so I can't see how stainless steel would be as effective as iron.

As to detaching negs, I've suffered only very few attachments, but upsetting the energy at the point their attached, either by visualising a ripple along that point, or focussing an energy build up in my hand and running my hand over it has always worked. Negs should be treated just like mosquitoes or leeches. You don't have to get too complicated about it.

James.

[Mick]

quote:Originally posted by James S


As to detaching negs, I've suffered only very few attachments, but upsetting the energy at the point their attached, either by visualising a ripple along that point, or focussing an energy build up in my hand and running my hand over it has always worked. Negs should be treated just like mosquitoes or leeches. You don't have to get too complicated about it.

Agreed to the methods, as to getting too complicated about it is something we also advocate. To do otherwise is to box oneself in under a pile of strange rules and methods and risk boxing in or filtering perceptions.
The expression not seeing the wood for the trees comes to mind

[boydster]

quote:Originally posted by James S

As to detaching negs, I've suffered only very few attachments, but upsetting the energy at the point their attached, either by visualising a ripple along that point, or focussing an energy build up in my hand and running my hand over it has always worked. Negs should be treated just like mosquitoes or leeches. You don't have to get too complicated about it.

James.

I agree in theory, James. I've removed them from myself before with nothing other than staring at them and willing them away from me. We seem to be a lot more powerful than they are in our element.

The need for my sword comes up in several occasions though. First of all, in order for me to become lucid enough to see entities I have to do a somewhat time consuming meditation to raise kundalini up to my upper chakras and settle my attention down into a light trance. I don't always have time to do this. Another time that I find the sword handy is when I'm tired or sick and don't have the energy necessary to fight.

Then there is the situation that many people find themselves in--they understand and believe in the whole thing but they have no clairvoyant sensitivity at all and can't do the kind of conscious, visually aware exorcism that others of us can do. The sword is great for them. I have a number of friends who are spiritually minded and of the latter catagory who use swords to clear themselves. They've never seen an entity ever--but they all claim to feel the difference when using their sword regularly vs not.

The instruction to use stainless steel is something that is supposed to have come directly from an Ascended Member of the White Lodge. One of Blavatsky's teachers, I think. I didn't question it and it seems to work great for me. I am very scientifically minded, but I just don't have time to carefully test the efficacy of many different materials and alloys. It works and I'm grateful.

[SpectralDragon]

Hate to say it, guys, but the stainless steel sword idea did not work for me the way you guys were using it. However, if I concentrated on putting more of my aura into the blade, it did work somewhat. but not good enough, in most cases.

[boydster]

quote:Originally posted by SpectralDragon

Hate to say it, guys, but the stainless steel sword idea did not work for me the way you guys were using it. However, if I concentrated on putting more of my aura into the blade, it did work somewhat. but not good enough, in most cases.

Dragon,

I'm curious, could you describe more in detail what you experienced? Like, did you wait until you had a neg on you that you could clearly see and then try to cut its tentacles and nothing happened, or what?

I'm not challenging you....I'm just curious about how you went about your test and how you determined the results.

I appreciate the fact that you took the time to experiment with this. I'm a little disappointed overall at the lack of feedback here though. I read postings from people with rather depressing neg problems here quite often, and I was hoping that a few of them would try this and provide some feedback.

This technique really is tailor-made for people who aren't already experienced at spiritual warfare.

[SpectralDragon]

quote:Originally posted by boydster

quote:Originally posted by SpectralDragon

Hate to say it, guys, but the stainless steel sword idea did not work for me the way you guys were using it. However, if I concentrated on putting more of my aura into the blade, it did work somewhat. but not good enough, in most cases.

Dragon,

I'm curious, could you describe more in detail what you experienced? Like, did you wait until you had a neg on you that you could clearly see and then try to cut its tentacles and nothing happened, or what?

I'm not challenging you....I'm just curious about how you went about your test and how you determined the results.

I appreciate the fact that you took the time to experiment with this. I'm a little disappointed overall at the lack of feedback here though. I read postings from people with rather depressing neg problems here quite often, and I was hoping that a few of them would try this and provide some feedback.

This technique really is tailor-made for people who aren't already experienced at spiritual warfare.

Of course[]

1) Tools: I have one 20" Athame (tip of handle, to tip of blade) that is stainless steel, used only by myself. The Dagger Is highly decorative and not very sharp, though it is my belief that since if used correctly it can still be used to (and I am sorry to be graphic here but..) Kill someone, that it should still be usefull in the following ritual.

