How close??

[rodentmouse]

hi astral,
how do you get yourself from a light trance into a deeper trance???
this is what im stuck on atm.

[Astrud]

I wish I had  experience with energy work like you do, that is what I'm most lacking in. I get the most experiences when I nap in the afternoon on an empty somach. I never try to have these experiences, I just try and sleep. then I am partiallly awakened by the vibrations and then I leave my body, but I am not able to move very effectively and my vision is poor in these experiences. I think this is because I don't have enough energy, I feel heavy during projections. I also have times where I not sure if is a dream or not. I sometimes think that I am dreaming and projecting at the same time.

Laura

[jilola]

Kundalini: I get this feeling of my hands turning the wrong way. I know they are palm down but they feel like they've turned the other way. When I focus on the feeling it tends to go away but if I just coolly note it it either stays or grows a bit stronger. I've never experienced the famous vibrations but I suspect they are a similar phenomenon. Try the rope thing next time.

Sounds like you experienced a brief OBE. Robert's book describes the horrid boke as a "dweller on the threshold".  From the accounts I've read this seems to be a manifestation of your physical mind's reluctance to allow the OBE to happen. Just tell it to leave and bother you no more. (aside: probably my own reaction will be to run like bugger, I'll be sure to post the experience when it happens

Jouni

[justinh]

Hi,

jilola:
I get the exact same hand sensation - it feels like the hands are on backwards.  

I have never felt the "change of scale" sensation.  I often get to a point during meditation on the couch where it feels like my point of awareness has sunk into my chest down to my arms, which might *be* the "change of scale" now that I think about it...  hmmm.....

Also, I get numb body parts, but never an absolute numbness like AK has described.

Thanks,
Justin

[jilola]

Last night I got the first full trance feelings in a long time. I had gotten to the point where my body felt like it wasn't there but still was if I thought about it a bit. Also my left arm felt like it was sticking straight out and my right as if it was slightly raised. Both were physically resting on the bedalong my body.
Occasional tingly numbess. I started to experiment with recreating a falling sensation and got results with imagining myself going down a spiral waterslide (never been in a waterslide so ??!!).
Suddenly I felt my head and torse lurch, if you will, downwards and felt a sudden increase of numbness starting from my arms and legs and proceeding inwards. SOmething like an adrenaline rush you get when you're startled.  It also felt a bit like just before fainting, the same kind of loss of strength and vertigo.
It becase quite difficult to control my surface mind at this point because of the Woohee feeling at making progress.

I wasn't succesfull in any way with the rope technique but this was probably due to the elated feeling and slight excitement.

Interesting dreams followed and were duly recorded in a brand new dream book.


Jouni

[AstralKundalini]

I too have had that sensation of a body part being upsidedown or backwards...It happens alot with my hands and sometimes my entire body awareness which seems backwards at times...Its an interesting experience...to say the least heh

[weagle]

like robert says stick to what method of exiting works, I find the rope/waterski/ technique to be hard to assertain the thought and too much pressure being applied to the chest like I get mentally exausted, but the rope is a darn good technique when you really do astral project but can't move and stuck to your body i simply did the rope technique and broke free easily just pretended i was climbing a rope  and broke free.  The techinique that i use at first that is most favourable to me is the rotation technique (maybe because it's like the carnival rides I liked and I hated climbing ropes in gym class maybe that plays a mental factor) that has helped me project one time i was successful after 4 weeks of doing robert's techniques/new ways.

[AstralKundalini]

I've been doing meditation, energy work and attempts at OBE's for about 2 years now...I've grown significantly meditationally and energetically, being able to control more and more aspects of my energy body...Its been a long and interesting path...Over the course of my practice, i have had a number of different, interesting and strange experiences...Given that there are people on these boards who have and do successully project, i was hoping to tell the things that i have done, and ascertain a clear understanding of where i'm and what i must focus on more to project...

I can relax myself relativly well...

From there i can get myself into a very light trance state usually...

In this state i can begin manipulating energy...using Tactile imaging techniques and others, such as making a sensation in one part of the body
manifest in another simultaenously...

I've often felt the Kundalinish energy rushes, which at times, although not recently, have been so strong i'm in near rapture, with my eyes REM'ing but never being able to sucessfully project...

In light trances i often times experience the feeling of things getting MUCH larger than they are, or myself becoming more remote and smaller than i'm...A feeling of a change of scale in a sense...In addition i've felt the a little 'expansion', although not anything substantial...


Once i've become energized enough, i can fade into a bit of a deeper trance, which is where things get interesting...

So far in a medium trance i've been able to make myself - parts of my body and even my whole physical self seemingly disappear to my concious...I.e i cannot feel any parts of my body, it is as if they disapeared completely (i haven't ever opened my eyes while doing this)...Sometimes i can only get an arm or my leg to fade away, but i've been sucessfull making my entire body demanifest, so that all that i'm aware of are my thoughts, and the apparent absence of all else...When i get into this state i don't usually try to project as i'm usually focusing on the strange and amazing sensation of being nothing but my thoughts.

I've sometimes felt vibrations while doing energy work, they are strange in sensation but i can never really get them to become anything greater...I seems like once i focus on them, they lessen and then disapear...

Ok, i've gone on for a while now, just 2 more things to mention...

A few weeks ago i was getting ready to go to sleep and i told myself i'd have an OBE that night...At some point i was dreaming, a very lucid dream (i still remember it) and i decidedd to lay down in my dream because i wanted to project...so i laid down and all the sudden i was facecd with this incredibly horrid looking abomination of a person, bathed in green light and being really strange...i got really scared and suddenly i found myself in my television room, thinking, i need to get to my parents room, i'll be safe there, but i couldnt move! i was thinking, what the heck...and then all the sudden i found myself back in my bed...I've been debating with myself for a while whether this was a dream or an OBE...Everything about the room coincided with the time it took place, around 2 am...the room was dark, house was quiet etc...If it had been a dream, and i had been wanting to escape i can't imagine why everything would be so in-check with the time it was happening...i.E everything exactly as they would be at 2am in my house...

Anyways...What should i do more of, what should i focus on, what does the disapearing body thing mean, and was that an OBE or a Dream? thanks~

Kundalini