A key in getting rid of negative entities

[kiauma]

You mean like by trying to allay some of the fear in the world?

Really DK, there is no need to insult - or, do you need to?

[Dark Knight]

quote:Really DK, there is no need to insult - or, do you need to?

Thank you for opening the door and giving me exactly what I need.

[kiauma]

Which is...  another imaginary excuse to not engage in positive discussion?

Just a guess, you could straighten me out if you want...

[Nay]

quote:Amazing how much emotion is sparked when it is suggested that people ARE responsible for themselves, how they look at the world, and what happens to them.

Yes, Kiauma....I have found like James, that for some, a positive attitude apparently  is a waste of time. You said it very well, we are responsible for ourselves and what happens to us.

I, even after having read many posts about this neg subject, still do not understand why the negative is so appealing and people seem to hold on to it like a long lost friend.  I just know someone will come back with a..."WE DON'T WANT THIS!"  Yet, when given much advise on how to end the alleged attacks..another problem rears its ugly head, thus keeping them in the lime light of being the victim for another day.

quote:The astral planes can turn the metaphorical into the literal. If your thoughts are negative or fearful, you will find yourself in regions of fear and negativity. Turn your thoughts to the positive, and you will rise out of these areas into brighter regions.

This is true, James...I agree with you there, not just because you said it but because of my own experience's in the astral.

Nay.

[kiauma]

Yes James and Nay, I think we understand each other pretty well.  

[wantsumrice]

Damn, some of y'all are starting to sound like the DBZ fan club now.  Accusations are defintely not needed...just keep in mind "when you point a finger, there are always three pointing right back at you."  

But, Nay does have a point, why focus on "negs"?

~ivan

[Nay]

Dang, I really need to post faster..or not have such a hectic life..HEhehehe..almost like instant chat here.

Ahhhhhh..it seems, kiauma you have opened pandoras box.  I did that as well, and got pretty much the same responses and in almost the same order. []

quote:Thank you for opening the door and giving me exactly what I need.

I got a threat as well..but more colorful than yours, perhaps she likes me better?..LOL

Nay.

[kiauma]

I admit it smacks of shark packing for me to put it into the terms of a unified front, which can be vampyric, but the fact is here that we simply agree.  We agree whether it is said we agree, or not.  My purpose is not to subdue DK, but simply to maybe open her a little to the possibility that she holds the key to her own freedom.

And I'm not even sure if that's what you are referring to.  What are you referring to Wantsum?  Care to put names on those accusations?

I think we'd all feel better if we got it out in the open.

[wantsumrice]

MY fault, i was simply referring to DK's

"Why don't you try assuming yours instead acting like such a lazy a**."

Personally, i don't see anyone not assuming their actions.
~ivan

[kiauma]

Ah, yes.  Well, we are all on our own learning curve here.

Ultimately it's all about intent, though, so I'm confident we'll all eventually get to the same place.  

Thanks for replying WSR.

[Mick]

quote:Originally posted by kiauma


"You say that negs are hooking attention, sometimes this is true. Some like to work covertly and get some things out of you without you noticing. Mostly these negs are not taking enough for you to notice, which doesn't cause problems until it goes too long. By saying it is bad to argue you are implying that such actions should be ignored."

First of all, for a person who knows himself the effects of any type of 'attack' like this will be immediately evident.  Second of all, Astral creatures are simply powerless unless in some way they have been invited.  The victim simply must, in some way, share in the complicity to some degree of such an occurance.

Many come to this place because slowly or otherwise they have become aware of a percieved problem, that is, they are looking to further understand our environment in this respect and work with it. People change as per their experiences therefore the expression 'know himself' in the real world is transient and therefore I believe lacks meaning in the above context.
'Astral creatures require permission', how can that be substantiated perhaps you would like to try?
In my experience astral creatures are not the only source of negative or any other activity for that matter so the above is not a complete picture or solution.
Weaknesses in people created either consciously or unconsciously are obviously points for possible exploitation but equally I have seen people attacked consistantly over a period of time in order to gain a foothold, this implies that there was no self induced open doorway in these cases. They were simply the victims of perhaps a hate crime or maybe have something the perps want.