2) The "Neg" attachments: Now here is the tricky part: most negs like to pick on people who are new to AP'ing. Anyone who is experienced they generally leave alone. I have been projecting on the conscious level for 2.5 years, and have been lucid dreaming longer than that. Basically here I had to "become the bully" and attack some negs. The response is immediate, the one spider-like entity coming at me immediatly.

3) The sword ritual: During the attack, I had to concentrate a lot more than usual, as I had to use my physical body to do the ritual, while at the same time I had to be in another plane of existence to notice the effects of the ritual and to fend off the Neg. While the neg came at me, I let it attach itself to me. Then, I kept at 50/50 astral and physical. I used the sword ritual. Nothing happened at all.

4) The "Aura" theory: my next attempt was much like the one above: but this time I focused more of my aura into the sword while following above procedures. The results were the same.

5) Focused Body energy: again, attempting procedures from 3. This time focusing energy out the meridian ending at left palm. The results were the same.

6) What happened every time I ran the sword and put the "intent" into it the negs either ignored it completely or they "moved around the blade" as I passed it over my body.

Next attempt: Iron. Copper. (in progress)

boydster, I can fully appreciate what you are trying to do here. I believe that iron and copper will have the same results, but I will try anyway.

I do notice a very strong reaction to running water, though. When I take a shower most neg attachments are swept away. (especially to cold water... though I live in michigan and that is a little TOO cold for me.)

Keep in mind each of them noticed the presence of the sword, and some reacted. Could you talk to your friend again and see if it was a stainless steel or heardened steel, like what a smith would make. I believe that the hardened steel (IE a REAL sword is made by a smith who hardens his steel by smashing it down at high temperature.) would actually work. I don't have access to a REAL sword though.

[Aries]

So then does this work or does it not work?  I personally think thats its more of a mental thing then the sword it self
-Aries

[Ceriel N]

I had intended to attempt this yesterday, but found myself busy most of the day.
Two days ago I brought the 10" drop-point hunting knife (Think Rambo.) I had got for xmas when I was a kid out of storage to examine the possibility for using it for this. I took it out to the tool-shed, sharpened it and honed it. I had deermined that it was made out of stainless steel, high carbon. The reason for sharpening it was that it brings an element of danger into play, and I have to pay attention to what I'm doing as not to cut myself. More attention makes for more focus and better results.

Anyway, this morning, after two very non-good vibes dreams I get up late, turn on the bedside light and grab the knife. I bring to mind what the purpose of what I'm about to is, and how I'm going to go about it.
Starting above my left shoulder and 'cutting' towards the fingers, I had not reached the elbow before the bedside light makes a noise and then burns out. - The room is dark. - I continue to my fingers, keeping in mind to finsih what I started.
Done with the arm I turn on the lights in the roof and continue. - Weaving a large and sharp knife around close to your skin is not a wise thing to do in darkness.

Finally done I must say I feel much better. Some hours have passed at writig moment, I feel energetic and positive in mind. To me this proved a complete success.

Notes:
- I don't have astral vision.
- I've only APed a few times.
- It seems I'm progressing extremely quickly in all areas related to this.

[Aries]

Uhhh so it works?
-Aries

[Ceriel N]

...

I'll say 'yes', but SpectralDragon seems to be saying 'no'.

Only way to find out seems to be to try it for yourself.

[boydster]

I wanted to say thank you to Spectral Dragon for your time and effort spent trying this and reporting back. I really appreciate the detail you put into your description and the control you kept over the experiment.

After reading your debrief and thinking about my years of experience using swords this way and how I started with it, I've had some revelations. It has occurred to me that I have probably completely underestimated and understated the value of two aspects of this ritual.

1. I always begin the use of my sword by vocally asking Archangel Michael to place His Mighty Fiery Sword over mine and impart to my sword and actions His full power. Hopefully, you understand that this really happens and the difference is substantial.

2. My own faith in the process of using a stainless steel sword for this ritual probably has more to do with the success of the thing than the stainless steel. You have to understand that early on I didn't have the same kind of sensitivity or sophisticated discernment regarding my own space and who was there in it besides me (heh, heh). So all I had was faith in what I was told. And I seemed to get results so I continued with the practice and gradually grew in my momentum and efficacy in using it. Now, 20 some years later and able to discern much better what's going on around me, I can assure everyone that when I pick up that sword and begin to work on myself or some other situation, excrement indeed happens.

