Am i getting anywhere

[The AlphaOmega]

It's a good sign of progress, but doesn't necissarily mean that you are close to having an OBE.  Half an hour usually isn't enough time to get to the stage you need to be in.  Normally at that time your body is simply very relaxed preparing for sleep, which is probably the numbness you are feeling.  I've found that sitting and lieing down both have advantages.  Sitting allows you to stay more focused on staying awake, but things (like the neck cramp) can get in the way.  Lieing down allows you to reach that much deeper level of relaxation, but you have a tendency to fall asleep.  I would try lieing down if I were you the next couple of times, and focus only on staying awake.  First just get completely relaxed by streching every muscle before trying.  Then for the first half hour or so repeat something like "deeper" in your mind each time you breath out.  This will help relax you more, but also keep you focused.  Once your mind starts to drift off in day dream like fashion you know that your body is falling asleep.  It's at this point that you should simply concentrate on staying awake with one thought to focus on.  The key is practice.  The more you do it the more familiar you will become with your own stages, as OBE and the techniques involved often differ from person to person.  The more you try the more you will discover your own limits and the best way for you to overcome them.  Keep trying.  It could happen tomorrow, or 10 years from now.  You have plenty of time to succeed!

[acidmax120]

quote:Originally posted by the-dawg

I bought RB's book on Astral Dynamics about a week ago and i've got to the 4th section on exit and projection techniques.  I've been trying to obtain the mind awake/body asleep state, but not quite sure if i'm getting anywhere or not.  Last night i tried it sitting in a chair and imagining myself, leaving my body and walking to out the door and off to work, after about half and hour or so i started getting a numbness kind of feeling over my body, then about a minute or so into the these i got neck cramp so it broke my concentration and gave up.  When i opened my eyes and after i sort of felt strange and fuzzy for a few minutes, then back to normal.

Just now i tried lying down in my bed with only a lamp on, for a little light.  Again after about half an hour or so i started getting the numbness feeling again, then i started getting hundreds of little spots moving in my brow area and then started feeling like my body was bouncing up and down all over.  It started gently at first then started getting a little faster, before completely slowing down to a stop.

Any ideas?

No you are not getting anywhere. Infact you havent even touched the surface. Lol laying there for an hour and get "numbness" wtf? I am in OBE full force after 15-20 min.

[Tolvor]

I haven't fully OBEd yet either so take my advice with a grain of salt.

I don't experience numbness as such so I can't give you advice there.  I do experience *disappearance* of sensation.  First my fingers no longer seem to lying on the arm of the chair but seem to be somehow floating.  Then eventually the hand.  Then I can't feel either unless I concentrate on them.  The longest/last is the elbows for some reason, the lungs/breathing, and the heart/pulse.

The brow sensations I've gotten, and usually as a steady pressure.  I usually take it as a primary chakra powering up, and not any indication of being close to OBE.  It indicates that I'm doing good in the brow area.  I generally don't over-concentrate or over-analyze the chakras, I just let them come.

Bouncing up and down, that I've definately felt, its just light vibrations.  For me it feels like it's something between being in the back of a speedboat, to moderate vibration, which is being in the trunk of a car going 20 mph down a rocky dirt road.  There are heavy vibrations that are a very good indication, that supposedly feel like being on top of a washing machine out of balance, or a cargo plane going low over your house, or a magnitude 6 - 6.5 earthquake.

The advice that I've gotten before, and try to follow, is to not think about it, not worry about it, don't try to analyze it.  All of that is thinking too much, and worse still, focuses your mind on your body.  You need your mind to *forget* the body.  If you haven't already, read all the accounts of people who achieved OBE, and their explanation of how they did it (they are sticky topics at the top).  One of the best, and most useful, has the person experiencing the sensations, and her mental attitude was "Ho hum."  Not boredom, just total unconcerness of the fact, and her focus was maintained.

As to the strange and fuzzy feeling when you break the session, that's just normal after your body has been inactive for a long time.  The goal in meditation is to quiet the brain to a theta state.  When you wake up, you bounce all the way back up to alpha or beta.  No wonder you feel dizzy.  I also get that feeling after a short catnap, getting off airplanes, after very long meetings (if there is no breaks), and sometimes after doing long driving sessions on the interstate.  Dizzy is normal, just your body changing its mental gears.

Hope this helps.

[cube]

acidmax120 please explain to us how you can get guaranteed OBEs in 15 minutes.

[acidmax120]

quote:Originally posted by cube


acidmax120 please explain to us how you can get guaranteed OBEs in 15 minutes.

Special techniques plus special binaural beats, and its not guarantted in 15 minutes, it "may" take up to 30 minutes. They tend to click at around 15-20 minutes to enter.

[cube]

acidmax120,

Please tell us all about the special techniques and special binaural beats you are using.

[The AlphaOmega]

So basically ACID you use a sound source to help you along, and then MAYBE (you said it yourself) it takes 20 minutes... or 30?  WTF indeed.  Most people, especially beginners who have never had an OBE, take much longer to get anywhere in their training.  And to add to that not everyone has special sound sources (which I might add are over-rated and only work on some people), it often takes at least an hour to get somewhere worth while.  Many people, including myself, have tried the tapes and the "pink" sounds and the music, all designed to "guarantee" an OBE.  To say the least, in my case and I'm sure others as well they are nothing special.  I've achieved that MOST success with no tools and simple patience.  You give your way, I give mine.

[cube]

Alpha, let's just let him tell us about the powerful techniques he's using without upsetting him.