Anyway if someone does not know that they have opened a door so be it, the real problem is that there are those perps that would appear to exploit ignorance etc and that is the real problem surely!
Blaming the victim of crime is popular in some circles but it is the perps who consciously complete the deed.

quote:
I'm sure DK will strongly object to this, amoung others.  One of my strongest beliefs, however, is of self-responsibility, and our power/helplessness in the face of it.

I think many have demonstrated their self responsibility by coming to places like this to seek further information and solutions that they can take away and try.

quote:
What about fear?  Fear closes us.  Fear shrinks us.  Sounds like the opposite of 'positive' to me.  

Fear, this is another word used in a global manner to dictate a personal belief. Humans have evolved a fight or flight mechanism which has served us well through the millenia. For some reason if the context is spiritual/psychic or whatever suddenly it is taboo.
I agree that if unmanaged it will drive a person to deep distraction and potential harm whatever the cause. But coupled with knowledge, training, resolve and the will to succeed it becomes one more tool in the armoury. If fact, I think it can add to the energetic environment, just think adrenaline rush [^]

[Mick]

quote:Originally posted by Dark Knight


We need help, and we've got people who are over the moon about themselves because they defeat a thought form or a putz, wimpy neg out for food.

[]
Yes, this stuff comes in many forms both so called negative and positive and unfortunately it is down to how our perception/cultural background/spiritual leanings have developed as to what we see. One persons heavy neg is another persons though form or maybe servitor or...

Regarding the negative emotions, I do think that care is needed to ensure that our internal responses to a situation are not allowed to reinforce a situation with which we are not happy. Agree that identifying the boundaries are important to assist isolation and delineation.

[kiauma]

Hiya Mick.  

"Many come to this place because slowly or otherwise they have become aware of a percieved problem, that is, they are looking to further understand our environment in this respect and work with it."

You mean this topic?  Quite right, as well they should - provided they have the experience or intuition to discriminate right action from the various advice given.

"People change as per their experiences therefore the expression 'know himself' in the real world is transient and therefore I believe lacks meaning in the above context."

I disagree.  It is a matter of consciousness.  Spiritual growth is a matter of consciousness raising, which implies expanded awareness.  In precisely that context if practiced with intent the process is self correcting.

"Weaknesses in people created either consciously or unconsciously are obviously points for possible exploitation but equally I have seen people attacked consistantly over a period of time in order to gain a foothold, this implies that there was no self induced open doorway in these cases. They were simply the victims of perhaps a hate crime or maybe have something the perps want."

There are many ways of looking at this.  Personally, since I know it is my choice how I look at it, I choose the most empowering perspective, which is the perspective of self awareness and self-responsibility.

Of what 'weaknesses' are you referring to that the 'negs' exploit?  Might it be the victims own sense of weakness, of guilt from some past occurance, or his own sense of identification with victimhood...  I am not saying he is agreeing with the attack, but at some point and on some level, due to the victims own self evaluation and his own label, he is not seeing his complicity in it.  I gave advice earlier that it is our choice to resolve a situation or leave, and that still stands.

Yes, that the victim is ignorant of how he can turn the events influences his feelings of powerlessness and reinforces his self label of 'victim' - but what he is really powerless against is his own mind, his own subconscious (subconscious meaning 'not conscious') inability to remove himself from the situation.

It is all about intent.

In any case, stopping an 'attack' is a matter of resolution, a resolution of pursuing peace and of self love, which in turn influences the 'victim's perspective away from negative terms, conditions, and situations.   Anything less, and the 'attack' may abate, but will continue again elsewhere (law of karma), until he resolve his issues or grows to the awareness of his own complicity.  

"Blaming the victim of crime is popular in some circles but it is the perps who consciously complete the deed."