So in retrospect, I guess you could probably use a screwdriver or a Bic pen or anything that works for you. The sword has a lot of archetypal power in it though--probably from all the damn wars we've fought with them in past lives. So it's really a natural thing, symbolically to use for such a purpose.

I've definitely used kitchen knives and hunting knives in a pinch before though. They work just fine.[]

[boydster]

quote:Originally posted by Ceriel N


Anyway, this morning, after two very non-good vibes dreams I get up late, turn on the bedside light and grab the knife. I bring to mind what the purpose of what I'm about to is, and how I'm going to go about it.
Starting above my left shoulder and 'cutting' towards the fingers, I had not reached the elbow before the bedside light makes a noise and then burns out. - The room is dark. -

Ha-ha!! That kind of stuff happens to me all the time. I can't tell you how many times I have started working with my sword and immediately all hell breaks loose--taps and thumps start happening around the room, glass objects break, things fall down--you name it. It's the spooks desparate to get you to quit what you are doing because you are about to shut them down.

Also, I usually experience a very strong reaction around the back of my neck. The hair raises up and I get shivers and cramps at first when I start the ritual. I just keep hacking and saying mantras of Light and Freedom until all of the sensations and noises stop. When it feels totally peaceful and light and "delicious" in the atmosphere around me, I end the ritual, having succeeded.

[SpectralDragon]

quote:Originally posted by boydster


1. I always begin the use of my sword by vocally asking Archangel Michael to place His Mighty Fiery Sword over mine and impart to my sword and actions His full power. Hopefully, you understand that this really happens and the difference is substantial.

THAT would make a difference. If the Archangel decides to help then the presence of the sword of fire alone would scare most of them away.

[Risu no Kairu]

So, what do I do?

I just rub this knife over my body? All of my body?

[Ceriel N]

Hmmm... I did call all the elements. Gabriel for Wind from the East, Michael for Fire from the South, ...Uriel?, Water from the West and the fourth guy from the North... Earth.

The thought that calling Michael was enough struck me this morning when I tried it again.

(Read a little from the GD the day before. Michael being the protector against evil etc.)

I had already started to theorize about Teslacoils and their effect on pointy metal objects, but this does indeed seem a lot simpler.
Very well, being able to summon the Archangel Michael as a brother in arms against evil certainly brings confidence to me. I can already hear 'dem pesky negs shiver in fear. []

[SpectralDragon]

I just tried something else.

place the palm of the left hand on the flat of the blade while doing the excercise. It works wonders. (unless left handed then use right hand.) If you know how to control energy then put your energy in the sword.

[boydster]

I realized after posting something about this on another thread that it might make an interesting thread by itself.

A long time ago a friend told me that within the old occult schools there was a practice of passing a stainless steel sword over the surface of ones body to cut astral entities off which may have latched on while mingling with crowds. It was explained to me that stainless steel has the ability to strongly affect structures in the real time and astral planes.

I do it quite regularly and I can vouch for the efficacy of this practice. It's a two pronged thing for me--the stainless steel has an effect all of it's own, but I also endow the sword with talisman-like qualities by saying mantras and shooting fire out the end of the sword when I need to affect something at a distance. The positive energy and "intent" which is charged into my sword (just a little 1.5 footer) has become formidible over the years.

If you're feeling drained or you feel emotions or thoughts in you that "just don't seem like you..." try this:

Get a kitchen stainless steel knife (big!!) and pass it over all the surfaces of your body, paying special attention to the soles of your feet around the heels, and the back of your neck. Charge the action with your "intent" to cut the beasties off of you and add the thought that "I am the owner here...you have to go!!". Make the passes to be a cutting action, but be careful not to cut yourself! I keep the passes about one inch from my body surface.

I can almost guarantee you that you'll get hair-raising sensations and maybe some cramping or fear sensations in your solar plexus. It's the beasties trying to get you to stop. I just keep on making calm but vigorous passes with the sword and saying mantras until the sensations cease. Since I don't want them to jump on my kids or wife, I ask Archangel Michael to seize them and take them away to prison or some place where they can't bother people.

I was very suprised to not see this trick in Robert Bruces book. But I guess he just hadn't ever heard of it. I on the other hand had never encountered his water tricks and I'm delighted to experiement with that. It's a little easier to explain away walking your children through water (to an unbelieving in-law) than it is to explain waving a sword around a little kid. If you know what I mean.

Try this. I'me very interested to hear about others experiences. I don't need confirmation--I have that myself. But I'd be happy if it helped some people. After you do it for a while and you have your sword charged up you can clear people remotely and all kinds of cool stuff.