How do I know whether I have projected?

[Jeff_Mash]

In most instances, the paralysis you need prior to projecting is the paralysis where you can't move your body, even if you wanted to.

Just being numb and not feeling your body is a side effect from being in a deep trance....but that in and of itself may not be enough to have an OBE.

[wojjy]

lol
At least one good point of Mind split theory is that it makes it possible to ask such funny questions like "How do I know whether I have projected?".

I'am getting kind frightened know. How do I know I have just not slaughtered my neighbors in-between two letters here?? A think to ponder []

[math]

No stranger than being able to travel to other dimensions []

Can you tell me if the full paralysis comes on

(1) a long time before the vibrations?
(2) just before the vibrations?
(3) After the vibrations?

I seem to have little difficulty getting into a trance but find I have not been able to project - although I have experienced thumping heart and yesterday strange smells (garlic or onions I think).

When I first started the rope technique I found my arms tensing - I've managed to keep them relaxed now but every now and then I, especially when I imagine myself leaving I get a kind of quick wave of tension in my torso.

I think I get nearest when I let my mind go and drift to the borders of sleep. Its after doing this that I sometimes get the brief projections into the RTZ from a dream.

Math

[Jeff_Mash]

I can only speak for myself here, so take it for what it's worth.

First of all, feeling the vibrations are NOT a prerequisite for having an OBE.  That's right, you can have a successful OBE and NEVER even feel the vibrations, so let's just get that right out there in the open.

Now, I have only experienced full waking sleep paralysis on a couple of occassions (even though I've had over a hundred OBE's).  This is because usually, when I exit my body, I am not thinking about the energetic changes that are happening when you pass through the physical realm into a higher realm.

I believe those who're too focused on the physical will feel these vibrations, because they are still focusing on their body, and using their body as a benchmark for their OBE progress....when you really should be using your mind as a benchmark for your OBE progress.

In other words, your MIND and AWARENESS has different levels of focus, and you should base all your progress on THAT instead of your physical body.

With that said, you asked the following:

quote:
Can you tell me if the full paralysis comes on

(1) a long time before the vibrations?
(2) just before the vibrations?
(3) After the vibrations?

From my experience, if you're experiencing the pre-OBE vibes, than you already ARE in the full paralysis state.  Trying to move during the pre-OBE vibes would result in you either moving your astral body, or not moving at all.

I say "pre-OBE vibes" because some of you think that the pulsating feeling you notice while relaxing is a mild form of the vibes...and then you go around saying how EASY it is for you to get the vibrations.  This is NOT the pre-OBE vibes.  What you're feeling in that case is one of two things: your heart pumping blood through your body or energetic centers pulsating with energy.

I'm rambling now, so I will stop.  Hope that helps.

[math]

Thanks Jeff that really helps []

quote:I say "pre-OBE vibes" because some of you think that the pulsating feeling you notice while relaxing is a mild form of the vibes

I had wondered if that feeling was the vibes - I did doubt it as they seemed too mild and relatively easy to induce.

quote:I believe those who're too focused on the physical will feel these vibrations, because they are still focusing on their body, and using their body as a benchmark for their OBE progress....when you really should be using your mind as a benchmark for your OBE progress.

This confirms my experience that I get nearest when I let go and forget my physical body - I shall focus more on this, mind taming and not falling asleep and less on whether I feel vibrations/paralysis etc.

Math

[math]

Hi I posed a question in another thread "is mind split theory right???". However I would like to restate it here in its own thread as it seems kinda seperate and I still have questions about it.

quote: Math wrote:
Hope you don't mind if I chip in with something else here which has been confusing me for a little while...

Does the mind split theory mean that you could be attempt a conscious OBE and succeed but have you waking consiousness stuck in your physical body. Implying your ethereal body is wondering around doing stuff you don't know about while you are busy still trying to project. Then when your ethereal body returns it may or may not download its memory. If it fails then you never remember the projection. But if it does what happens to your original memory?"

quote:Huwie replied
Yes, Bruce says that that exact situation can occur when attempting to project. He says that you can successfully project your astral body but fail to move your consciousness into it. This will leave you paralysed inside your physical body until such a time that your astral body chooses to return to it. At that point, depending on the success or failure of 'downloading' shadow memories, you may or may not receive all the memories of what you were up to during the projection

Thanks for your reply Huwie. Now I wonder can anyone tell me if being left paralysed is (i) the proper full body paralysis where it takes superhuman effort to move or (ii) the my body is numb and I seem to have lost touch with it paraylsis.

I've managed to project a few times for brief moments from lucid dreams and now I am trying for fully conscious exit. I would hate to think I'm   lying there trying to project when I already have but don't know it!

Thanks

Math