Surely, bad things can happen to good people - but one can not know the larger karmik picture.  Is it just about the victims and the perps, or are there other things at work and people effected that you cannot know?  

Think about what you are saying.  To divorce the victim from complicity in his own situation is a grave error which logically implies that the universe is chaos, that there is no underlying meaning to anything.  How can anyone who has experienced the astral doubt that a higher power exists, and that every act and thing in the universe carries tremendous meaning and purpose?

We are spiritual beings.  'Spirit' explicitly equates to essential meaning.  This meaning is manifested in our self-responsibility, in the power we have over our everpresent moment, and in our future, in how we react to events, good and bad, and how we conduct ourselves throughout.  That is our complicity in everything that happens to us.

Again, it is all about intent.

"I think many have demonstrated their self responsibility by coming to places like this to seek further information and solutions that they can take away and try."

No, they have demonstrated the ability to make a choice, not whether or not they take responsibility for the choices they make.

"Fear, this is another word used in a global manner to dictate a personal belief. Humans have evolved a fight or flight mechanism which has served us well through the millenia. For some reason if the context is spiritual/psychic or whatever suddenly it is taboo."

Are you saying fear is a personal belief, or an evolved response independant of personal belief?  You appear to be saying both.

Fear is an emotion, a physical response, yes, one which has no doubt protected us in the physical evolutionary process, but it is a reflex which can also easily overcome the rational mind, inhibiting our spiritual evolution.  This needs to be thoroughly understood in order to begin to transcend physical limitations.  It can be used, yes, but only when treated with great care and understanding.  Ultimately it is dangerous and self defeating.  Fear and excitement are two different things, IMO.

"Yes, this stuff comes in many forms both so called negative and positive and unfortunately it is down to how our perception/cultural background/spiritual leanings have developed as to what we see. One persons heavy neg is another persons though form or maybe servitor or..."

So what you are saying is that we manifest what we believe we will see?  That when our perception is through the value of peace, we will find peace, and conversely when our perspective is centered on fear, we find much to fear?

Well then we have been in agreement all along.

[Dark Knight]

It won't change the people who need to, but it might help someone who needs to hear it and see it.

Thank you Mick for bringing me back to my roots...Hate Crime.

I studied race relations for years and in the begining of my learning, it had suddenly occured to me that the whole "race issue" was just a giant miscommunication problem. If people really understood what was happening in terms of cause and effect, they'd want to change the situation...Which propelled me to write my first letter to the editor (anonymously) to the newspaper of my college campus. I was shocked at the reaction...you would think I had committed capital murder. I learned from that experience that there was such a thing as emotional logic, and it was something I had underestimated in terms of power or strength. People would prioritize personalized prissy emotional offence over the value of another human being in desperate need of being validated.

Many African Americans get passed up by taxis, hear car doors lock, and watch as women clutch their purses as they walk by, but racism doesn't exist, not today, doesn't affect anyone.

What skin color is a Band-Aid again, and why is that the chosen color?

Course the funny thing is, you ask white people about it and the response is "we love everbody." The direct consequences of a passing taxi, locking doors, being invalidated and disrespected as a human being doesn't affect whites personally, and if your senses don't experience something, it's equated with "it doesn't exist."

The invalidation and lack of respect are not "theory," or "opinion," or a "history story." There is a cause and effect with consequences. Point this out to a white person, and instantly they go on the defensive, "You're calling me names I don't deserve, you're such a negative person, how dare you speak to me in such a way."

The strongest lesson that could ever be imparted to another human being, "My hurt feelings, my ego, are more important than your need to be treated as a respected Creation of God."

You act as if life were a giant "opinion" or "theory" that you can just discuss, utterly lacking in consequences to acknowledge. There is such a thing as reality that we all live in and have to make compromises with. Your actions, your words have the power to create and ruin and you take no responsiblity for it whatsoever. You claim credit for things you have no right to claim. And you worry more about getting your ego bruised than another person's suffering and need for compassion. They're little more than an inconvenience that prevents you from walking on, something you have to kick away. You can't function without that safety,...maybe that is a fear in need of confrontation.