If he has no powerful techniques there's no love lost.

[The AlphaOmega]

My sentiments exactly []
I meant no disrespect

[cube]

[]

*twiddles thumbs patiently waiting for acidmax120 to bless us with his profound knowledge*

[acidmax120]

quote:Originally posted by The AlphaOmega

So basically ACID you use a sound source to help you along, and then MAYBE (you said it yourself) it takes 20 minutes... or 30?  WTF indeed.  Most people, especially beginners who have never had an OBE, take much longer to get anywhere in their training.  And to add to that not everyone has special sound sources (which I might add are over-rated and only work on some people), it often takes at least an hour to get somewhere worth while.  Many people, including myself, have tried the tapes and the "pink" sounds and the music, all designed to "guarantee" an OBE.  To say the least, in my case and I'm sure others as well they are nothing special.  I've achieved that MOST success with no tools and simple patience.  You give your way, I give mine.

Well maybe "your" binaural beats do not work on you, but mine work on almost everyone who uses it. If it doesnt give them an OBE the first time, its gives vibes. Iv got all the holosync and hemisync gateway series cds. I studied how they work, then created my own similar sound files, which are very soothing and not some violent headache inducing binaural beat such as those with BWGEN and similar.

Regarding my techniques, Im not willing to spill its juice right now. I ofcourse will not trade my techniques either, I dont need anyones techniques even if they are free. (no offense)

The technique is two sided. It is used to make your OBE super clear and much longer as well as do other things DURING an OBE.

It also can dive you INTO OBE. Where your mind becomes completely clear of thoughts, sensations and feelings. Infact after you do my techniques you dont even "want" or "try" to get an OBE you attain pure nothingness. Then very short after, you LD then transition into OBE. Or you can go straight to OBE without the LD. It varies.

Im getting lots of messages from AIM from people asking for my binaural beats, and that is annoying, so plz stop.

I would prefer to just help you guys with your own techniques.
Just sumbit your techniques and I will see what I can do to help you better use or modify them.

[Antranik]

You know acidmax, you have to do things with good intentions and help others out whenever you know you can.  Sharing your techniques for example can do nothing but help those people that it works for.  There is no advantage to keeping things to oneself like that, nobody is ever at a higher rank of any sort for these things, "competition" is so petty it is only a waste of time to hold back things.  Now I might not change your mind but I want you to know that everything you do to make your OBE of a higher quality, may also help a few others the way it did for you and there is no harm done there.  Doing the reverse and stating the obvious (the-dawg not having an OBE) does absolutely nothing but project a lack of harmony and downright unnecessary conflict.

The-dawg: I am sorry for throwing the subject off further but I only want to show people like acidmax that there is no need to hold back things (as if to be better than others) and nothing is ever gained by putting others down during their development.

[acidmax120]

Exactly that is why I want them to sumbit their techniques and I can help them modify it, if it may be ineffective. I told him a direct answer to his direct question which is "am I getting anywhere?"

[Tolvor]

Ah I see.  

Lost Motorist:  Hey, I'm on my way to town and seem to be lost.  Do you know the way?
Acid:  Yes I do, and I've made my own map.
Lost Motorist:  Great, how do I get there?
Acid:  Sorry, my directions my not be effective for you.
Lost Motorist:  I'm already lost.  I can't get more lost.  You can't point me in the right direction?
Acid:  Sorry, no.  You'll understand when you are as wise and unlost as I am.
Lost Motorist:  Correct me if I'm wrong, didn't you base your map on other people's map?
Acid:  Yep.  But my map is special and super secret.
Lost Motorist:  Can you give me ANY help?
Acid:  Certainly.  You tell me how you would get to town, and I'll add a few suggestions at the end of it.
Lost Motorist:  Riiight.  I guess I'll head east then.
Acid:  Why east?
Lost Motorist:  Going east I have a 1 in 4 chance of going in the right direction.  You are a 0 in 4 chance, and are wasting my time.

[coral1]

Hi Dawg

 Welcome to the forum!It sounds like you`re doing fine.My advice is to practice whatever relaxation technique works best for you.It takes some practice to reach the mind awake-body asleep state. One thing to avoid is thinking about physical sensations.Try a bunch of different things and find out what works best for you.Achieving these altered states isn`t a race so take your time and have fun!

Happy Trails

[Robert7365]

ok, it is off subject, but if someone here has had an obe, then they probably can give me a tip. I was at school, and I was gazing at a blue binder, I saw a yellow aura around it, although it was faint. later that day, I looked at someone in my class, and around them, although I couldn't distinguish a color, I saw a blur around them, did I see a part of a human aura?
P.S. don't get to strict, this is my first post [xx(]

[the-dawg]

I bought RB's book on Astral Dynamics about a week ago and i've got to the 4th section on exit and projection techniques.  I've been trying to obtain the mind awake/body asleep state, but not quite sure if i'm getting anywhere or not.  Last night i tried it sitting in a chair and imagining myself, leaving my body and walking to out the door and off to work, after about half and hour or so i started getting a numbness kind of feeling over my body, then about a minute or so into the these i got neck cramp so it broke my concentration and gave up.  When i opened my eyes and after i sort of felt strange and fuzzy for a few minutes, then back to normal.

Just now i tried lying down in my bed with only a lamp on, for a little light.  Again after about half an hour or so i started getting the numbness feeling again, then i started getting hundreds of little spots moving in my brow area and then started feeling like my body was bouncing up and down all over.  It started gently at first then started getting a little faster, before completely slowing down to a stop.

Any ideas?