I don't have a problem with being positive...I have a problem with a so-called "positive outlook" that is so devoid heart that it is as fake as you can get. Empty light.

See ya.

[SpectralDragon]

quote:Originally posted by kiauma

"I am well aware of thought forms that form from our own fears. I am not talking about those. I am talking about NEGS. I am not talking aboyut our own fears. I have encountered things in my astral travel that cannot be explained through my own thoughts and fears."

Let me ask you this.  What you encountered, did you fear it?

"That's why I liked what child of the forest was TRYING to say."

Then how do you explain your first sentence in this topic;

"I have to disagree with this. I will list an example to show you why I disagree with this."

If you liked what she was trying to say, why did you so adamently disagree with it?

"You say that negs are hooking attention, sometimes this is true. Some like to work covertly and get some things out of you without you noticing. Mostly these negs are not taking enough for you to notice, which doesn't cause problems until it goes too long. By saying it is bad to argue you are implying that such actions should be ignored."

First of all, for a person who knows himself the effects of any type of 'attack' like this will be immediately evident.  Second of all, Astral creatures are simply powerless unless in some way they have been invited.  The victim simply must, in some way, share in the complicity to some degree of such an occurance.

I'm sure DK will strongly object to this, amoung others.  One of my strongest beliefs, however, is of self-responsibility, and our power/helplessness in the face of it.

Lastly, your conclusion that because I say it is bad to argue then I am implying such actions should be ignored is false.  This time, however, I think I can see how you got there from here.  Let me specify what I mean by 'argue'.  I mean mutual confrontational belligerence.  Perhaps when I say 'argue' you are thinking of what I term 'discussion'?

"I think instead of entities, it draws forward negative emotions in people, and we already saw that this is already true, haven't we? negative emotions and negative entities are not the same, as some people believe they are."

I think it is a grave and paranoid error to see ourselves as helpless victims in the face of an evil external force over which we have no control and against which we must be constantly vigilant.

All I am saying is because of the principle that our beliefs manifest on the other side, perhaps the best defense is actually being less defensive.

Amazing how much emotion is sparked when it is suggested that people ARE responsible for themselves, how they look at the world, and what happens to them.

From Dark Knight:
"There are no negative emotions!"

What about fear?  Fear closes us.  Fear shrinks us.  Sounds like the opposite of 'positive' to me.  

"I'm not doing the kiauma argument. That is kept a level of boundaries that is too vague, too general and too circular...won on technicalities and not much on substance."

So where is your substance DK?  "won on technicalities and not much on substance" is completely devoid of any  valid counterpoint, without some demonstrable logic or reasoning explaining why you think my points and examples have no substance.

I am beggining to agree with DK that you have no substance with your argument. Read the whole of the thread before commenting on my decision. She clearly states later that we have misconceptialized what she has said. Then I agreed with her.

Negative entities are real. I have been astral projecting for quite a while. I was not afraid of these negs until some of them attacked me. They looked rather pitiful, actually. Now none of them bother me because of my actions in that realm.

[kiauma]

What can I say that I have not already said?  You have your beliefs, and I have mine.

I go in peace.

*Bows*

[Nay]

quote:I don't have a problem with being positive...I have a problem with a so-called "positive outlook" that is so devoid heart that it is as fake as you can get. Empty light.

Not sure who you are referring to here...and how did this conversation turn into the race card?  Perhaps I missed the point.[B)]

quote:I am beggining to agree with DK that you have no substance with your argument. Read the whole of the thread before commenting on my decision. She clearly states later that we have misconceptialized what she has said. Then I agreed with her.

Negative entities are real. I have been astral projecting for quite a while. I was not afraid of these negs until some of them attacked me. They looked rather pitiful, actually. Now none of them bother me because of my actions in that realm.

Straddling the fence will get you nothing but slivers in your butt..hehe..well, if it is a wooden fence.[] hopefully your fence is metel, eh?

I believe negative entities are real too..but to what extreme?  To the extreme of leaving marks on the physical body, and having your every waking moments consumed in thinking about them?  Or better yet, mind control...can they control us while not in the astral?

I am not good at this war of the words....I am a simple woman, but have my thoughts on the neg situation, so I can only try and articulate what is in my head....but now I must serve dinner to the family. [] Maybe while away, I can think of a better way to express what I mean.

Nay.

[Mick]

quote:Originally posted by kiauma

Hiya Mick.  

Thanks for your reply, a few points of clarification on my part and answers to your questions.

"Many come to this place because slowly or otherwise they have become aware of a percieved problem, that is, they are looking to further understand our environment in this respect and work with it."

You mean this topic?  Quite right, as well they should - provided they have the experience or intuition to discriminate right action from the various advice given.

This struck me as harsh and somewhat elitist [?] For those that do not have the experience or intuition are they not worthy of support and advice to assist them to improve sorting of provided knowledge?

quote:
"People change as per their experiences therefore the expression 'know himself' in the real world is transient and therefore I believe lacks meaning in the above context."

I disagree.  It is a matter of consciousness.  Spiritual growth is a matter of consciousness raising, which implies expanded awareness.  In precisely that context if practiced with intent the process is self correcting.

Exactly, growth equals change therefore 'knowing himself' is a changing picture.

quote:
"Weaknesses in people created either consciously or unconsciously are obviously points for possible exploitation but equally I have seen people attacked consistantly over a period of time in order to gain a foothold, this implies that there was no self induced open doorway in these cases. They were simply the victims of perhaps a hate crime or maybe have something the perps want."

There are many ways of looking at this.  Personally, since I know it is my choice how I look at it, I choose the most empowering perspective, which is the perspective of self awareness and self-responsibility.

Quite, it is your choice to apply the filter that you prefer to suit your choice of defence and empowerment, others perhaps choose other methods of operation. For myself I like the big view (I like to kid myself [^]) rather than close up working.

quote:
Of what 'weaknesses' are you referring to that the 'negs' exploit?  Might it be the victims own sense of weakness, of guilt from some past occurance, or his own sense of identification with victimhood...  I am not saying he is agreeing with the attack, but at some point and on some level, due to the victims own self evaluation and his own label, he is not seeing his complicity in it.  I gave advice earlier that it is our choice to resolve a situation or leave, and that still stands.

Yes, that the victim is ignorant of how he can turn the events influences his feelings of powerlessness and reinforces his self label of 'victim' - but what he is really powerless against is his own mind, his own subconscious (subconscious meaning 'not conscious') inability to remove himself from the situation.

It is all about intent.

Small point, I particularly meant not conscious as opposed subconscious.
I was agreeing that the victim can and is part of the problem in some cases which could be said to include simply existing and having human thoughts. Due to the complexity of humans one can probably always find some guilt trip deserved or not. As I said in my opinion the real problem is environmental in that various negative (and positive) activities operate effectively behind the scenes for most people and as a consequence this stuff can sneek up on people and yes exploit weaknesses self imposed or otherwise. In that respect, one can choose to blame this unawareness on the individual but probably better directed at humanity as a whole.
I believe that I have also observed attacks of a more frontal nature not dependant on personal weaknesses, often more due to strengths of a person making them a target.

quote:
In any case, stopping an 'attack' is a matter of resolution, a resolution of pursuing peace and of self love, which in turn influences the 'victim's perspective away from negative terms, conditions, and situations.   Anything less, and the 'attack' may abate, but will continue again elsewhere (law of karma), until he resolve his issues or grows to the awareness of his own complicity.  

For me Karma is a belief with which I do not have much feeling so will pass on this comment. Pursuing peace is great but history tells us that appeasement rarely works and one person blocking a problem potentially just transfers it to someone else to whom I quess the same argument of personal responsibility can be made again but again my outlook is that the underlying environment problem is the real issue. Some do wish to say that all this is some sort of learning opportunity, maybe, maybe not but a useful pacifier for some gurus

quote:
"Blaming the victim of crime is popular in some circles but it is the perps who consciously complete the deed."

Surely, bad things can happen to good people - but one can not know the larger karmik picture.  Is it just about the victims and the perps, or are there other things at work and people effected that you cannot know?  

Think about what you are saying.  To divorce the victim from complicity in his own situation is a grave error which logically implies that the universe is chaos, that there is no underlying meaning to anything.  How can anyone who has experienced the astral doubt that a higher power exists, and that every act and thing in the universe carries tremendous meaning and purpose?

We are spiritual beings.  'Spirit' explicitly equates to essential meaning.  This meaning is manifested in our self-responsibility, in the power we have over our everpresent moment, and in our future, in how we react to events, good and bad, and how we conduct ourselves throughout.  That is our complicity in everything that happens to us.

Again, it is all about intent.

As I said, not comfortable with the Karmic believe so not sensible to discuss something that is predicated on such a belief. The astral for me does not in itself confirm a bigger picture more an extremely malleable environment which amongst other things is responsive to personal concepts and beliefs.
'Divorce the victim from complicity in his own situation is a grave error' no greater than assuming that all victims are complicit therefore responsible for their situation. People are happy to say that we are all connected when the message is peace and love and shrink back from this when the message is fear and loathing whereupon it is the fault of the victim. I suspect that the boundaries are flexible in both examples.

We are spiritual beings? What this means has probably filled more disks drives than we can count
I do ponder that we are simply organic beings with the benefit [?] of non locational minds and a shared consciousness. Add your favourite model here []

quote:
"I think many have demonstrated their self responsibility by coming to places like this to seek further information and solutions that they can take away and try."

No, they have demonstrated the ability to make a choice, not whether or not they take responsibility for the choices they make.

This is probably drifting into a semantic discussion[] For me if someone starts to seek knowledge in order to address their percieved problems then they are taking responsibility. It may not end perfectly but they rejected the option to do nothing.
Humanity is a mixed bag and some achieve better in some fields than others. We can make choices whether to try and assist those that are not doing so well in some fields (and want to improve their situation) or tell them that they are losers and walk away.

quote:
"Fear, this is another word used in a global manner to dictate a personal belief. Humans have evolved a fight or flight mechanism which has served us well through the millenia. For some reason if the context is spiritual/psychic or whatever suddenly it is taboo."

Are you saying fear is a personal belief, or an evolved response independant of personal belief?  You appear to be saying both.

Fear is an emotion, a physical response, yes, one which has no doubt protected us in the physical evolutionary process, but it is a reflex which can also easily overcome the rational mind, inhibiting our spiritual evolution.  This needs to be thoroughly understood in order to begin to transcend physical limitations.  It can be used, yes, but only when treated with great care and understanding.  Ultimately it is dangerous and self defeating.  Fear and excitement are two different things, IMO.

I described fear in the context of fight or flight therefore an evolved response rather than simply an idealogy. Your answer looks to echo my comment so will leave it at that. I think I agree that if unmanaged it will drive a person to deep distraction and potential harm whatever the cause also echos your statements.

quote:
"Yes, this stuff comes in many forms both so called negative and positive and unfortunately it is down to how our perception/cultural background/spiritual leanings have developed as to what we see. One persons heavy neg is another persons though form or maybe servitor or..."

So what you are saying is that we manifest what we believe we will see?  That when our perception is through the value of peace, we will find peace, and conversely when our perspective is centered on fear, we find much to fear?

Well then we have been in agreement all along.

WRT that comment I am suggesting that we interpret/translate non physical events into our own terms of reference, those terms being predicated by personal and cultural beliefs.
To your point re. manifestation quite likely true, if we set the mode to peace we perhaps see peace et al. However is it manifestation or filter or combination of both dependant on a myriad factors.

One other point I would add is that I think care is needed not to place ourselves at the centre of the universe for everything that happens, yes within our space we exert much (including weaknesses ) but not withstanding we also sit within a morass of activity that may impinge with varying degrees again dependant on a myriad factors.

Just my humble two pennies worth.

[kiauma]

Mick,

Your main argument throughout appears to be that to choose a perspective is to choose a filter, which simply eliminates what is not chosen to be seen.

You are right and you are wrong.  First of all, only God can see the big picture.  Only God knows all karmik connections and vectors.  Only God can transcend perspective.  Only God is immanent. Are you saying you are God?  Are you telling us all you have penetrated that high and unknown purpose, which men have pursued since his first dim awareness of his own mortality?

In your dreams, maybe.

Second of all, what I take you to mean by 'filter', you are saying that choosing a perspective blocks all other perception, except that which belongs to the perspective.

What you are referring to is ignorance - ignorance of the principle of manifestation of intent.  If my intent is to ignore certain perception, then I am obligingly put into a lower level of awareness to accomodate my intent, all the way down to the dreamstate if necessary, where my fantasy can be played out.  Something either exists on the astral, or it doesn't, it certainly cannot be ignored.  However, my consciousness can raise or lower, or I can leave the astral altogether to a dream or vision state - though I can believe that my perception is the astral reality.  If I do not know the difference, then I do not know the difference.

Once one properly understands the principle of manifestation of intent, then one truly has the key.  This, BTW, is the true utility and power of meditation, compassion, and intellectual development.  By understanding that my experience of the astral comes from my experience of consciousness, not because I change the astral but because I am in control of myself, of my intention thus my manifestation thus my experience, then one has the key.

It is not a matter of fantasy.  It is not a matter of filtering.  It is a matter of discipline and development, putting you in the appropriate astral level, and appropriately directing your astral activities.

Thank you for your detailed reply.

[kiauma]

As an example, Spectral Dragon, through whatever technique, has let go of his fear of 'negs', and now reports that he no longer experiences attacks.  Is this because he is filtering them?  Surely, others will still report attacks on the astral, but he will no longer have them, and it is not because of a filter.

[shedt]

quote:Originally posted by kiauma


You are right and you are wrong.  First of all, only God can see the big picture.  Only God knows all karmik connections and vectors.  Only God can transcend perspective.  Only God is immanent. Are you saying you are God?  Are you telling us all you have penetrated that high and unknown purpose, which men have pursued since his first dim awareness of his own mortality?

what is "GOD" ? And how do you personally know this things too be truth ?

you say "Only God is immanent."
but how do you know this is for sure ? that this staement is absolute ?

just curious.

[SpectralDragon]

Actually, it is because of a filter. They do not prey on the experienced, lockmar. I still fight them now, but only for another's sake.

[kiauma]

Spectral Dragon;
Who are you talking to?  And what is 'because of a filter'?

People, unless you specify what you are answering and who you are talking to, communication becomes very difficult.

Shedt;
What do you mean how do I know this to be true?  All of those definitions are pretty general, and fairly universal.  God is immanent - local - and also transcendant - universal.  God is the great cause, God is our divinity, God is the good, the bad, and God is the unknowable.

God is the absolute, yes, and I refuse to apply any absolute label to Him.  To do so would be a tad arrogant, yes?

Mystery is my God, and I know that because that has been my experience.

Individual results may vary.

[kiauma]

And another thing Spectral Dragon,

You actually overcame these attacks by overcoming your fear, so now you actually seek these 'negs' out - and you are also saying that your experience of them has nothing to do with your intentions or perspective...

Think about what you are saying...

[xander]

The Book of the Law states that fear and suffering are illusions. When one is able to see past these illusions they are not affected by them in the same way that others are.

Many a nightmare has been slain by the child having a good long laugh[]

Xander